I can’t see Palestine ever accepting a 2SS. What do you think “from the river to the sea” means? The US knows this very well, so they’re happy to prop up Israel in a peaceful sounding way that is fully untenable. Maybe some sort of federated solution could be possible, but I’ve got my doubts there too. Either way, both states would need to compromise for any realistic possibility of peace.
tl;dr: shit’s fucked beyond repair :S
It’s two-sided. Israel also does not want a functioning Palestinian state that isn’t under Israeli domination. Just look at how they treat the West Bank.
I’d argue it’s the perfect case for a no-state solution. Multiple faith groups have history in the region, they should rally around that and preserving it instead of some colonialist military state that’s practically a U.S outpost in all but name. But blind dogma is rarely conducive to peace I guess.
How is a non-state supposed to defend itself from people who want to make it their state?
Militia, diplomacy, blackmail, molotovs… Imagination is the limit. Ideally the second and third I suppose.
Responses like these that so confidently state obviously incorrect information/poor perspectives really remind me of answers generated by AI. Things that appear syntactically correct, but at the same time are bizarrely illogical.
Thanks, GONADS125. Totally can’t say the same about your post. Not one bit. Maybe I was a little unserious there but I mean what I say lol. I’m a anarchist, I honestly think any given government has a vested interest in fucking over their people. And a lot of Israelites don’t seem to support their own government’s actions as of late. People can sometimes solve problems as individuals, just look at netanyhu or trump- we see they can certainly cause them.
If you’re going to call yourself an anarchist you need to have a serious answer to that question or you make your cause look like a joke.
edit: your takes on prohibition are on point though
If you form a militia you’re halfway to reinventing a state, but without even a pretense of accountability to the citizenry—basically what Hamas is.
If you want diplomacy to work, you have to 100% re-invent the state, because nobody will negotiate with a self-appointed “diplomat” who can’t guarantee the people they claim to represent will abide by the agreements they make. Now you’re talking about something like the Palestinian Authority.
Your other options are ways to make life hard on occupiers, which means you’ve already lost, like people in Iraq or Afghanistan. You’ll note that neither territory is currently without a government, and the one that “won” the occupation by driving out the invaders has an especially brutal government. And in both cases a shitload of people died before the invaders left.
2 states are unviable. There needs to be one inclusive state for all people of the region with serious reparations for the Palestinian people. Dual citizenship if people want it and 2 official langauges.
Peace is the only way forward. It happened in South Africa and Northern Ireland. It can happen.
https://www.theleftberlin.com/why-the-two-state-solution-for-palestine-is-impossible/
It’ll never happen. Israel will never allow the possibility for a non-Jewish majority to coalesce and take over the government.
And I don’t see hardcore al-Islamiyyun living side by side with jews. This would be a powder keg right from the get go, just look at how they treat each other for years now.
Same goes for Kahanites. Fascists on both sides will have to be taken care of.
A Belgian model might work. Two or for completeness’ sake three (Christians) federal entities, joint army, separate police forces, give municipalities the right to switch who they belong to by 2/3rd majority. Jerusalem becomes federal territory.
I feel like Biden just keep repeating the talking points that worked for Clinton in the 1990s and being confused why progressives today don’t take him seriously. He’s better than the other guy by a long shot but his policies are decades old.
Okay, so if a two-state plan is the “old” policy solution what is the new, progressive one?
Admit that the project of establishing a democratic Jewish state has failed, and try to salvage a democratic state out of the rubble.
One Palestinian state and Israel can fuck off to wherever seems to be popular on lemmy.
This issue will fuck him next November.
I propose a no-state solution: Depopulate the area, then seed it with Caesium-135. Area becomes unlivable, and thereby peaceful.
chaotic!
what’s some more solutions for the worlds problems?
I think Mr Burns had some pretty good ideas.
Netanyahu has made a two state solution impossible. There are 500,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank who would violently oppose being removed.
Well, Hamas specifically has rejected a 2 state solution twice in recent history. Their official stance is to not negotiate for it and instead kill all jews and end the state of Israel. There’s no chance at peace til Hamas is gone, rightwing Israeli government is gone, and Iran’s nutjob religious class no longer control the state and export its cancer around the world.
But the Palestinian Authority hasn’t. It has, specifically, called for it.
Is this war against Hamas or Palestinians?
That’s the thing though, if Hamas have an approval rate above 50% isn’t it getting awfully close to a disorganized government and it’s people that’s engaging in a full scale war? It’s hard to say the war is against a terrorist group when the group is backed by a strong majority of the population that supports their actions.
I agree. When any group of people support something bad by 50% ten years ago it’s okay to kill them all.
100%. The Palestine territories are more like a handful of islands at this point, not a contiguous space.
Just look at this map, and look at how integrated the populations are.
A two-state solution is not viable, not anymore, they have to figure out how to live in peace together. And that means integrating into one country, no more apartheid, equal rights, freedom of religion, the end of the ethno state, the end of the theocratic state.
Upon some reflection, I suspect when politicans are talking about two State solutions today, they don’t mean independent countries, they mean Bantustans … Which isn’t going to solve anything, nobody’s going to be happy with this
Bantustans is exactly right. They want to enact the South African apartheid model.
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