When I saw the video the IDF released I kept waiting for the big reveal that never came. Just a whole lot of nothing in the hospital
This is bizarre and macabre.
First, I want to say that I don’t care if they find tunnels in the hospital or not. Cutting patients off of electricity and medicine is not justified even if they find the massive bad-guy secret base that they say is underneath the hospital.
But on top of that, if the tunnels aren’t there… what then? Do we get an apology? Do they bring back the patients?
I’m shocked that they’re touring journalists and showing off rifles and BOOKS as evidence that this was a legitimate military target.
I want a ceasefire. I want the hostages back. And I want Gaza to have the freedom to select leadership that represents them to engage in a peace process that gives them the right of movement, education, food, and safety.
Some of the rifles the BBC has already confirmed were planted: https://twitter.com/_RichardHall/status/1725498963174752490?t=eRT8uuGerft1G0Hs9mbnjg&s=19
I really want to reiterate: it’s a waste of time to debate.
We all already know that Hamas commits war crimes, and we also already know that none of these war crimes justify Israeli crimes against humanity. Debating whether Hamas used a given hospital to store a specific gun is like debating whether I owe you $100 or $200 for dinner last week when I already owe you $50,000. Who cares’s what the bill was last week? It’s a distraction.
Here’s where we must insist on putting our attention: generations of occupation and displacement have been a disaster for Palestinians and liberal Israelis. It has only been a success for Jewish supremacists, and those people have been pulling the wool over American liberals for far, far, far too long. We need to get out of debates over any given hospital and demand new leadership in Israel that commits to ending the Israeli apartheid and expanding civil rights to the people living in the Palestinian territories illegally annexed by Israel.
They did NOT confirm that. Can you provide a quote from this video where it says that?
Even the fucking CNN, notorious for supporting the Zionist state, is picking this story up. Deny as much as you like, it won’t make things less true.
I… didn’t say that. I don’t doubt they did it, but you didn’t post a source and are making claims based on what, exactly? The BBC noted a cut in the video and that the scene could have been rearranged. Idk why you’re so up in arms.
The BBC compared the original video to the one they correspondent took and noticed that the guns had been shuffled and a new gun had been added to the pile.
If I didn’t link the full video, that’s my bad. I’m not sure how to link BBC broadcasts.
Sure but to say they outright accused Israel of planting them is wrong. Good information is already hard enough to find. They are still pussyfooting around it and took a fairly neutral and evidence based view. That is all I’m saying
A new gun was placed in the pile before it was shown to journalists.
How, exactly, do you define “planting” if that’s not it?
Man, is this seriously going turn into into the Iraq has WMD boondoggle/fiasco:
“Secretary of State Colin Powell gave a presentation to the UN on February 5, 2003, in which he detailed false intelligence gatherings provided by the Israeli government regarding Iraqi WMD.”
Source 1: Senate Report on Iraqi WMD Intelligence
Source 2: Israel knew Iraq had no WMD, says MP
I forgot it was Israeli Intelligence source back then 🤔. I only remember Bush insisting there are WMDs and Colin Powell’s declaration at the UN. All of it was proven fake of course, and 20 years later it has become the biggest and most expensive Intelligence blunder.
Hopefully, I am wrong and we were smarter to verify everything before repeating the same reckless mistake.
I try to not comment on controversial issues particularly when I don’t have any qualification or first hand knowledge/experience, however this is looking more and more like an unmitigated overreaction.
This building has become a central focus of Israel’s war, described as a key command centre, even potentially the “beating heart” of Hamas operations.
Israeli forces are still searching for the tunnels beneath the hospital that they believe Hamas fighters may have withdrawn to, perhaps with some of the hostages.
The BBC was not shown what was on the laptops.
In the brightly lit corridors of the MRI unit, Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Conricus shows us three small stashes of Kalashnikovs, ammunition and bullet-proof vests - he says they have found around 15 guns in all, along with some grenades.
Lt Col Conricus also shows us some military booklets and pamphlets, and a map that he says is marked with potential entry and exit routes from the hospital.
The report of finding 15 guns is my idea of a small cache than a central military command centre.
And about those tunnels… is the IDF going to find them or are they going to dig them and say they were there?
You’ll find more than that at a hospital in the US from the security guards. You probably won’t find grenades though.
Interview with someone at a Ukrainian hospital mentioned that one of the first things to do treating people who came from fighting was to remove all the grenades and ammo from their pockets, so that stuff would certainly be expected in any war zone hospital.
That does make sense. Don’t want your patient accidentally exploding. That would be bad bedside manner.
15 guns that the IDF has been tampering with: https://twitter.com/_RichardHall/status/1725498963174752490?t=eRT8uuGerft1G0Hs9mbnjg&s=19
Seeing what they found vs the fantastical 3D video of the tunnels under the hospital is both funny and sad (for those that died because of it). Israel has had a track record of lying but more than ever thanks to decentralization of information and not having to rely on lying news networks people are seeing the truth.
