Anakin has a clear motive, and a logical progression from naive to evil.

Danny just decides to lose her shit one day.

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    It’s like a hurdles race for toddlers. Its literally just a bar on the ground to hop over, and they still sometimes fail.

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    Anakin has a clear motive, and a logical progression from naive to evil.

    …did he, though?

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      Anakin did not like sand, so therefore he had to kill all the younglings to win Padme’s love. It’s a very clear yet compelling character arc.

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      I’d say so

      • plucked from poverty and slavery, despite his mother remaining helpless, by a Jedi that was a part of an order that ultimately saw him as an unscrupulous means to an end of maintaining their power

      • he felt as though he could make a bigger difference than he was allowed if stated order relinquished their attempt at controlling him

      • this feeling was vindicated by his mother’s torture and subsequent death

      • had his previously instilled beliefs challenged by two men he respected

      • incredibly strong motivation to go against the Jedi’s wishes to save the one person he valued more than life itself

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      I mean… I’m not saying that either one of them is good.

      The prequels are hot garbage start to finish. But at least the ending makes narrative sense, if you squint and look at it sideways.

      There’s just no way to look at the last season and make it make sense.

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    Star Wars is a simplistic naive story where every single character is either good or evil. There’s no character complexity whatsoever. The main reason the original trilogy was so successful is because they were very well made movies made in a time when well made movies hadn’t even been done yet. Star Wars raised the bar of how good a movie should look and feel. But the story is trash.

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      The main reason the original trilogy was so successful is because they were very well made movies made in a time when well made movies hadn’t even been done yet.

      That’s certainly a take…

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    I will never not read D and D as Dungeons and Dragons, so this was highly confusing to me at first 😂

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      they think shocking effect just for the sake of shocking is great, and always works for GoT.

      NOPE.

      Dany the compassionate and kind, snapped just in 1 episode to become his father, burrrn them all.

      Jaime whole character arc become waste that he came back to Cersei after post nut clarity with Briene.

      Jon Snow, the Ice and Fire, the prince who was promised, Azor Ahai, simping for muhh qweeen, yells at zombie dragon, while Arya stab the big bad Night King like it was just random villain.

      Varys, Littlefinger, and Tyrion, those who always playing 4D chess, become so dumb that it hard to watch.

      and the most shocking of all: “and who has a better story than Bran the Broken?” like what the fuck man, I thought Bran story become much sinister and dark that he is the Bran of All Time (Bran the Builder, Bran that become Night King, and other Bran, etc). Like, also why bother create a story about the connection between him (as three eyed raven) and the Night King, psychic bond between them when he wargs, etc. and no, it’s just “Westeros now are adopting Democracy, and Bran is the leader choosen by the council” thing.

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    You mean it’s better than this legendarily shit thing? You don’t say?

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    Clone Wars did a great job portraying Anakin’s gradual slide. There was nuance and plenty of exposure of the good parts of his character. His friendship with Obi-Wan was in evidence. His relationship with Padme was believable.

    The fact that post-pubescent prequel-Anakin was ever trusted by anyone is at best evidence of how the dark side clouds perception.

    In the prequels, from EPII he continuously felt like someone who should clearly be a Sith being shoehorned into being a Jedi. His friendship with Obi-Wan existed in name only, and his “romance” with Padme was in fact not a better romance than Twilight. (And that’s saying something.)

    OG fans waited decades to see Vader’s backstory, and what we got was about the least rewarding most hamfisted and uninteresting portrayal of that backstory that could have been achieved. Decades of fan appetite regarding that backstory, possibly the only time such a thing has been maintained in the history of cinema, or likely will be again, and Lucas gave us Jar-Jar, cringe dialog, limp acting, and endless CGI.

    D&D royally fucked up with GoT, but using the prequels to shine a light on that reads like something from The Onion.

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    Danerys going crazy should have been set up YEARS in advance. She spends the first 7 seasons doing everything she can to avoid needless suffering and talking about how she’s going to “break the wheel.”

    Then, over the course of only 3-4 episodes in Season 8, D & D flip her switch from “good” to “evil” like the Krusty the Clown doll and she slaughters an entire city. This is not “character growth.” This contradicts everything we’ve been shown about her character.

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      If they were extremely accomplished at one thing, it was throwing away almost a decade worth of character and story development for basically every surviving character in the show, which is honestly impressive

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      Honestly a huge amount of people overlooked the red flags with Danerys, because reasons. The final flip to full on crazy was poorly done, but there was a history of violent and cruel outbursts.

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        Let Kahl Drogo violently kill her brother. Burned Mirri Maaz Durr alive. Crucified the slave masters of Meereen. Burned the horse lords alive.

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        True but each of those times her violent outburst felt grounded. Character A does a very bad thing to Danerys, and she reacts. It made sense to her character. Kings landing didn’t, because the people of Kings Landing cheered her arrival. Cersci was not popular and about to fall anyway, Danerys could have had what she wanted, Westeros and the love of the people.

        To make her turn work Cersci needed to fall before Danerys got to Westeros and someone likable is on the Iron throne. Now the people want to hold onto their new monarch who saved them from Cersci or have Cersci turn likable. She had a rough start but through experience becomes a good leader only to have Denarys dethrone her. Something other than RING THE BELLS.

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          It only feels grounded because you get her pov and the other side is obviously bad (according to her), so they totally deserved it. She showed up to several cities, murdered the fuck out of them, took what she wanted and left. Yes the turn to full on evil was handled poorly, but all the signs were there before hand. Tyrion’s speech after the fact said as much.