Israel’s military has informed the United Nations that the entire population of northern Gaza should relocate to the southern half of the territory within 24 hours, the U.N. spokesman, Stéphane Dujarric, said late on Thursday night, adding that such a movement — involving over one million people — would lead to “devastating humanitarian consequences.”
“The same order applied to all U.N. staff and those sheltered in U.N. facilities — including schools, health centers and clinics,” Mr. Dujarric said.
The U.N. was told that the marker dividing the north from south was Wadi Gaza, the statement said.
The U.N. Security Council is scheduled to hold an emergency meeting on Friday afternoon in a closed consultation format
Friendly reminder that Israel doesn’t really mind bombing “safe routes”
If anyone else getting worried about WW3?
America is going to be split in 2 conflicts. Now is the perfect time for China, North Korea, and any other enemies to make advances on territory they want.
Someone needs to stop these vile fucks. Israel is going to kill millions if left unopposed.
Removed by mod
Right. Killing thousands of civilians just to resolve a conflict that was escalated for some reason from both sides.
There’s only one noble side to be on in this, and that’s the side of civilians and humanitarians.
If you’re ever on the side of someone who is killing civilians, your brain made a left turn somewhere and your side is probably just as valid as the extremists on the other side.
Think about it. The only thing separating you from being the same monster you accuse those other ppl to be is being born on a different clump of earth.
Don’t forget there’s a lot of civilians in that 1million+ people.
And given that the average age in Gaza is 18 with 65% being under 24, that’s a lot of children as well.
Genocide is bad.
Genocide is bad.
Sure I feel sorry for the civilians but I am not going to support terrorists and none of this would’ve happened if it weren’t for Hamas
Still not the fault of the civilians nor is it justified in any way.
It sure is justified “in any way”. Not being justified at all would’ve looked like this:
- Palestinians do nothing
- Israel attacks
We all know this is not how it went down.
As far as I’m concerned the vast majority of the population (considering that over half is quite literally 18 years old and younger) did not do anything. Palestine =/ Hamas.
Is giving civilians a warning to move south somehow not justified? Would you rather have them massacred with no warning?
Well yea I’m glad there was at least some sort of warning, but how do you move over 1million people in 24 hours and where? But how does telling civilians to basically leave their homes to be destroyed justified? First they cut off necessities of life now they’re telling them to get lost.
it was always the plan at one time or another.
there is method to their provocation.
You don’t feel sorry for them you asshole. You just posted that it was a good thing they died up above.
I think your rationality is lost on a fascist
muh everyone who disagrees with me is a fascist
http://booru.soy/_images/901e991aaa724028a3c3421f9628f28a/52901%20-%20SoyBooru.jpg
People who openly applaud genocide are probably a tad bit fashy.
What’s wrong with you?
Yikes.
Where are the NGOs with boats in order to bring them to Europe?
Most likely blockaded by the Israeli Navy. Gaza is being isolated and besieged right now, that includes the coast. And yes, I notice the racist dog whistle you’re throwing. But this is not the place to bring this kind of passive-aggresive arguments.
Absolute madness.
Last 3 times they told people to move they bombed the destination. I’d stay put
Almost like they’re concentrating them in some sort of encampment
Hey what can I search to find this?
Disgusting. These people had nothing to do with the attack. The actions of a few do not justify the wholesale slaughter of a nation.
Not condoning any cruelty, but Hamas had like 70% support in Gaza
Nice to hear a balanced view - thank you!
Imagine if some proud boys from the US were attacking Canadian civilians, after Canada has been occasionally striking the US and being quite excessive in its use of force.
Then one day Mexico warns Canada that the proud boys might strike this location this week, so Canada pulls its security and guards, the proud boys attack, Canada loudly yells to everyone in the world “OH NO CANADA IS ATTACKING ME DO YOU GUYS SEE THIS SHIT?”
And then Canada proceeds to bomb the absolute fuck out of EVERY city within 10 miles of the border. And then the refugees that are leaving the cities. And then telling them “hey we promise we won’t bomb you if you go this route” and then bomb that route. And sends troops into refugee camps in order to decide who is suddenly a proud boy…
The world, as usual when it comes to Israel though, completely loses its minds.
It’s like everyone is so afraid of being seen as a nazi, they won’t aim even the tiniest criticism toward a government/military. It strikes me as profoundly racist to conflate every Jewish person with the government of Israel, or that somehow Israel represents all jews. Imagine if I suggested Kenya speaks for all black people…
It’s like everyone is so afraid of being seen as a nazi
You got it backwards. It’s not that they are afraid, it’s that every Nazi thing you do becomes unimportant if you support Israel and yell “look, I’m not a Nazi, because I support Israel”.
That’s a huge, huge stimulus for support. Now if you’ve done Nazi things, Israel is your salvation. And if you haven’t done Nazi things cause you’re afraid, just get friendly with Israel.
They are basically selling modern day’s indulgences.
And Israel, of course, endorses that via its puppet diasporan organizations and their moves like “anything but Holocaust is not a genocide, and if you don’t agree, you’re a Nazi” or “you can’t be Nazi if you’re Jewish” and, of course, “if you don’t support Israel, you are not Jewish”.
There’s no use in analogising such a complex situation, it utterly fails to capture the situation or the context. You’re also welcome to theorise whether or not Israel deliberately sought the deaths of 2000 citizens just to cleanse Gaza but that’s a massive claim for someone not privy to classified knowledge.
You’re also welcome to theorise whether or not Israel deliberately sought the deaths of 2000 citizens just to cleanse Gaza but that’s a massive claim for someone not privy to classified knowledge.
Whether it sought that or not, it was awfully unprepared for the attack itself, but amazingly well prepared for all the followup military, diplomatic and propaganda actions. So I’m starting to think this is not a conspiracy theory.
Crazy that’s a country only needs a little time to mobilise when they’re a conscription based country. In the words of the IRA Israel only needs to miss once for Hamas to get an attack off. If all it takes for you to “start believing” something is a mere suggestion with no evidence then I have a bridge to sell you and about 90 conspiracy theories as well.
I’m not talking about mobilization, FFS.
In the words of the IRA Israel only needs to miss once for Hamas to get an attack off
What happened is not “missing once”.
Further you just imagined something and heroically defeated the fruit of your imagination, I’ll leave you to it.
Israel has conscription and it’s the size of New Jersey. It’s not hard for them to mobilize to whatever border they need to within hours.
Eh, it’s harder than you may think. I know they have a working system in place, but for most countries something of that scale is a problem not at all because of their size.
I’m not talking just about mobilization, rather about them quickly mounting the news on the massacre to justify their impending ground operation, and that operation itself being prepared so fast, and a whole US fleet with an aircraft carrier going to support them.
Just seems like something prepared beforehand, and it’s politics and diplomacy, so that wouldn’t really be a conspiracy theory, again. Maybe the massacre itself was unexpected, but the operation was planned, and the schedule was simply adjusted a bit because of this event.
This doesn’t make any damn sense. No one elected the proudboys to run the entire gov. The Palestinians did with Hamas. You’re acting like it’s a small group, when it’s not. A majority of Palestinians elected Hamas to represent them, and they support it.
Now you can have the debate of is Israel the cause and is this response equal or if this was all a setup to start the war, but don’t act like Hamas is a minority and the people don’t support them.
If I understand correctly, Hamas won their majority of parliamentary seats of Gaza’s government despite only having 1/3rd of the population casting votes for them.
Source: this YouTube video by Task & Purpose (just found this channel and this video covering the conflict over the last few days seems remarkably unemotional and mostly unbiased.)
https://youtu.be/lbSFJaFuWU0?si=ITFEngYEbsySW1nm&t=28m43s
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/lbSFJaFuWU0?si=ITFEngYEbsySW1nm&t=28m43s
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
I’ll try to stick to facts and not mix my opinions in:
- The area north of Wadi Gaza contains most of Gaza City, and several outlying neighborhoods.
- Best I can tell, the furthest point in the strip is 15km away from that line. Meaning this is requesting civilians to relocate by 5-20km within 24 hours.
- Hamas has built an extensive tunnel network underneath Gaza. These tunnels are constructed with reinforced concrete and are used to house both munitions and operational infrastructure.
- The US has transferred advanced munitions to Israel.
Now for my personal speculation:
- The advanced munitions are bunker busters.
- There is a significant risk of buildings collapsing due to the tunnels underneath being destroyed.
- The intent is to minimize civilian casualties both from the immediate airstrikes and from potential building collapse.
What makes them think the civilians can relocate within 24 hours but Hamas fighters can’t?
If we’re going with what the commenter above laid out, then even if Hamas fighters evacuate, their tunnels presumably get collapsed.
Also, I think that might actually be why they gave such a tight deadline. If there isn’t enough time for everyone to get out, will Hamas manage to escape, that sort of thing.
God I hate all of this.
I’d guess Hamas would be better organized to escape at short notice than the civilian population. And they seem like the kinds of guys who would prioritize themselves.
White phosphorus grenades were used by the US in Vietnam to destroy Viet Cong tunnel complexes as they would burn up all oxygen and suffocate the enemy soldiers sheltering inside.
The advanced munitions are almost certainly not white phosphorus. Israel already has M258A1 munitions and has had them for a very long time.
Far more likely they are bunker busters intended to destroy underground facilities constructed from reinforced concrete.
In Gaza? What?
I believe that’s considered a war crime these days. Someone correct me if that’s wrong.
Haven’t you gotten the memo? Nothing is a war crime when the “good guy” does it.
you can’t call something a crime if you have no capacity to enforce it.
it’s just words otherwise
IDF rules of engagement prohibit the use of WP for non smoke purposes. They have court martialed soldiers in the past for intentionally using WP in that manner.
So yes, this is a crime. It also means that it’s unlikely to happen at a large scale. I would be surprised if it doesn’t happen somewhat and there will for sure be accusations.
It should be, but it has been used numerous times in the Gaza strip.
That’s targeting the people inside the tunnel, not the tunnel itself. Since people are probably supposed to return to these areas eventually, I guess Israel would not consider it sufficient to clear the tunnels temporarily. They probably want to destroy them permanently.
With the city above the tunnels being collateral damage…
When the surviving civilian citizens return, they won’t have anything to return to.
I agree with all of this. The only thing I’d add is that there’s a high possibility of a ground incursion to ensure the destruction of the tunnels.
Given Hamas has no real relevant air defense, they’re just going to use bunker buster type munitions to collapse the tunnels (and the buildings that have entry points). At that point, they can send in ground units to finish. Hamas also has no ground-fighting capability versus armor or artillery, and will be relegated to house-to-house against an enemy that can just call in an artillery or air strike. Hamas also has no path of resupply. It’s pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point.
If they’re playing it smart, Israel wil let the ICRC and other aid groups in as soon as they’ve cleared an area and it’s safe for NGOs to conduct aid.
In terms of long term strategy, Israel will need to do more than simply allow NGOs in to conduct aid. Any power vacuum can be dangerous, and giving direct aid will help minimize the chances that a more violent group than Hamas will sieze the opportunity.
Important note to those unfamiliar with the geography when reading this: the part of the Gaza Strip they want evacuated includes the entirety of Gaza City, the most populated city of the Gaza Strip. They are ordering the migration of 1.1 million people into smaller towns and cities to the south, to empty Gaza City. In 24 hours. This would be disastrous even if it was possible. But there are countless factors making it not possible for people to just pick up and leave, much less in 24 hours, including that the primary hospital of the entire Gaza Strip is in the evacuation area, and is full of injured victims of the bombings the IDF has already undertaken. They have also bombed the caravan on primary roadway people are taking out of the city, according to several news sources
While the Demographia report found Gaza City isn’t as packed as the world’s most dense cities, including Dhaka, Bangladesh, which has over 80,000 people per square mile, it’s more crowded than global cities, such as London, and three times more dense than Los Angeles, the most population-dense area in the US, according to the report.
They’re telling 1.1 Million people to move in 24hours in an area more dense than LA or London. In an area without power, fuel, or food.
They know it can’t be done and they don’t care. The rhetoric coming out of their government is pure genocide talk. One of the military guys got furious that anyone cared about Palestinian civilians.
I hope the US doesn’t support this or stay silent. We need to have the balls to stand up to allies when they’re in the wrong. The world said “not again” to the holocaust and now regularly looks the other way, and it’s time countries stop letting this shit happen.
Never again! Except for Tibetans, Uyghurs, First Nations in boarding schools/their forced sterilization, the Khmer Rouge, Pakistan/India/Bangladesh, North Korea, Rwanda, all the genocides by the Soviets, Bosnia…
Hundreds of millions of lives ended prematurely…
I agree with the overall sentiment, but some of these mentions are not accurate and imo devalues the importance of such important accusations (e.g. since when was NK genociding anyone?)
They run camps that are comparable to the Jewish camps during WW2, the only difference being that they’re doing it to themselves…
Evidence? Beyond “A guy said that a guy said that…”
Time for a genocide. And no one’s going to stop them. Fucking hell.
Some of my friends have suggested that there might not be a Gaza to fight for independence for in a few years. I didn’t believe them, but now it definitely looks more possible…
And who’s fault is that? Hamas gave Israel the perfect excuse to do so and with good enough PR.
A tiny group within a population of over 2 million.
Honestly what the fuck are comments like this supposed to mean? You think they deserve to be slaughtered, down to the last child, because of what a small extremist group form the same region did? You know half the people in Gaza are under 18?
Do you think they all voted for this? Hamas took control after netanyahu created and funded them to destabilize the Gaza strip, this is a known fact that they’ve basically admitted. He made sure they were the only governing body that could e, ist so they could excuse anything they wanted to do to the gazans they keep in an open-air prison.
I hope the FBI or whatever the equivalent in your country is keeps pro-genocide people like you on a watch list.
59% of the “innocent” civilians supports Hamas.
You’re in favor of genocide for people supporting Hamas? Give your head a fucking shake.
No, I’m just saying a two state solution is clearly no longer posible and Israel warned them to leave.
No, you said, “59% of the “innocent” civilians supports Hamas.”
The scare quotes around the word innocent imply you think they’re not innocent.
Israel has to defeat Hamas decisively - there is no alternative.
And quit shitting only on Israel for the current situation of Gaza and Westbank. Arafat walked away from a Palestinian state in 2000 and chose terror instead. The continued terror attacks CREATED the awful living conditions in Gaza.
They are going to try and push them into Egypt and take it all.
They really can’t, though. They’d have to give up their cheap, oppressed labor force. Unless they’ve finally decided to do that, which would be a real change in their position. They’re just going to keep squeezing.
If Israel wanted Gaza they would have taken it years ago or never left in the first place.
Removed by mod
Your scenario doesn’t line up. Ukraine has deliberately gone out of its way to avoid civilian casualties, avoid even the appearance of a civilian casualties, avoid bombing anything that looks remotely like a civilian target.
In your scenario it would be more akin to Russia invading Ukraine, and the NATO wins militarily, pushes the entire Russian population into the Saint Petersburg b Metro area, then bombs buildings because since everyone is in Saint Petersburg so are the soldiers.
