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Seems to me that the majority of the mods @Worldnews are US citizens. Is this correct?
Yeah, seems like it. This is true for a lot of online forums tbh: they reflect what Americans think of the world more than they reflect the world itself.
Yeah, seems like it. This is true for a lot of online forums (… etc).
I wonder if they will answer that question.
Though, overall they are doing a pretty good job, it would be nice and appropriate to have a more cultural diverse Mod group @WorldNews.
There are members of the mod team from the U.S, U.K, and E.U
I am a Catholic Woman from Southern Europe and have always thought of this community as one where we can come together to learn and discuss current events. I try not to engage much in comments as to me the role of moderator should be one that facilitates the user’s discussions above all else.
It’s hard because the userbase of these platforms tends to be predominantly American since America dominates the Western Anglophone world.
The largest “Western” Anglophone countries are, in order of population: the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and Ireland. In fact, it’s not a stretch to suggest that, in terms of natively English countries, the US population exceeds that of all others combined.
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I can only speak for myself, and all I can say about that is I do live in the US.
Again, I would like to try something different here, which is also the reason we’re also testing removing the US only requirement for !politics@lemmy.world, since it never made sense to me that our communities should be so US centric politics-wise when our instance and a great number of our admins are in Europe.
I don’t really get why two steady and operational fora need to change.
Why don’t you leave at is; and if necessary, or needed, you might want to create a new @worldpolitics.
And yes, US news, which has an impact on the world, should be worldnews as well. As long it’s not Internal US news, and placed with a correct country tag or title( like some suggested)
So, Tesla calling cars back, is world news , and so is a new nuclear thingy. But not Michigan officer this or that.
What nobody wants is too much one sided news, and dis/ misinformation. And some users don’t even want opinion pieces, because they are not " facts"
I don’t mind Opinions stuff though. As long as the tag & title are clear, anybody can decide for themselves whether to click ot not.
I also agree with the quality over quantity statement somebody else made.
https://lemmy.world/c/globalpolitics
already exists! I’m the creator/mod of that but there isn’t really much engagement there other than my posts :) so I’m happy about the idea of working together with the lemmy.world/c/politics mods (if they want me) to take the level of article and discussion quality to the next level!
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
I don’t really get why two steady and operational fora need to change
One of the top moderator for both of these community was removed. !world@lemmy.world has had 3 different top moderators removed to this date, and the previous two times this happened was utter chaos, which is why I requested to step in this time.
And yes, US news, which has an impact on the world, should be worldnews as well. As long it’s not Internal US news, and placed with a correct country tag or title( like some suggested)
We will try to clearly define “internal US news” vs “US news” to leave no ambiguity then.
Thank you for stepping up! They can be a thankless job sometimes
I am from the E.U and have been a mod in this community and was a top mod here for many months, there is a diverse and motivated mod team here!
Might be a reason you’re no longer top mod 🤷
because I am from Europe? I’m sorry that doesn’t make sense
A mod also removed an Associated Press article for “missinformation.” How much more reliable of a source do you want?
The current mods are hopeless. Idk if it’s a few bad apples or a bad bunch, but it’s really not a good situation.
I apologize, and I do think changes are needed here.
As a first step, I have unbanned @naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca, as from the conversation detailed below, what he has done does not warrant a permanent ban at all.
I do take feedback extremely seriously, however, please allow us some time to figure out our next steps.
Thanks for the unban!
Seems like some of the mods go on a bit of a power trip judging by the discussion posted here:
https://lemmy.ml/comment/6942282
Maybe it’s better to just start with a clean slate?
Given the feedback provide here, this is something we will be discussing regarding the standard of moderator behavior as well as further use of MBFC.
To add to that, personally speaking, I do not think multiple ban escalation as shown in the modlog in response to criticism of mod action in direct message is appropriate behavior for our moderation team, nor do I think it should be accepted going forward.
IMO bad apples don’t suddenly get reformed when rules change. If they’re willing to go on power trips, they’re going to keep going on power trips lol
So I ask you, the community, to keep an eye on our community modlog to keep us honest.
And yet the mods will remove any comments criticizing a mod action.
Ffs
There’s a few people in the current batch of mods who are letting mod powers get to their head.
I can tell you that the mod in the exchange with naturalgasbad and the mod who removed the comments are different.
Nevertheless, dismissing valid concerns about inconsistency in rule enforcement, threats of escalating bans, talking down to our community as children, as well as using mod power to remove valid criticism, as YoBuck has demonstrated, are all unacceptable behavior for LW moderators moving forward and will not be tolerated.
I have requested the moderators in question to apologize here, and based on the sincerity they demonstrate, I would be recommending further actions from our admin team.
I’m not holding my breath waiting for an apology. I might not like mods’ agenda, but they have the power here.
While I did not ban you I may have removed some of the posts or comments in the past that were reported for rule violations.
I apologize if the process for appealing is unclear or if any of your posts or comments were removed in error.
Above all else I apologize if you were made to feel unwelcome here as it has been important for me the past 6 months moderating this community to try and develop a place for discussion from many sides on topics around the world.
Before the most recent additions to the mod team we had a practice of using a 1 day temp ban, 3 day temp ban, 7 day temp ban, and then permanent ban for many rule violations. (the exception being clearly racist trolling type of users) I think it would be good to return to a standardized structure as well as removing the MBFC requirements as the best way to fight misinformation is to prove its bias in comments rather than being the arbiters of good journalism.
Some mods have also been deleting comments that add context to mod abuse. @naturalgasbad gave me the full DM context for their “bad faith argument” with a moderator (they did not specify which one), which I posted in a comment in the other pinned thread. It’s a rather childish escalation sequence imo. That comment was deleted for “violating Rule 6”, but I have copied it below for the record:
For the record, naturalgasbad sent me their exchange with the moderator, which stemmed from the moderator in question removing SCMP articles due to “SCMP not meeting reliability guidelines.”
@moderator:
Al Jazeera is reliable when they aren’t talking about things that involve Qatar, that seems to be their specific blind spot.
Kyiv Post and the Telegraph I haven’t specifically looked at, if they get reported I’ll check them out.
@naturalgasbad:
Literally by the standards on SCMP you quoted, they’re unreliable.
@moderator:
SCMP: Mixed for factual reporting due to poor sourcing.
Al Jazeera: Mixed for factual reporting due to failed fact checks that were not corrected and misleading extreme editorial bias that favors Qatar.
You: “bUt ThEyR’e ThE sAmE!!!”
Poor sourcing is poor sourcing. You picked a shitty news agency. Try to do better next time.
(for reference, the Daily Telegraph is also “mixed due to poor sourcing” and Kyiv Post is “mixed due to failed fact checks”)
@naturalgasbad:
MBFC claims SCMP has poor sourcing based on the suggestion that they’re misrepresenting the US import ban on China (the one “failed fact check” according to them). That’s how MBFC gives the commentary on their ratings. It’s based on a sample-size of one. There’s no long-term commentary provided by MBFC because their entire ratings system and commentary is based on sampling a small number of articles (we don’t know which ones) and going off of what goes wrong within that sample.
It’s also reflecting the problem of a US-based bias assessment website: it suggests that ideas within the US Overton window are “correct” will those shared by the Global South are “less correct.”
From what I can tell, some of the problem is what they assume the basic level of skill is for readers. A few weeks ago, I posted a story about SCMP reporting on a research study published in Science. Members of this community failed to find it, despite being told the subject, authors, where it was published, and when it was published. That’s not poor sourcing, but poor research ability on behalf of the readers.
@moderator:
Continuing to argue with a mod who has made their decision will not win you any favors. Keep it up and you’ll get a ban on top of having your shitty links removed, oh, wait, you’ve already been banned for abusing the report feature. I can easily extend that.
@naturalgasbad
But again, MBFC’s entire commentary on SCMP’s issues is reliant on this single sentence from a single article. It’s inherently because MBFC relies on a small sample set of each site to determine a rating because they lack the manpower and the educational foundation to provide comprehensive analysis of a news source. Either way, that article was an editorial, not a news report. (In any cases, SCMP is commenting on Chinese reports written in Chinese, which American readers struggle to find because they don’t speak Chinese).
[The [U.S. import ban] has been taken without evidence being provided.]
Unlike SCMP’s reporting, Polygraph is unable to source the article this claim can be found in. From the articles I can find that, SCMP is comnenting based on this statement:
[The ban creates a “rebuttable presumption” that any Xinjiang goods were tainted by the use of forced labour – a “guilty until proven innocent” principle that effectively inverts US customs laws related to forced labour]
In fact, Ad Fontes’ media bias chart considers SCMP to be “reliable” (reliability score of 41.56 on a 0-64 scale) and “centrist” (bias score of -3.3 on a scale of -42 - 42). This is on par with Al Jazeera (41.65, -6.71) and New York Times (41.92, -7.96) and better than Washington Post (38.08, -8.69). (Ad Fontes also has issues, but your obsession with MBFC in particular is a little odd).
@moderator:
7 day ban. Want to go for 30?
@naturalgasbad:
I cited Ad Fontes. Feel free to criticize their methodology.
@moderator:
30 days. Keep going.
@naturalgasbad:
So… Do you not like Ad Fontes’ methodology, then?
@moderator:
And permaban. Good luck on your next account.
Children, please stop fighting.
Wow. What a terrible mod lmao.
“Here’s my point”
-Ban
“Here’s another point”
-Longer ban
Are they 13?
It’s only going to get worse now that the mods are using fresh alt accounts.
no we can’t use our real ones or we’ll possibly get dcma’d
I removed the comment for publically posting direct messages of a moderator which is in violation of rule 6 but as things are now changing I did not realize that rule was changing. So I am very sorry for deleting your comment we had been told many months ago that appealing a comment or post that was removed is for the meta communities like lemmy.world/c/moderators or lemmy.world/c/support however many times a user will send me a message to talk about it and i have often gone back and restored.
Going forward I won’t be deleting comments regarding moderators and hope that we can have a great community to discuss current events
Wow… looks like a Reddit mod leaked into Lemmy.
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This does not sit well with me.
A shadowy figure, who hides their own account has taken over the community?
We’re going back to reddit powermod drama at this rate.
Anyone know of some good alternative news communities? I’m happy to switch over asap.
Anyone know of some good alternative news communities? I’m happy to switch over asap.
Beehaw.org but its server is based in the US, and lemmy.ml but you know…
You give me too much credit.
Check the amount of abuse Jordan Lund has gotten recently from spam accounts on our site modlog, and you should understand why I choose to make an alt instead. Among other reasons, of course.
It’s the Internet, you’ll get death threats and abuse for posting a cat gif or saying you enjoy pineapple on pizza.
At the end of the day, these are anonymous accounts and you’ve gone beyond even that and it’s concerning.
I’ve been trying to get the other lemmy.ml worldnews mods to tone down their moderation on that community under the principle that if someone’s comment is offensive, they should get called out for it instead of having their comments immediately removed. We’ll see what happens lol
Good luck, I want to dunk on the racist comments but they get removed before I can.
Hiding their main account and modding from an alt account is a choice they made because their main user name includes the name of an IP neither they, nor lemmy, have the legal right to use in a professional setting.
Using an alt is to limit liability, not to hide anything. It’s a good idea. We don’t want anyone to get sued because a username rose to prominance.
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=297128
This is why there’s new mods
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What makes you say that
Is that why he’s spamming !politics@lemmy.ml with US internal news lately? The place has been terrible to navigate now.
I just find it ironic that the mods here implemented a rule that forbids spamming of posts by one person. Then this former mod? goes on to do exactly that at !politics@lemmy.ml
jordanlund and YoBuckStopsHere are terrible mods who have a complete lack of communication with the rest of the mod team.
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That guy was always posting a lot. He just moved instances
Yes that’s true, i noticed that too. But that community is for world news, not just US news.
I mean i understand posting about US news a few times, but he is flooding the community twice a day with between maybe 10 to 15 posts all about US internal news. I might be over- or underestimating but I’m not going to go back to count.
It’s been horrible, he’s been flooding the zone with shit ever since he’s been demodded here.
I would like to see this community remain focused on world news and not permit US internal based news, especially going into an election year… There’s already a solid, active community for that and seems entirely unnecessary to bring here. Having country tags required for titles would be nice.
Also heavily in favor of the submission statement idea that was mentioned in one of your comments.
At this point, maybe the solution is to just ban US news sources and call it a day lmao
World news should be international.
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I don’t see a need to change. It’s never been an issue.
It would be nice if we required the country name in the title
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We will consider it.
It’s going to be very much a trial and error process, which is why the rule changes will be approached slowly and with the utmost care.
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Will this be a pro Palistine or pro Israel site now? I need to know which side so I don’t get banned for not following the hivemind.
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How about a pro-credible-news site now?
Ah soak so pro-Palestinian, good choice.
If Israel starts allowing independent journalists in and stops killing journalists…
Individual moderators will have their personal opinion, but we will absolutely not conduct our moderation based on our personal stances and will aim to be fair.
In other words, neither, but you are encouraged discuss civilly and to provide sources to back up your claims in your comments.
Let’s see what happens—unsubscribing until I see positive change.
As long as articles provide sufficient evidence to seem credible they should all be allowed. Dunking on Hamas is fine as long as they actually did the thing they’re being accused of. 40 beheaded babies didn’t really do that hot with the evidence.
In general, a lot of “news” ends up being bullshit spun around a single organization or think tank’s position under the guise of independent journalism.
Welcome to American news.
u just posted an article that “presumes” idf is stealing organs. no real evidence. this smell of hypocracy is it not.
The IDF stole and even dug up 80+ bodies from and near a hospital. Why did the IDF steal dead bodies according to you? They have admitted to stealing skin and organs from dead bodies in the past too after one doctor leaked it.
Video and photo evidence of stolen bodies was provided. And of course the hospital director invited and allowed an independent investigation which got blocked by israel.
This isn’t some baseless made up IDF lie like the mass rapes or beheaded babies that relies solely on “witness” statements which have now shown to be contradifting and likely false.
I’d like to propose an addition to rule 1: no linking liveblogs that don’t permalink (Al Jazeera, CNN, probably others). It’s impossible to discuss an article that has been pushed three or four screens below the fold by other articles.
Ctrl+F?
Noted. I would suggest that you use an archive link in not as a replacement but in addition to the link submission to ensure the article in question can be seen in the future.
Mods are so cute: denying that Israel is committing genocide, removing comments that say as much, and calling it “misinformation.”
how do u, the mods, feel about the current hostile state of this sub towards pro-israel/jews/israelis/zionists?
“How do you feel about people being hostile to supporters of genocide?”
see what I mean, mods?
Maybe introducing a mod rotation be a good idea.
It prevents burnout; reduces escalation (if mod is not on allowed to do any mod work during switch out)Can you be more specific about what you feel should be changed?
Everything is up for discussion, while we will still take a hardline against hateful rhetorics. I think the rules can be simplified and made easier to understand and follow, instead of feeling arbitrary.
The top items that I feel should be discussed:
- Title must match headline. Unnecessary on Lemmy since preview already includes titles, and titles are editable on Lemmy.
- Restriction on US internal news. I don’t think it has overwhelmed this community Lemmy in the same way that it has reddit, so I would like to see the effects of removing this rule.
- Better definition of what count as opinion articles. I feel that with the removal of !politics@lemmy.world being US only, this should help the two communities complement each other and not step on each other’s toes.
- Reliance on MBFC as an objective measure of objectivity.
- Roles and involvement of moderators in the community.
it’s already a “us perspective on the world”. And half of it is “biden says middel east X”. Allow US internal news in an election year and murder the sub.
I think title should approximately match headline, or at least text in the article. Additional commentary is a little annoying to moderate.
US internal news was a bigger problem for Reddit, but I think this community is a bit more international. Maybe blocking US news from US sources? If something is big enough to hit international headlines, it’s probably important.
The current mods are strongly against op-eds, so …
MBFC is really not that great a measure of objectivity, but really I think there is no good measure of objectivity given that the “truth” (e.g. Iraq had WMDs and thus the invasion of Iraq is justified) is fluid.
I don’t think moderators should be the arbitrator of truth in a community, but an arbitrator of what’s offensive/hate speech.
- Depending on how you access lemmy, this may not be the case. It certainly isn’t for me.
That said, I would rather have titles be non-clickbaity. Maybe require titles to be non-clickbait and without commentary.
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Pass. There’s a ton of US news communities already. If it doesn’t affect the rest of the world, it’s not world news.
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MBFC is… Meh? Their definitions of left / right bias seem to be very American and could probably use some adjusting. It’s useful but shouldn’t be the golden rule.
MBFC doesn’t even match the other media bias/credibility sites like Ad Fontes. It’s a crapshoot because the person running that site is basically a nobody with zero credibility themselves.
Half the articles here are already “what does the US think about the world?”
I don’t think the restriction on US internal news is actually accomplishing anything useful
One consideration: what about reporting on international relations involving the US?
If the US does/doesn’t fund military aid for Ukraine, is that about Ukraine or the US?
It seems that leaving the title free will only open the door for posters to title it with their opinion on the news article. The usefulness of this sub as a news aggregator will degrade into yet another source of punditry.
It makes sense to have some kind of accountability for the quality of the source as well. MBFC is imperfect, but I’m not sure what other metric you would use in disputes. What do you suggest as a replacement?
If you’re going to allow US news then for the love of puppies include a rule that requires the subject to include the country.
Good point. Will definitely take into consideration.
This should honestly be a thing whether or not US internal news gets approved.
So you wish to turn this into another US news community? Not interested, there’s way too much US-centric stuff online already.
The first rule could be improved as well, demanding non-clickbaity titles instead.
https://lemmy.world/post/10066374
This article which is US news has been here for a day. I don’t really see the reasoning for the restriction to US News away from World News on Lemmy, since lemmy.ml allows US News on !worldnews@lemmy.ml, and the community was not overran by US news.
Non-clickbait title is harder to enforce, because it is very much a “know it when you see it” type. I’m thinking that we will ask submitters to modify their titles first in these situations instead.
Maybe a restriction to US news that’s reported internationally?
