It’s not genocide, it’s self-defense /s
Why the /s ?
It’s war. War has unfortunate and unavoidable casualties. Israel didn’t choose this war and has done everything it can to avoid it. Including pulling out unilaterally from the entire Gaza Strip in 2005.
The Palestinians were left to govern themselves and elected Hamas. Hamas has received hundreds of millions of dollars in aid from all over the world, including Israel. Israel supplied water, electricity, gas, fuel and work permits in Israel. Yet, instead of Hamas choosing to build civilian infrastructure and help the Palestinians, the leaders embezzled millions and the cose to build rockets and terrorism infrastructure and pay terrorist salaries.
Israel stood by and watched the world turn a blind eye, again and again, to rockets being fired i to civilian populations. Name one country that would allow that to happen to them and wouldn’t retaliate. We’re done with the so-called “proportionate responses”. What is the proportionate response to decapitated babies? To butchered toddlers? To kidnap and rape, and abduction of the elderly? There is no peace to be made with an organization that lives up to it’s charter claiming its intentions to kill you. Israel and the Jewish people swore that the holocaust would never happen again.
Never again means never again.
Hamas is ISIS and needs to be eradicated.
Fuck off. 50% of the people in gaza are minors. Minors israel keeps killing. Israel has done nothing to prevent escalation. They steal more and more land and shoot people from the safety of their walls. Both sides in this conflict, the Israel government and Hamas are the exact same level of inhuman.
Consider reading or listening to this on the question of moral equivalence:
Israel has done nothing to prevent escalation.
And what exactly hamas did to prevent escalation?
They steal more and more land and shoot people from the safety of their walls.
When did that happen last time?
The Jews took never again and turned it to we do it first. This isn’t war it’s extermination.
Hamas is ISIS and needs to be eradicated.
modern day nazi propaganda
Glad we’re able to see it for what it is.
It looks like reddit is overtaken by zionist propaganda. Most of the upvoted posts on /r/worldnews are cheering for the murder of children.
Israel already killed more kids, on top of all the kids they killed this year, and they’re still killing more.
Nobody over there cares. I think that site is done.
With how reddit told the blind community to sit on it and spin I’m not surprised it became a cesspool
Israel didn’t choose this war
Riiiight… Palestinians “chose” this war by not blinking out of existence as soon as Europeans initiated a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project on the land the Palestinians happened to be living on.
Riiiiight.
This is an absurd exaggeration of the reality of the situation. This did not become a genocidal/apartheid situation until after 1948. There was an opportunity for peace in the UN partition plan, which would have required no one to “blink out of existence”.
This is an absurd exaggeration of the reality of the situation.
No, the absurd exaggerations all belong to you and yours… the very idea of Israel was genocidal and white supremacist right off the bat - no different than any other white supremacist settler-colonialist project throughout the history of “western civilization.” That is what Israel is a product of - it has never been anything else. It was born from the exact same ideologies that gave us the Belgian Congo, the white supremacist genocides in the Americas and the mass-slaughter of peoples in the Soviet Union for “lebensraum” during WW2.
And you and people like you are here for it, it seems.
What exactly do you mean by “you and yours” there buddy? Your view is simply ahistorical. Zionism differs from other forms of European nationalism in that it was not primarily motivated by supremacist rationalizations, but by the desire for safety. Intent is important. Today, I agree; Israeli treatment of Palestinians is clearly apartheid, and many Israeli actions are clearly genocidal under the UN definition. The further back into history you go, the less clear the situation gets, though, and is more accurately seen as a conflict between two nationalist movements in the wake of the Ottoman Empire’s collapse wherein hard-line elements on both sides stoked conflict. There was a great amount of mutual respect and acceptance of Zionism among Arab leaders prior to the 1920s. I’d suggest you look up the Faisal-Weizmann agreement. The current conflict is a product of British mismanagement of Mandatory Palestine, and the initial failure of diplomacy in the face of racist, nationalist sentiments of BOTH Arabs and Zionist Jews.
“you and yours”
Oh, sorry… did I not make myself clear? You and yours refers to apologists for white supremacist settler-colonialism. Did that clear it up?
but by the desire for safety.
Bullcrap… I guess you didn’t know that Christian Zionism predates Jewish Zionism, did you? Do tell, genius - was the original Zionists motivated by some (alleged) “desire for safety” or were they motivated by bog-standard western antisemitism?
Spoiler alert - it’s not the former.
Today, I agree; Israeli treatment of Palestinians is clearly apartheid,
No - it isn’t. Comparing Israel to Apartheid-South Africa is actually softballing it. The Apartheid-regime could only dream of doing the stuff Israel does on a regular basis and getting away with it. If the Apartheid-regime had treated Soweto the way Israel treats Gaza the Apartheid-regime’s end would have come a whole lot sooner. It would have been a whole lot bloodier, too.
The current conflict is a product of British mismanagement of Mandatory Palestine
Again… bullcrap. I can literally google Ben-Gurion and produce a laundry list of his quotes that demolishes your argument - the white supremacist settler-colonialist state the Zionists wanted (both Christian and Jewish) was planned as a white supremacist settler-colonialist state right from the start. Birtish colonial mismanagement was only a temporary obstacle for them… that is it.
Bullcrap… I guess you didn’t know that Christian Zionism predates Jewish Zionism, did you?
It doesn’t. The religious-academic roots of Zionism in both religions go way back. Jews were resettling from Europe to Ottoman Palestine in proto-Zionist migration as early as the 1500s.
No - it isn’t. Comparing Israel to Apartheid-South Africa is actually softballing it.
Well, then you should try reading the second part of that sentence before you have a heart attack from being so triggered.
I can literally google Ben-Gurion and produce a laundry list of his quotes that demolishes your argument
Yes, Ben Gurion is one of those hard-liners who is responsible for the deterioration of Arab-Jewish relations in the 1920s. I wouldn’t go so far as to say his views represented the whole of Zionism prior to or during WWI. The situation was salvageable until Britain gave up.
As a father of a soon-to-be-4-year-old, that picture tears me up inside. I can’t fathom losing my son, especially not in this way. That goes for both sides of this fucking terrible thing.
Children. Are. Not. Acceptable. Collateral. Damage.
This is the exact intention of this picture though. Hamas is notorious for staging photos and videos like this. You shouldn’t trust terrorists.
Remove all context from that photo. That’s what I see. Whether staged or not, children on both sides are experiencing these things. Once you become a parent, providing you wanted to be one intentionally, you see all children, not just your own, as innocence and any perception of grief for the loss of that child as personally identifiable and deeply felt. We, as a species and society, have lost our humanity if we look at a picture like that, no matter the context, and don’t immediately feel sadness for the known innocence lost.
I say this unironically, but I pity you.
No need to lose humanity. But its better to not allow terrorist play with or use it to their advantage.
That’s where we differ. It’s our cold indifference, or our insufferable need to justify or define our world, that drives us to conclude that, “sure, the picture is sad, but what if this photo is staged to garner sympathy for terrorists.” To me, I don’t have to believe anything about the context to know how distraught I’d be as a parent in that situation. I don’t need to know if it is or isn’t doctored to gain support, be it for the state of Israel or Hamas.
I see a man, could be a father, could be a stock photo (it matters not), holding a child (or large sweet potato for all I know) wrapped in cloth, and I’m moved to tears because I can put myself in that place, in that moment, in that grief. I can acknowledge that the photo I’m seeing may not be legitimate, but that doesn’t make it less likely to represent real fathers mourning the loss of their child and how I would feel in that moment; how absolutely devastated I would be; how I wish for all of it to end.
That’s empathy, my friend. It doesn’t see sides. It doesn’t push agendas. I can feel that empathy strongly, mourn with that man intensely, and grieve with the very real fathers who have had to bury their innocence, whether this photo is real or not.
I want you to know, I did not down-vote your comment(s). I understand that this whole conflict, situation, and world sucks. All I can do is hope for a peaceful resolution while I hold my child for all the fathers who no longer can.
It doesn’t push agendas.
Maybe you mean it for yourself, but it doesn’t apply to everyone, see various protests after hamas dropped information about hospital bombing.
Like if there’s any doubt that children are among the victims of Israel im this very momemt. Some people have no shame.
These are victims of hamas and its actions in the first place. Israel’s attacks are not unprovoked. Even though it sucks to know people are dying, context is important to understand better why it happened and how similar stuff could be solved.
Yeah the context is Israel as an apartheid state. Forgot that part I guess… What’s really funny is the rethoric of Israel as the soirce of security for all Jews - only has been for decadea the biggest reason why Jews are attacked all around world.
The irony.So it’s apartheid state vs terrorist state?
Fuck it. Assume I agree Israel are bloody monsters who want to enslave everyone around. This doesn’t change my message to hamas: “stop building rockets, you idiots, whenever you use them you only get more Palestinians killed”.
I’m afraid you are greatly underestimating that assumption my dear.
Yeah… let’s trust these people instead.
Would you really like to exchange videos like that? I can drop you stuff with Palestinians being happy firing rockets, staging scenes for false victim reports etc.
In the end, it’s all about doing what’s better for your people or not, being terrorists or not. Hamas are very much below what anyone would call “adequate”. Israel is nothing like that.
Would you really like to exchange videos like that?
Do you have any videos showing a massively-funded, western-backed military machine bombing Israeli hospitals and refugee camps filled with Israeli people?
Sure… go ahead!
And do you have videos showing how firing rockets at Israel actually helped Palestinians achieve anything good?
This attack by Hamas has done a lot to widen the cracks appearing in the west’s pro-Israel propaganda effort - the fact that you are here trying (and failing) to patch the gigantic holes in that sinking propganda ship is proof.
If only there were some way Hamas could have predicted their actions would trigger a disproportionate response from Israel!
Excluding the last 500 times Hamas bombed Israel and got a disproportionate response, of course.
If there was only some way the world could have predicted that a genocidal white supremacist colonialist state would act like a genocidal white supremacist colonialist state.
If you want to do something get out on the streets. South African apartheid fell with the help of international pressure.
Also you can boycott israeli goods.
The BDSMovement has a great acronym
If only Saudi Arabia didn’t want a civilian nuclear program.
What am I talking about? Saudi Arabia was about to sign a defense agreement with the United States that would have allowed them to have a civilian nuclear program and enter into a defense pact with the United States. The only condition placed on Saudi Arabia was that they had to normalize relations with Israel. Iran didn’t like this, because they’re biggest competitor in the region was Saudi Arabia. If only there was a way to keep Saudi Arabia from normalizing relations with Israel. I wonder what Iran could have done to prevent that…
Convenient coincidence, but Qatar has been shoveling money towards Hamas for years
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Palestinian health officialsHamas.ftfy
This is simply disgusting and utterly unjustifiable. Yes a nation has the right to defend itself - when it’s under attack as it was by Hamas two weeks ago. Once the attack is over, going into Gaza and blatantly murdering people is no longer “defense,” it is sick and perverted retaliation - a chance for mentally ill men to go use their sick weapons to kill, hurt, maim, torture, destroy, wound, and obliterate. Give them weapons, men will always invent (completely erroneous) reasons to use them againt innocent civilians. SHAME AND DAMNATION ON EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS WAR.
Both men and women serve in the Israeli military.
Also quit making this about your virtue signaling. There’s real people suffering and you’re not the lone voice in the wind.
Join a war protest. Donate to Amnesty International. Get involved if you care to do more than shame people who will never read your posts while proclaiming on social media how virtuous you are.
Was going to let this slide. But once I saw you had posted twice in this thread, I couldn’t. For the sake of myself and everyone else that reads your comments.
Thanks
Wow I really pressed your buttons, and that was the entire aim of my post. Glad it got this reaction.
I don’t believe it. The tone was holier than thou. Not rage bait.
But if you’d prefer to be thought of as a troll, more power to you.
Better to be thought of as a troll than to be thought of as a belligerent asshole like yourself. Sorry, but that’s how you come across and you seem extremely unhappy. I hope things get better for you and you can’t quit being so small minded.
Yes a nation has the right to defend itself
Yes, let’s pretend a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project has the right to “defend” itself from the people it has actively sought to exterminate since 1949.
This isn’t a fucking game where you take turns.
Retaliatory actions that prevent the next attack ARE self defense.
“Once the attck is over” - gtfo of here with that shit. Like you can actually say, “Oh, they pressed pause. Let’s all go back home until they unpause”
I certainly pressed your buttons and I’m glad I did. You have a lot of problems, and that’s very evident. You might want to work on that quick to anger reflexive attitude.
If Israel wanted to end this they could. They’d get their hostages back and they’d get to mourn their dead.
Instead they immediately moved to starve millions of people to spite, what Wikipedia claims is (ie. a likely exaggerated) 20,000 Hamas members, of which Israel can only count one to be officially killed by their actions so far.
They’re now talking of a “final solution” for the “palestine problem”. Half are already homeless, trapped beside the border crossings that israel bombs if not to their liking. How long until Israel is either allowed to enact their “final solution” or instigates a regional conflict between countries trying to prevent that?
This is so fucking moronic is makes my head hurt. Simple question: why? Why do you in your brain think that Israel wants to do this? To what end? For what benefit to israel? What’s the motivation?
land?
Bahahahaa. Are you fucking serious?! Have you looked at the map?! There is a whole Negev desert right there! Bahahhahahaa. You’re a fucking moron.
A lot of ha’s in a thread underneath a picture of a bunch of dead kids. Maybe tone it down chucklefuck, simp for israel in a meme thread.
imagine being this guy lol
Real estate. Gaza is full of prime beachfront property. What exactly do you think the object of ethnic cleansing is?
That’s so fucking stupid. Israel is mostly beachfront. This is 14 miles of beach. If you honestly believe this, I really shouldn’t waste time replying.
But … look. Israel unilaterally left Gaza - uprooted Israeli settlements - took out all the army. Left. No army. No Israelis. No agreement either. Palestinian Authority was ruling Gaza at the time, so there was hope they’d self govern and build a better life for themselves - free of Israelis and IDF. You know what they did? They had the one and only election in the last 18 years and put Hamas in power. Hamas started shooting rockets at the Israeli towns surrounding Gaza in Israel. This has been escalating until the massacre 2 weeks ago.
Israel doesn’t want or need the land. Israel wants and needs peace. Go spend some time educating yourself.
That’s so fucking stupid.
The more I’m on the internet, the more I notice comments that start off like this are usually wrong and the poster is insecure.
Your arguments should be able to stand on their own merits. Insulting as though you’re already correct just makes you look weak and unsure of yourself.
As you get older, this becomes clearer.
Sounds more like you’re looking for any excuse to avoid having to engage and challenge his actual arguments.
You asked why and I gave you the answer in the simplest terms possible. You educate yourself. European colonizers have spent the last 500 years destroying people around the world. We have an idea of what this shit looks like by now.
Except Israelis are not European colonizers. They’ve been there as long as the Arabs and many Muslim recognize that.
This is so fucking moronic is makes my head hurt.
The more I’m on the internet, the more I notice comments that start off like this are usually wrong and the poster is insecure.
You didn’t answer my question.
You linked to an opinion piece. So, not your opinion, some else’s? Nice critical thinking.
And you are aware there is now a national unity government in place. Regardless of what Netanyahu may or may not want, this is a coalition government that is making decisions.
Dude Israel is run by religious extremists. If they gave a fuck about peace they wouldn’t have sabotaged every attempt at a peace deal with Palestine.
If they didn’t want to wipe out Palestinians they wouldn’t support and protect illegal settlers.
The motivation of right wing Israelis has been clear from the very beginning. They believe that land belongs to one religious group only and they won’t stop until that belief is fully realized.
Hamas could end the suffering if they cared about Palestinians, by surrendering.
Did Israel catch up to killing innocent people like Hamas did yet?
*Guess Isreal is winning while the innocent loose
According to hamas, basically.
Any israelis or palestinians who engage in this war, for terrorist reasons, retaliation, or just for the sick thrill they get from killing children, is a total monster and to blame in every way with no exception. And all who participate, will burn in hell for the rest of eternity without exception and in every possible way. I am a lone voice screaming the horror of this war mentality into the wind. War is not a justifiable response to ANYTHING. And it never can be. But most especially, it cannot be justified by any group claiming to have any actual religious ideals of any kind.
6/10 - like the drama you put into it but I think overall there is not enough Iam14AndThisIsDeep.
Yeah, seems like the kind of thing that would be upvoted way more on reddit.
