• dumdum666@kbin.social
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    To all the commentators that obviously know better how to act in a war:

    How should Israel act to defend its citizens from the ongoing attacks? How should Israel act, so that Hamas will never be able to harm civilians again?

    And don’t tell us what you DON‘T want, tell us what you DO want.

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      This is the fallacy that America had with black gangs. They think gangs are the problem and the problem needs to be removed.

      The reality is that gangs are a solution to problems, such as wealth inequality, racism, violence.

      The solution to Hamas is to remove the conditions that made them necessary, which are apartheid, violence, forcible eviction, wealth inequality.

      However, Israel’s goals are the ethnic cleansing of the area, so this will never work for them. Talks of peace a tool of distraction. If this is not true, then they will return to the 1948 borders, which would make a viable Palestinian and Israeli state. But they’ll, make bullshit excuses of why that’s not possible.

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        This is the fallacy that America had with black gangs. They think gangs are the problem and the problem needs to be removed.

        The reality is that gangs are a solution to problems, such as wealth inequality, racism, violence.

        The solution to Hamas is to remove the conditions that made them necessary, which are apartheid, violence, forcible eviction, wealth inequality.

        So you are saying the Islamic State / IS / Daesh was also the product of „conditions that made them necessary“?

        However, Israel’s goals are the ethnic cleansing of the area, so this will never work for them. Talks of peace a tool of distraction. If this is not true, then they will return to the 1948 borders, which would make a viable Palestinian and Israeli state. But they’ll, make bullshit excuses of why that’s not possible.

        Do you know that the Palestinian authorities have denied EVERY attempt of a two state solution since 1948? Why would „they“ now accept borders, they have categorically denied before?

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          “they have denied every attempt at two state solution”

          Usual Israeli propaganda to continue the victimhood facade. Israel takes a shit on what a two-state solution should look like, of course the Arabs will bloody reject it.

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          Do you know that the Palestinian authorities have denied EVERY attempt of a two state solution since 1948? Why would „they“ now accept borders, they have categorically denied before?

          Did they? Or is it Netanyahu? Palestinian Authority had repeatedly demand for the 1948 border to be respected, and evict all the violent illegal settler from the west bank, and Israel repeatedly refused.

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    so that means they dont need to murder innocents anymore right??

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      Almost like Hamas is systematically using civilians as human shields.

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        The last dude was found hiding in a refugee camp. His decision to hide there doomed others in the camp. They do it on purpose because one side will sometimes play by the rules. Terrorists exploit that.

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          Yep, they have been doing this for decades.

          It’s almost a win-win for them. Either they avoid getting bombed … or they don’t but they get to play the victim card and point the finger at Israel. That’s literally their playbook.

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            If only there were some way to go into the refuge camp and kill ONLY THE TERRORIST, instead of firing missiles blindly into the camp.

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                If only Israelis could stop supporting a genocidal extremist government.

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                  If I recall correctly, Israelis were all out in the streets protesting their government just a month or so ago.

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                  Hamas exists. A Palestinian resistance to Hamas could exist as well (and would likely be supported by Israel and the United States). Yet, there does not seem to be any Palestinian resistance to their violent and corrupt Hamas overlords.

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        Even given that, Israel still has choices about what it does and responsibility for it. Israel is not forced to mass-murder civilians.

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          Right, Israel should just roll over an accept all death and destructing of their own people just because the Hamas doesn’t give a fuck about theirs?