She’s charged basically for not leaving a the premises when told by police, she’ll likely receive a fine.
She’ll be alright and will get a chance to argue in court, a new platform one might even argue. I don’t think this is anything to get rallied up or worried about, civil disobedience works sometimes
And this isn’t the first time. A lot of climate activists (and I assume Greta included) love these non-compliance fines, since it’s basically advertising for them
Arresting her literally just makes her louder since it gets news coverage.
Getting arrested was likely the plan the whole time lol
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Good.
Because it highlights it internationally and brings more attention than if they didn’t. Attacking/protesting the corporations which are most responsible for the situation we’re in has shifted public consciousness to understanding.
I didn’t even know she was protesting. Now I do.
Human activity and wealth flows like water: through the path of least resistance. You can’t affect change unless and until it is easier not to use oil than it is to use it.
We all need to do something. Is anyone noticing the heat waves? Holy shit! We are fucking dying very slowly.
So why was she protesting the building of a wind farm a few weeks ago?
I find it funny how her protesting something hugely beneficial was met with general silence.
Reddit tier obtuseness.
Well because the wind farms are destroying Sami land? And other alternative placements exist for the wind farms, but not for the reindeer the Sami hunt. Agree or not, but it’s not because she’s protesting the concept of wind farms in Norway.
How are wind farms “destroying Sami land”? Please fill me in.
Full disclosure, I work in the industry so I would LOVE to know how a wind turbine tower which at it’s base is typically no more than 5 m in diameter (15’) is destroying anything when wind farms are commonly installed on farm land with essentially no disruption to the field and it’s use to grow food.My dad works for big windmills too
This is just a guess, but could the vibrations / low frequency sound be bad for / drive away animals they hunt? I know my community has rebuffed attempts at an offshore one for those reasons and the effect on our fisheries. (I understand sound propagation through water is quite a different beast, but thats my conjecture)
Just pointing out that reindeer aren’t really hunted, they’re more like free roaming cattle. They’re all owned by someone.
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To be more blunt, the comment was an outright mischaracterization, and if not out of ignorance, then a pure lie. Typical bullshit used to discredit people offhand.
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Look, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here in assuming you’re asking that question honestly and not trying to start a debate about whether or not this dishonest nature of the comment constitutes a lie.
So why was she protesting the building of a wind farm a few weeks ago?
I find it funny how her protesting something hugely beneficial was met with general silence.
The comment is set up to try and make Greta appear hypocritical. She’s supposed to be an environmentalist and she’s protesting wind farms? The comment goes on to extrapolate that to the entire environmentalist community being hypocrites because the protest “was met with general silence”.
What it leaves out is the context of the protest, which had absolutely nothing to do with the windmill, but rather the development of land use by peoples who don’t have the political power to prevent it.
It’s akin to you protesting a children’s hospital being put in your backyard and then being accused of hating sick children.
In other comments, OP says “I work in the industry and windmills aren’t a problem”, blah, blah, blah. This purposely misses the point that the problem is development of these people’s land against their will, whether it be a windmill or a Walmart. You can be an environmentalist who is pro windfarm and still have an issue with exploiting people, even if that exploitation is to put up wind farms.
I thought you were kidding, but she actually did. Wow!
The context is that it’s being built on indigenous land which they use for herding. So it’s not perfect, for their side, but it’s definitely not “Greta is against wind power”
Wind farms are commonly installed on farm land as well as land used to herd animals. So explain to me why THIS land is any different? It’s not. But she was bafflingly protesting against it.
Maybe there’s a small difference in behavior between domesticated cattle and undomesticated deers.
Maybe something about methane or something who knows. I’m not up to date on this one.
You can find out for yourself rather than attempting to discuss in bad faith.
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“it’s not” shows that the person has already made their mind up and done their reading, so I’m not particularly bothered about engaging people like this as they are not actually interested and are just trying to derail in bad faith.
Because it’s indigenous land. The point is that the people who live there should get a say after centuries of genocide.
We could die a little faster if it helps.
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It’s all for publicity. You should post the videos where the police are being all nice and chatting her up and taking selfies with her before carrying her away at the last protest. News outlets only posted the videos of her being carried away. Other outlets leaked the before images of her posing for pictures and smiles with the cops. It’s all bullshit.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy, 1962
I wish you were right. Look at Bulgaria. A year of peaceful protest, and the ones who were supposed to save us from the corrupt government made a coalition with them and thus rehabilitated the mafia government. I hope that I get proven wrong, and Kennedy is correct, but only time will tell.
She should be getting a Nobel prize for putting a rapist sex-trafficker in prison with a single tweet.
He isnt in prison because he isnt a rapist, neither a trafficker
Okay, then why do you think he’s in prison…?
Though I wish this were true it is not. Romanian authorities, specifically Ramona Bolla of DIICOT confirmed that the tweet had nothing to do with locating him.
It is a funny coincidence though.
I don’t think that is necessarily relevant. Romania didn’t seem to be in a hurry to arrest him until she made the post. I think the more relevant thing she did was to embarrass Romania into action.
You suggesting that Romanian authorities rely on tweets of some social media celebrity to arrest another one is not that different from Top scumbag himself suggesting he can bribe his way to stay away from prison in Romania. Both are pretty insulting to Romania.
Granted, yours isn’t as bad, yet you should still reconsider your position.
Let’s agree though that the timing was hilarious
Where were you when Greta pulled up with three dozen ships of the line, each with 140 guns to blockade Sweden’s oil port?
Civil disobedience working as intended. Using celebrity, and the legal system to generate the necessary noise. Give them hell Greta!
Absolutely amazing. For those who say are saying that it was too extremist of a position, I’d say fuck off. She is doing what we all need to be doing. Oil companies and governments aren’t going to help us out of the climate catastrophe that is coming. They simply aren’t. Capitalism will not allow it. This is the only option we have left.
Something that intrigued me was how Martin Luther King managed to do so much through nonviolent protest. Rosa Parks refusal to give up her seat and the bus boycotts made people realize how absurd and unfair Jim Crow laws were.
He even participated in a sit in at a department store and was arrested for it. People were getting arrested in such numbers for such simple things it made people think about what King and his followers were trying to do.
I have no doubts that Ms. Thunberg has good intentions, but her protests are simply ineffective. In this case, “blockading” an oil port just frustrates people for delaying a crucial product.
Do you have any idea how the civil rights protests worked? Do you think MLK just asked everyone nicely to give black people rights pretty please? MLK did the exact same kind of thing as Greta, so don’t even pretend you give half a shit about MLK when you’re making it crystal clear that you don’t know a goddamn thing about his methods or beliefs. You wanna know what MLK actually thought about violent protests? In his own words: “A riot is the language of the unheard.”
I hate how often people like you use MLK to hide behind while misinterpreting him and ignoring everything he actually stood for.
It’s frustrating when people think talking down to others is going to change minds. It’s no wonder progressive activists fail to make progress.
If you expect people with different perspectives to get behind people like Greta you’ll want to adopt a better strategy. Otherwise, you’ll continue to polarize folks.
I find it frustrating when people who are wrong, won’t change their minds.
I don’t expect people who are devoid of reasoning to get behind anyone except themselves. Someone, I’m not invested in at all.
With that being said, do you think it’s more reasonable to:
Actually blockaid during a protest and get arrested, preventing future activism?
Get media to spread an important message about some injustice, potentially gathering support for similar causes?
Which one would be more effective, and why?
I don’t know, man. I’m not saying it was the best thing that could’ve been done, but at least she’s actually trying to get us to stop cooking ourselves. It wasn’t like she went full blown eco terrorist.
Fair point, it isn’t the worst either. The thing I see though is people shouting over one another trying to push their agenda (noble or not) and all it does is make people more polarized. Just look at the comments on this post.
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The second I saw MLK’s name I immediately though I was about to read a dogshit take. You did not disapoint.
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Thanks for you transparency but next time please refrain.
Well, that’s assuming they get to keep their money. My preference would be that we need to start taking it, but that likely won’t happen. They won’t help out of good will, but hopefully we can make them help by force.
There is no climate catastrophe, do some damn research. Ffs.
I have, which is why I know there is a climate catastrophe.
Scientists have done the research. What’s your excuse?
No no, when they say do your research they mean browse Facebook conspiracy groups, not actual scientific literature.
Duh.
grow up
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“We blocked the port in order to stop the use of fossil fuels that are killing innocent people,” she said. “The real crimes continue inside the gate of the port. We are not going to sit and wait while the fossil fuel industry takes our dreams away from us.” Asked if she’s worried about the consequences of the trial, she replied: “I personally am more worried about the horrible harm the fossil fuel industry is doing to the world.” “I’m not going to stop while they are threatening the planet.”
Much of the oil and gas industry says that continued production is necessary in order to meet global energy demands. Cutting oil and gas production would be “dangerous and irresponsible”, the head of energy company Shell told BBC News. The International Energy Agency has said that there can be no new investments in oil, gas and coal now if governments are serious about the climate crisis. UN chief António Guterres recently said investment in new oil and gas production was “economic and moral madness”. This week the world experienced its hottest day on record on Tuesday, topping 17C for the first time.
Our world burns and people suffer so that oil companies can turn a profit. The few are making decisions that will have disasterous effects on the many in the not too distant future.
Asked if she’s worried about the consequences of the trial, she replied: “I personally am more worried about the horrible harm the fossil fuel industry is doing to the world.” “I’m not going to stop while they are threatening the planet.”
This. This is activism. I’m not brave enough to face a justice system hostile to my existence like she does, so I’m glad she’s there to do it.
Also, great job staying on message. Press wrangling is a chore, but it’s so important to get your story out.
Cue the millions of bootlickers who will claim “she’s been coached into this by her parents and Soros!”
Right? Really, tho. I sincerely hope she was coached by somebody and not left in the dark to figure out how to be a figurehead of a movement and lightning rod for abuse all on her own. That’d be kinda fucked up.
She’s been literally protesting for eco solutions since she was like 12 or something. While some kids were busy jerking off to Harry Potter, she found her outlet in becoming an activist and leading one of the largest movements in climate change protests, becoming an inspiration millions of children just like her. I’ve seen the Friday walk-out protests in Europe, and the attendance was always huge and the people involved were very passionate about the cause.
I know people have a hard time understanding that, but that’s why they jerk off to Harry Potter instead. It’s all they got.
As long as people are buying gas for their cars and flying planes around the world, oil companies will need to exist.
It’s so strange to me how people will protest oil companies, then go fill up their tank at the gas station. Or fly across the globe for their vacations.
“You protest society, AND YET YOU LIVE IN A SOCIETY?”
“I want to save the planet, but I’d rather go on vacation.”
For most Americans, there is no alternative for a car. The tram lines we used 60 years ago were bought and torn up by car manufacturers. We need grocery stores within walking distance, and transit lines to useful places before people will give up their cars.
One relatively recent and quite expensive alternative would be electric cars. But I don’t really see that as a real, permanent solution, for that you would need a good railway/tram system, which sadly isn’t all that common all around the world
I have grocery stores within walking distance, but even taking a dolly it’s a hell of a lot of work carrying back a bunch of groceries. Plus the way the roads are constructed I risk my life every time I cross the street. Young and fit people should walk to the store but it’s not practical for everyone.
Maybe not everyone, but that’s pretty much the only way it’s done for most denizens of New York City, young and old.
That makes sense. I feel like probably NYC is constructed better in terms of walkability and public transportation. I live in semi-suburban Denver. There are 7-8 small grocery stores and 2 wholesale food warehouses about a mile from my house, primarily Asian and Central American markets, which is a lot, so it’s feasible for me to walk. 3-4 liquor stores, a couple weed shops and a few convenience stores. For many other areas of the city it wouldn’t be as reasonable to live without a car, though probably one could take the bus or light rail. The problem is just walking to a bus stop is about half a mile so it wouldn’t help that much. I could use an Uber or Lyft, but it would be expensive unless I just went to the store once every 2 weeks.
I’m reasonably fit, in my 40s, but things like “I’ll carry back 4 12 packs of Diet Pepsi from the store for my girlfriend” leaves me feeling pretty worn out. Taking a dolly or cart helps but I’m the only person around here I ever see doing that… not that I mind. I suppose I could do grocery delivery.
Grocery delivery is a good stop gap, but you’d need all the various grocery stores to be on board. Municipal and state governments could literally subsidize the costs of maintenance and fueling delivery vehicles to incentivize this method, and even offer rebates for customers who participate, but nah that’s all too hard and will eat at the bottom line so let the world burn I guess.
Yeah, but this article is about Sweden.
The purpose and function of the police and the courts is the protection of capital from the people. Some cases illustrate this more clearly than others. This is one of them.
Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?
Let’s make some bacon.
I could demonstrate to you That every single bank robbery That in every single case practically The cost of the police was more than The actual money that the robbers took from the bank Does that mean, 'Oh, you see There’s really no economic interest involved, then They’re not protecting the banks The police are just doing this ‘cause they’re on a A power trip or they’re macho, or they’re control freaks That’s why they do it’ No, of course, it’s an economic… Of course, they’re defending the banks Of course, because if they didn’t stop that bank robbery Regardless of the cost, this could jeopardize The entire banking system You see, there are people who believe That the function of the police Is to fight crime, and that’s not true The function of the police is social control And protection of property…
Turns out that in their demands on Sweden to change the way they apply the law when it comes to PKK demonstations, what Turkey is doing wrong is making it a quid pro quo for approving NATO membership rather than just helping the Swedish upper classes get richer.
Clearly freedom of speech CAN be traded in Sweden, as long as its for cold hard cash.
It should be worth noting that Sweden’s government is extremely right wing so this is a badge of honour for Greta, I’d imagine.
Good. Stopping people from doing their jobs or inconveniencing the public aren’t how you should protest. You deserved to be locked up for doing that. If you don’t like something, you advertise and get the word around so you can eventually get it fixed going through the correct systems.
that has never worked
I don’t know. I remember when people changed the color of their twitter profiles and ended racism.
absolutely brain dead take
What? 😂
Hah. Going through the correct systems…good one.
Are you lost?
If you don’t inconvenience others in your protest, your protest is just masturbation, ie pointless.
People like you will be hilariously blaming the environmentalists and not the capitalists when water ceases to come out of your tap from the capitalist’s fine work.
Suspiciously horrible take
I remember how Nelson Mandela fought against apartheid by going through the correct systems and then apartheid ended! Problem solved!
Actually, Mandela did protest apartheid using the system. After all, he was a lawyer. But after decades of that didn’t work, he and the ANC decided that violence was appropriate against an opponent that did not view them as fully human.
I think that’s kind of my point. Going through the correct systems didn’t end apartheid. Fighting back did.
To be fair, a shocking number of people don’t actually know that he and the ANC did eventually adopt guerrila warfare/terrorism for a time to achieve their ends. I blame the kid-gloves treatment that most discussion of apartheid gets, usually to kids, and the fact that it usually never gets mentioned again to adults.
and you think this is how the rights your lazy ass inherited were won?
Yeah, damn ungrateful plebes who don’t know how to stick to their place in the natural order of things!!!
/s
And you deserved to get fucked up for promoting a way of life that threatens other people’s existence, health and well being.
Ah yes, I remember the civil rights movement where black Americans just politely asked politicians to please give them rights. And the gay rights movement where nobody was arrested. And the protests in Hong Kong which were very peaceful. And the non-provocative Tiennaman Square protest. And the protests for women’s rights against the Taliban where no laws are being broken
Good memories. Those were real protesters! They just quietly and politely asked for acknowledgement of their humanity, as one should.
Nowadays who knows what people are capable of. I’ve heard somebody threw paint on the glass in front of some painting!
These people should get shot for advocating such horrible violence.
There is no “eventually” regarding climate, the time for civility was decades ago and we’re out of time. Remember oil companies have their own research divisions and knew all of this before the public, it is a crime against humanity and the public has to hold them accountable somehow.
Do you think you get 5 days workweeks and paid holidays just because your ancestors politely asked for it ?
There simply are not enough people who understand that the origins of modern policing are in groups like the Pinkertons.
Lol you forgot the /s because there’s no way that’s serious
Pretty common point of view unfortunately - like the people in the US who think they should be able to run over (liberal only of course) protestors if they block a street.
It’s like that in the UK too
Amongst the little mice fighting for crumbs under the table were the fatcats divide the cake, a few, having grabbed slightly larger crumbs, proudly raise them above their heads and shout: “See?! The System works!!!”
Lemmy world is fucked. I give this place 3 months before everyone GTFO’s and leaves it to be a leftist shithole with 30 people.
You also have multiple right-wing shitholes that promise free speech and also drive us out. I’d say the favor is returned here.
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With that logic, people like you deserve to be punished for being complacent with negligent homicide and property damage. My country is being wracked with extreme weather events and my countrymen are now inconvenienced with rising costs of and lack of water supply due to lowering water levels due to the extreme heat because of climate change, and guess what? Lots of people dying to heat stroke, because of the high humidity levels. There is a limit to the temperature people can survive with those humidity levels. People like you only care about convenience, even though hundreds of millions of people will suffer or even die from it because people like you DON’T CARE, and you only will when you complain about the incoming climate refugee crisis. Someday it will be so hot out that poor people won’t be able to protest outside, and the rich people ever more out of touch with reality because they’ll never get out of their air-conditioned houses.
