People really out here still giving away a half a hard drive nowadays to malevolent settler propaganda? Could not be me.
Lemmygrad, malding since fighting the Soviets in COD4.
The only game i own that needs a lot of storage is gta5 online
I got it because it was free. I dont even have it installed because it needs too much space
Because it’s the only game your console will have with the shitass packing they do
It’s getting 100% intentional. I find it ironic when CoD used to be known for being a fairly storage conscious game and now it’s this monstrosity we see before us. Glorified $70 DLC that takes up MORE space than the game it was made for
Why delete unused code and assets or optimize anything when your player base built their personality around your game? They will buy a 3rd SSD at the same time they buy the same game for the 4th time.
What do you mean unused code, there are 3 complete unused games in there.
Download >100Gb = 5 maps, obviously
Of course, everyone knows you start development of a new game from the code base of the previous, but you aren’t allowed to change or delete any of the old code, you need to copy paste the functions and append a version number. It’s called version control.
CoD players won’t play another games because there’s not enough storage left to install another games? Sounds like what Activision would do.
I don’t get why modern AAA refuses to compress / distribute lower storage requirement assets.
Requires effort. Also I’m thoroughly convinced hardware and software companies do it on purpose.
It’s like the whole wearing Nike as your sponsor, the devs are paid to make it badly optimized so customers are encouraged to buy new tech.
Yeah, that’s a fairly harmless conspiracy to believe, I’m in.
It’s hard and it particularly slows down the asset production process which is already a disproportionately slow and expensive part of development. Way easier to let the artists go apeshit exporting everything at 8k and a billion polygons because storage is cheap in a production environment.
Compression could help in theory, but then you’d have to decompress assets on the fly which takes a significant amount of processing power. The industry is trying to reduce the latency of getting assets into memory, compression would be moving the other way from that.
If you’re conspiratorially minded then you might also conclude that it’s to prevent people from having another major live service game installed on base model consoles, making you more likely to keep playing the one you’ve already installed. A kind of walled garden effect.
I mean I get that decompression can be expensive, but there’s nothing stopping them from having a base version of the game with smaller lower quality assets and allowing players that want to download the huge assets do so with a free dlc. Many games have done this in the past.
Or like in mobile games (WoTB, PUBG) you have the option to download “HD-textures”.
Why decompress on the fly? For a lot of things the crazy high-res textures aren’t needed or appreciated while playing. I downloaded some newer FTP Quake title. It had 30 fucking GB for like a dozen maps or so. It is a god damn arena shooter. You are way to busy jumping around, making fast paced shots and so on, to ever appreciate that the texture is still detailed, when you are pressing your virtual face against ist. And it takes so much more ressources because the texture needs to be loaded in the VRAM and then scaled down anyways because you aren’t pressing your face against it.
410.13 GB? ARE YOU SERIOUS?
System req for the newest is 150gb, or half of that if you already have 2 other games installed
Better hardware make gamedevs more lazy, remember when they managed to squeeze a game with 3d+music into a CD? (Lego island) now 100+GB for a below average and unfinished game, back then if you have mid even low end PC you can still enjoy most if not all the games (1990-2009) ever released now devs just know everyone have high end PC to play their 10 minutes games before you got board and play solitaire instead
Tho shit has changed since then. The quality of audio and video has increased. Especially on the visual side this takes a lot more storage. More polygons and more pixels equal larger size.
Also, if I remember correctly, data is often stored in multiple places to make it more efficient to read it from BluRay or HDDs.
Tho, with SSDs now in everything, the second thing will probably die out.
Tho shit has changed since then. The quality of audio and video has increased
That’s a bad thing and we can and should go back.
True but they should have take more time and optimize their games
You can only optimize 4K textures so much that they drop right back to “FHD” or sub HD quality. 4K is big.
This is already the case. Even the fastest blu-ray is like 40x slower than the internal SSDs on the PS5 and the XSeX/XSeS, and the largest capacity is only 100GB which isn’t even a single Call of Duty.
remember when they managed to squeeze a game with 3d+music into a CD? (Lego island)
Back then a CD had about as much storage as your entire hard drive. Also, lego island isn’t really a AAA game. A AAA game from 1997 would be something like final fantasy 7, which came on two whole CDs. Drive capacity hit a boom around the 2000s and 2010s, and only recently have AAA games been catching up.
People always want to blame this shit on game developers being lazy, and they’re not wrong that a lot of AAA games are bug ridden messes designed to please shareholders. But games are getting more and more complex, and these developers are being forced to work under strict time constraints.
That doesn’t mean there isn’t room to improve. Maybe offering different download options depending on your storage needs should become a common practice (iirc some games used to do that back when internet bandwidth was limited).
Final fantasy 7 was 3 CD on PlayStation and 4 CD-ROMs for the windows version.
I know, I was there.
UT 2k4 was a seven CD box, just saying. Yes, 7.
Some games still do AoE 4 has the HD assets as an optional DLC so you can decide whether it’s worth the drive space/download time.
No, I can’t believe you. I don’t want to believe you. A +400GB game, come on. Seriously.
On console: Mw2 150gb warzone2 115gb Mw2s “cod hq” for launching games 50gb (the only mandatory one) Mw3 seems to be about 190 looking at articles. (For campaign, zombies and warzone)
They’re starting to obfuscate where each thing comes from now with the Cod HQ Launcher to play off the size of the games. As well as let you delete components like zombies and campaign to “save space” that they hoarded.
Your consile is a whole CoD machine now, only by accident, not that someone intended to do so
Seems like something that could be intentional
ARK survival evolved with all its DLCs is ~450 :')
To be fair to Ark, it has 9 massive maps, and with the exception of the main one, you can install only the ones you want to play on.
massive maps
Data points in the range of Gigabytes (uncompressed), the rest is unoptimized textures and models, duplications and other bullshit. Bet you could get 10 or so fps more, if they invested a few days for optimzations.
IIRC ark stores each model. If the island has 1000 trees, it stores the model of each of them, instead of having 1 model and copy-pasting it. Neither CoD not ark care a single bit for their storage needs.
Heh, a single bit
I know storage is cheap, but nearly half a terabyte? I’m already giving any game the side eye if it takes more than 50G of space on a disk, let alone nearly 10x that.
I think you meant “half a terabyte”, but given its obviously just an oversight I’m probably just nitpicking.
An order of magnitude more. It’s nearly half a terabyte.
Yeah whoops, brain said terabyte but fingers said gigabyte.
Meh, it’s early. But it’s Friday!
Each main cod is 150gb now
Downloaded dmz for some friends on pc it’s 68 so consoles probably see 75-80 if not more
This is BEFORE the fact that On console, each game demands its own space to unpack the entire thing when it tries to update. So on PS5 not only is the game 150gb, but you need 150 free space to update meaning the game is functionally a “ghost” 300gb (I uninstalled cold war over this shit, I don’t have time or room on a console for that fucking nonsense)
PS4/5 does that unpack replace model for updates. Xbox on the otherhand applies the changes directly to the old version.
You’d think, thanks to removing HDDs, we’d no longer need file duplicates (because physics) and games get smaller again. But then you get unoptimized 4k textures and huge language packs for the 10000 hours of cutscenes, which you all have to always download. sigh
Just wait for the cracked version, they often reduce the size while they are at it.
Fit girls make fit games
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But it makes unpacking them quicker, which is what you originally seemed to be making fun of in regards to fitgirl repacks.
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Great, let me just whip out my computer science degree to figure out how the fuck to even do that.
You don’t need a computer science degree to downloaded and install a pirated repacked game.
By leaving translations and so on out, but they can’t change unoptimized and duplicated but only once used assets in every map.
You can choose to compress files on storage. If on linux. Or use tools like ConpactGUI to compress in windows 10/11.(not recommended to compress live service titles)
Part of the reason for the bulk of course is prerendered video and voice assets, especially if it has multiple voice options. Also non standardization of os level compression means you cannot send those conpressed files for users as not all users could use them if compressed using the methods mentioned above.
storage is cheap
My guy, if you talk about slow ass HDDs then yes, but games have become so large that you have to have a SSD at least to have enough read speed for reasonable loading time for shaders, textures, etc.
Makes you wonder when they will start distributing games on SSDs
SSDs are at a good price right now too, but that will probably soon change
Anything >2TB becomes very expensive very quick
Add PCIe 4/5, M.2 form factor, non-2280 length (like SteamDeck) and extra features (if you need them) and they quickly begin zo add up to a point where it’s not feasible to buy it beyond having enough budget to not worry about that fact.
And afaik you’d need PCIe 4.0 M.2 storage to being able to use DirectStorageI was only talking about normal m.2 ssds for pc, console is something different. There aren’t many extra features you meed for gaming. Storage is very cheap right now in comparison to what it used to be but it still isn’t cheap enough for game studios to pull this shit
SSDs sure became cheap and I agree that the game devs are pulling some heavy bs with that stuff. My rig is all flash based (+ an HDD that is for nvidia shadow play so it doesnt write my flash to death for nothing useful. I won’t count that).
But shopping for a PCIe 4.0 M.2 4TB 2280 is very expensive when you compare it to a 4TB HDD or even good desktop 8TB 7200 RPM CMR drive.Usually my backlog is used enough for me to justify not spending the money on >2TB (anything equal or below 2TB is dirt cheap) TLC drives.
Small addition:
4 TB Crucial P3+: 216€
Sabrent Rocket 4TB Q4 M.2: 280€ Samsung SATA 8TB 870 Evo (QLC): 344€
8TB 7200RPM SATA drives (Geizhals link to how I searched): Anything between 145-250€
(Heavily depending on others factors like cache but still cheaper if you have the patience to wait).
8TB 2280 M.2 SSDs: Starting at 780€.Yes the costs are coming down and 5 years ago you would probably be ballin to even think about 8TB in flash as a consumer. In another 5 years SSDs may become so cheap per TB that only € per TB would make a HDD feasible until you start to put SSDs in a 3.5" enclosure and arent constrained by the 2.5" form factor. The cost quickly gets out of hand at some point for a consumer just for having to wait 20 seconds to one minute.
Hope I made my stance clear: It’s cheap. Until it isn’t (for a consumer)
Indeed but the drop in prices for what I considered the normal sizes gives me a little bit of hope for the bigger drives, I would really love a 4/8tb drive so I don’t have to worry about storage again but that will have to wait some time
I FUCKING LOVE DEEP ROCK GALACTIC!
FOR SUCH A SMALL PRICE AND ONLY 5GB OF SPACE REQUIRED YOU GET INSANE AMOUNTS OF CONTENT AND FUN!
is it still worth getting into? it seems like something I’d like but I’ve never played it before and don’t have crazy amounts of time like I used to. should I still give it a go?
Absolutely! I think you can have fun with it, no matter how much time you invest. It feels like the main focus of the game is just the player to have fun.
I played for a while and it’s fun. Definitely worth the price, and IMO it’s an easy game to drop for a while and come back to a month later. Helps prevent burning out. If you’re the kind of player that needs to 100% everything in a week or two you might find it grueling; there’s a ton of progression to do.
It’s nice that you can just go on a single mission and it only takes ~1/2 hour, so there’s hundreds (thousands?) Of hours of content, but it’s all broken into small enough chunks that most people could probably fit it into their schedule.
that does sound super nice. I’ll prob give it a go sometime soon, thanks!
Valheim for the same reasons
Khassaki: HI EVERYBODY!!!
Judge-Mental: try pressing the the Caps Lock key
Khassaki: O THANKS!!! ITS SO MUCH EASIER TO WRITE NOW!!!
Judge-Mental: fuck me
😂 Is that from bash.org?
Yeah, it is. I was going to link directly, but sadly it just spins until it times out :(
End of an era.
Damn, I can’t believe such a legend is gone.
At least it’s partially archived on the wayback machine. I remember going through Bash after seeing quotes from there while playing Hacknet.
ROCK AND STONE
WE’RE RICH!
They legitimately don’t even try optimizing anymore.
what for, people pay big money either way for it
Which is just sad.
Meanwhile, I’m playing an indie game that’s less than a gig and enjoying it. But I’m not much for fps games.
Planet crafter needs with one big map 3GB disk space and loads from menu in 1 second. Just for comparison.
Do deduplicating filesystems do bit-level deduplication? Wouldn’t change unoptimized media, but still curious, what the difference would be.
ZFS will do block level deduplication but requires a large table be stored in ram. The issue arises that the cost to increase your ram to keep up with that table size usually ends up being a lot more than just adding more storage.
I do believe most games have an inflated size due to uncompressed assets being included which a file system level compression could help with so long as you have the CPU to spare.
Thanks for the explanation!
Btrfs can do that, but the CPU load would be uncomfortable.
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Spider-man 2 used like 100gb but at least you could fast travel with no load screens due to the ps5 SSD
100GBs is more or less acceptable for a flagship open-world game on a 4K-capable console.
I love The Dark Mod, it shows what it means to make a good Game, above it’s OpenSource and a game for years.
Official Trailer https://yewtu.be/watch?v=brJqHnXmpgE
that space required is bigger than my games collection and downloads and the family photos combined
