I don’t really think it’s caused backlash in me - just the ending of feeling bad for not tipping. Do I want to tip for you handing me something? Do I want to tip for self checkout? Do I want to tip for you checking me out?
You make a normal wage and haven’t done anything outside of the norm. Why on earth do you deserve a tip?
Pretty soon there’s going to be tip options on the self checkouts.
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Did you say tip options on the self checkouts? They’re here: https://gizmodo.com/tipping-self-check-out-1850419084
I just wish jobs payed livable wages.
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I had no idea until recently that coffee shops are allowed to pay tipped wages instead of regular minimum wage. Right now, I am reading up on my state (Florida)‘s minimum wage laws, and apparently any employee who receives tips can be considered a tipped employee, meaning if your workplace has a square POS, congrats, they are allowed to pay you $5.44/hr! The tip credit explanation is also absolutely blowing my mind with a combination of confusion and corporate greed. The fact that there is an under-20 minimum wage of $4.25/hr is absolutely mind-boggling. I could MAYBE understand this for people under 18, but people from 18-20 are adults and plenty of them have already moved out of their parents’ homes. How is this okay?!?
Which leads to a more ridiculous expectation that customers should know local labor laws, and then start asking employees about their wages to determine if we should tip them or not. Its really frustrating, and I just wish people paid for labor instead of playing on our emotions.
Not going to happen as long as tipping culture persists.
If patrons stopped tipping, and restaurant staff stopped working until a living wage is paid to them, what options do restaurant owners have? They’ll have to accommodate or close their doors.
Either way is better for everyone, since a business that can’t pay their employees isn’t a viable business anyway.
I just don’t like tipping as an expectation. If you genuinely want to tip, you’ll know and you won’t need to be asked. There’s nothing wrong with the idea of giving someone a tenner if they go out of their way for you, but being guilted into making a voluntary donation because someone did their job is an example of completely losing the plot. Of course tipped minimum wage shouldn’t be lower either.
I also don’t like the recent trend of being asked to tip before even receiving the service. Uhh… I dunno how much to tip you, you haven’t done anything yet. In the context of delivery apps, it also incentivizes blackmail.
Last thing I’ll point out - tipping is associated with racial and sex-based discrimination, and managers often pocket tips even though it’s technically illegal in most places. So even if you don’t mind it for any other reason, that alone should be enough to discourage it.
I also don’t like the recent trend of being asked to tip before even receiving the service. Uhh… I dunno how much to tip you, you haven’t done anything yet. In the context of delivery apps, it also incentivizes blackmail.
Yeah that’s not a tip, that’s straight up bribery. Fuck doordash.
Fuck doordash for so many reasons outside of that, but yeah, fuck doordash.
It’s worth noting for anyone who does tip on delivery apps - don’t. Part of your tip is a direct donation to DD. They’re not technically lying when they say it “goes to the driver”, but they can sure as hell lower base pay accordingly. If you can’t fight the urge to tip, then tip cash.
Tip culture is ridiculous. Places like self-serve froyo shops shouldn’t even have tips as an option. Unless the cashier is helping me make the froyo and holding it for me while I lick it, there’s no way to justify tipping.
May be? I was at a sandwich place here that had the minimum tip option at 18%.
It’s getting fucking stupid
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Where I live, there are plenty of restaurants with tipflation.
And then there are the worker-owned pizza joint and coffee shop, which do not even have a tip jar on the counter. They don’t ask for — or make room for — tips. They pay their worker-owners well enough that they don’t have to beg.
That’s what tipping culture is. It’s putting the worker in the position of begging from the customer instead of being assured a fair wage by the employer. And now, the management even wants to tax the receipts of this mandatory panhandling.
Now, I understand that authoritarians love this. When I was a kid, I was explicitly told that tips were necessary; otherwise the waiter might spit in your food. That is, as a child of the professional class, I was instructed that service workers must be appeased with donations to keep them from committing crimes against us.
Yeah. That’s pretty messed up.
But the worker-owned venues make it clear: the restaurant doesn’t need tips to attract capable & honest workers; they just need to give a fair deal.
Fucking Starbucks is asking for tips.
If you’re spending $7+ on a coffee you probably aren’t concerned with being frugal 😀
This topic is unrelated to frugality.
If one is spending $7 for coffee, that should be enough to have the employer pay their employees.
No, I don’t pay $7 for Starbucks coffee.
With these payment processors making it a simple option, more and more businesses are thinking “why not?” and sticking tipping in places it used to never be expected. Unfortunately, I’m not sure if this backlash will actually cause any change because for businesses it’s a win as long as even one person decides to tip and it costs them nothing to have the option on.
It’s similar to paid DLC in video games. People laughed at paying for horse armor but as long as at least one person bought it, it was money that the company wasn’t getting before. Now games not being sold in pieces is the exception rather than the norm.
I’m not sure if this backlash will actually cause any change because for businesses it’s a win as long as even one person decides to tip and it costs them nothing to have the option on.
I’m a university lecturer, and this sounds a lot like students who will ask for extra credit/more points because “it can’t hurt”. And if one of their professors/lecturers gives them extra points one time, it’s worth it for those students. To them, it costs nothing to ask, they can only gain, and there are no downsides.
But there are, just not directly. My students think that the worst thing I can do is say no and their score stays the same. But I can also be less lenient in the future (which I definitely am with grade grubbers). I will also refuse to write letters of recommendation or supervise theses for students that do this shit, because I genuinely don’t want to deal with those students anymore.
You are right that it does not directly cost businesses money to have that option. But it can still cost them in the long run. I know I’m less likely to support businesses that pull this bullshit, especially if they try harder to guilt you. Also, it’s increasingly giving the appearance that needing to give tips means that workers are underpaid, so by turning on that option, the business is effectively announcing that they underpay their staff, which is a bad look for the business.
If you don’t want to pay a tip, don’t do business at a place that underpays their staff.
If you go out to a restaurant and deprive the servers of tips, you aren’t hurting the restaurant. If you want to make a principled stance against tipping, then you have to stop giving those businesses your money.
I still can’t understand why americans still tolerate tip culture.
We don’t have mandatory tips in Europe and still have people working at McDonald’s or similar restaurants : In France, it’s even one of the biggest employer of the country.
I can’t say for all of Europe, but at least in France it’s simply included in the bill at most restaurants. Around 15%. It’s not that different in the end. Just easier to forget about it as the prices on the menu are service included.
For restaurants at least. Not talking about fast foods.Source:
Les serveurs reçoivent un salaire décent et ne dépendent pas des pourboires, et les cafés et restaurants sont tenus par la loi d’inclure des frais de service (personnel et les couverts pour un montant généralement 15 %) sur la facture depuis 1984
Because in some places it’s the only way for the staff to make livable wages. If our store didn’t allow tips I’d be missing 10 - 20% of the pay I get, and with the situation I’m in, everything helps.
And while I would love for tips to go away, and for our minimum wage to reflect the reality of our economy, that doesn’t seem to be happening nearly fast enough, or in some places, at all.
I see accepting that is part of ‘tolerating tipping culture’. Indeed, the system as it is now would not realistically allow for tipping to be obliterated. But just saying “it doesn’t work, for this and that reason…” and then continuing the status quo, will not change anything.
You’ve seen what happens in France when the workers are unhappy. What America needs, first and foremost, is powerfull unions, make the minimal wage reflect a decent living wage at least, make the waiters wage an acceptable wage, and then abolish tipping. Accepting the status quo is tolerating it.
Does anyone have a concern about what happens when NOT leaving a tip at these places? I don’t enjoy tipping before I have received service (fast food) but am unsure of the ramifications of not doing so 😬
Wait you have to tip before getting anything? US tipping culture is so fucked holy shit.
edit: also the thought of tipping for fast food is fucking ridiculous lmfao. You threw it into the deep fryer asshole I’m not tipping you for that
Pro tip: Don’t work at a fast food restaurant if you expect a livable wage. There are other options, especially in the US.
You’re implying that certain jobs don’t deserve a living wage, but it’s fine because higher wages exist in other jobs. So should fast food just disappear? Who is going to work these jobs that don’t deserve a living wage? Slaves?
Teenagers looking for part time jobs, recent retirees looking for additional cash, folks that have partners witb ‘living wage’ jobs. And I never said anything about anyone deserving anything. My pro tip was, if you want a living wage, you will not find it at a fast food job. Try harder. Or, continue to piss and moan on the internet.
You seem utterly clueless. Old people don’t work as a greeter at Wal-Mart for “extra cash” they do it because they would be homeless otherwise. Teenagers can be exploited, old people can be exploited, but it’s fine because you consider fast food to be a shit job. You’re a gigantic asshole.
I’m not going to engage in any class warfare… restaurant staff actually get LESS than minimum wage, because tips are supposed to offset the loss. Of course they’re going to want more money; they probably NEED it. Having said that, I rarely have two dimes to scrape together, and my tip limit is 15%, give or take. I mean, I’m not going to count it out to the penny, I’m not that much of a tightwad, but I’ve got my own expenses. If I can’t realistically afford to eat out, I’ll just make a sandwich at home.
How about making employers responsible for actually paying their employees?
Employers will never do this. They would rather allow their employees to starve.
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restaurant staff actually get LESS than minimum wage, because tips are supposed to offset the loss.
In the US, tipped minimum wage + tips must be greater than or equal to regular minimum wage. If not, employers must make up the difference.
Not in California - in LA they get $17/hr + tips.
The biggest advocates for tipping culture are the restaurant workers - if they were paid commensurately they’d lose money since it’d be all taxable. And we all know that tipped employees all definitely mark the accurate amount of cash tips received on their taxes each year…
I’m curious how many of these POS (Point-of-Sale, not Piece of Shit) systems have the default settings to ask for tips. If so, I wonder how many of these places are committing wage theft by not actually paying tips out to the employees.
Given their reliability, both are accurate.
I did takeout at a Dominos the other day, and it took the idiot a full minute to figure out how to bring my order up on the computer. He’s tap, tap, tapping away at the computer with no idea what he’s doing. Probably high as hell. And then he’s like, “It’s going to ask you a question”, and I was actually angry that it even gave me the option. WTF! And I still felt slightly guilty for hitting “no tip”. Fuck tipping!
If anything, the fact that every business is asking for a tip makes it easier for me to feel less guilty about not tipping now.
