cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/1085036
I personally feel as if its like polluting the fediverse!
Can somebody explain me exactly how defederating them would give us a different outcome?
I’m genuinely curious.
Meta couldn’t give less fucks about 100k users on lemmy, they are targeting people that isn’t and will never use nor understand what the fediverse is.
You keep them out, good. They don’t care, they just want to fill their own bucket with stuff that is outside anyway
Twitter people going to threads is completely independent from anything in the fediverse. Those people won’t even notice any difference if they are federated or not.
They are in for the brand and the fomo, not the content
Defederation isn’t about punishing them. It’s about keeping their garbage off this platform, and keeping it separate.
That’s good, but people are proposing it as a defense against an eventual EEE, that’s what I don’t get
I’m also concerned about the potential for embrace/extend/extinguish, but searching for other fediverse users and posts is enough of a hurdle that threads might end up naturally staying a fairly separate instance.
Honestly I don’t think the fediverse is big enough for zuck to consider it a threat.
Hey @zuck@threads.com , you should really flag your account as a bot, thanks!
Hey @zuck@threads.com , you should really flag your account as a bot, thanks!
Negative. Zuckerberg is an actual human, not a quasi sentient conglomerate composed of experimental AI platforms developed by the US Air Force to explore alien worlds via the Stargate program.
Is it possible to defederate them as a preventive measure?
Yes, the domain to block is “threads.net”. Ask your admins to consider doing that.
FWIW their doc about the fediverse:
Did someone expect otherwise? That may be why they’re not in EU yet, that should be (legally) impossible under GDPR.
I was under the impression GDPR only has to do with personal information, like email. And that threads just doesn’t have authorization yet.
What you post is also a personal information. And while it’s required for the service to function (meaning they don’t need your permission to store it), they need your permission to use it for marketing purposes, which is pretty much the only reason Meta would even want your data.
Hmm. This is interesting. I wonder if simply promoting federated posts in an algorithmic feed counts as marketing as it is being displayed next to ads.
Will be interesting what approach the EU takes in enforcing GDPR for federated apps.
I just started the use the fediverse to get away from Meta (I have a somewhat active Instagram) and Reddit.
Now unfortunately my userbase is going to threads without knowing what it even is. I’m trying to spread awareness about the fediverse but it’s like yelling into the void. I signed up for threads and will continue to try to post content about the fediverse, but I also have to have an audience to share my art to as I’m trying to build some interest for a game I’m making.
This really sucks. I feel extremely upset about this whole meta thing. I could continue to try to build from scratch, but I am hoping to release the game next year and I already have 3 years head start on Instagram, it feels bad to also just abandon what I’ve worked hard on.
I dunno, I’m just venting. I hate Meta. I don’t even have a actual Facebook account. Hell I didn’t know Facebook owned Instagram until a year in.
I’ll just try to continue to stay active on my fediverse accounts. And try to promote the fediverse on the centralized BS networks.
Hey man don’t overthink it. You need a meta product for work or for a project, just use it professionally. You need to think about your own success and go where your audience is.
Now on your personal time if you don’t want the toxicity of those places come to the fediverse and let’s have a nice chat.
I think the goal of the fediverse is not to eat the world but on the contrary to give us alternatives so we can compartmentalize our internet life.
Thank you so much, seeing the whole threads thing ruined my day yesterday night and this morning. I felt like a sense of hopelessness for the future of decentralized platforms.
You’re right, I can continue to use both for different purposes.
Thank you so much. Seriously!
Oh man happy to help! And good luck on your game project, drop us a link sometime!
hey dude it’s been ruining my night/morning too. you’re not alone at least
Moved to Fediverse to get away from the data hoarding and selling that those types of companies partake in. Really hope most instances will defederate from threads and prevent Meta from collecting more data.
The only thing they can collect (as long as you aren’t on their services) are the things that are available for the entire world to see. So your comments, usernames etc. are already visible and they won’t get any of your personal data as that’s not known except to your instances admins.
They will collect or probably are already collecting. Even if everyone defederate from Threads, they can and will open a secret instance and get all the data without anyone knowing it
I’m interested in seeing how the enshittification of Threads will unfold. It’s all super neat and cozy right now with a clean UI, no ads, not many sign up nags, and such. When they build up their userbase, we’ll see how the platform devolves.
This article sums up what has happened a few times already: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
This isn’t any different.
Thanks for that article, was a great read. Hope history doesn’t repeat.
I said in a different thread but: It’s a good, and very scary, reading but I would argue that it does not directly translate here because Lemmy / Kbin and Reddit are not social media per se, they are content focused instead of being person focus. Here no one cares who you are, we are all here for content. The XMPP EEE succeeded because once defederated people were not able to talk to their friends, defederating Threads would cut us off from strangers and their content, it’s not a big deal.
We’ll see what happens, hopefully the Fediverse will not be another free social media attempt killed by greedy corporates.
It surely won’t take long. I’m expecting a speedrun.
Enshittification Any% WR
Well, we have our ace in the hole! When people get sick of being advertised at, move them to the Mastodon client, or Jerboa, or Artemis - no ads, no tracking (unless you keep using Meta’s servers).
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
If Kbin or Lemmy allows them to federate with us, I’m out of here.
I felt the same way but then I read this and changed my mind about it https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
Thinking about it I’m in an European country where Whatsapp is the default messenger app, if it had interoperability I could be on another FOSS app and be tracked by Meta just when I talk to people who are on Whatsapp and be free when talking to people not on Whatsapp, this could be great to make people switch “clients”, which is damn hard now because “everyone is on Whatsapp”. Interoperability is the shit and we should embrace it!
We have interoperability for emails but most people use gmail/microsoft , so you could be tracked even if you use protonmail
Not if I’m talking to someone on Protonmail, Tutanota, etc.
Now would you prefer to have the possibility to talk privately at least to someone, even if just a handful of people, or be forced to never talk privately because you must use gmail to talk to anyone else?
Yes, but like I said, most people won’t be on those services so they will be able to collect most of your data anyways.
Here at least on Lemmy is even worse, because they can get everyone’s data even if you never access theirs instance or they could simply create a shadow one to get the data without anyone noticing
It’s not clear, are you saying that since they would get most of my data (which is an already flawed argument since for example now I have my partner, best friends and family on Signal which are 95% of my conversations, as opposed to 5% of people whom I talk to on Whatsapp) I should give them all of it?
The second point doesn’t even require to have Threads, they could already do that, now what?
No, we should not embrace interoperability with them. Read this https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Don’t let them get the foot in the door. Preemptively block everything.
In addition, Facebook already had support for XMPP at some point in time but killed it.
Why? Because they couldn’t dry users off other platforms after Google closed their own support for XMPP.
Even if Meta “play nice”, we already know their aim. Siphon users off mastodon and then remove activityPub support when most servers are on life support from loss of users.
Embrace meta
Extend meta
Destroy meta
There’s nothing here to leave from in the first place, this place is pretty much empty at the moment. At least when a big player joins the fediverse it will bring users here and we will finally get decent content. The good thing about the fediverse is that the bad actors can just be defederated if things get too bad, unlike reddit for example.
Same. If kbin joins in, I’m gone. I haven’t been here long enough to give a fuck, but I do love it. I want kbin and Lemmy to make the right decision, but won’t think twice about leaving the second I see things taking an enshittified turn. Fuck off, Meta - nobody wants you here.
The beauty of this all is that you can just head to a different Kbin or Lemmy instance. There absolutely will be instances that refuse to federate with Meta.
well, sooner or later the normies™️ will find a way here, whether through Meta or some other corpo
This is how it should work. I don’t want to have to sign up on every different service. If people I want to follow choose to post stuff there that I want to read, I can do so from my Mastodon account.
Some clever coding genius should host an instance for a bot they make that stays federated with everyone, and the entire point of the bot is to crawl across posts and anyone posting from Threads gets a nice public reply about why Threads is a toxic instance and they should switch to a non-Meta one immediately.
You absolute legend, I’m disappointed I can’t code now…
Threads, where you can live in a pretend simulation that your ass isn’t owned by Captain Facebook.
The instance I’m on has already preemptively defederated/blocked Threads.