I’ve recently been wondering if Lemmy should switch out NGINX for Caddy, while I hadn’t had experience with Caddy it looks like a great & fast alternative, What do you all think?

EDIT: I meant beehaw not Lemmy as a whole

  • diamond (she/they)@beehaw.org
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    2 years ago

    People comment a lot on performance, but I think Caddy can (and should) hold up perfectly fine. It might be worth it to experiment with running servers half on Caddy and half on NGINX, then see how the traffic is being handled by both to compare.

    I do think the much cleaner config makes up for the maybe slight performance loss, though. It’s just so much less work to set up and maintain compared to NGINX. The last time I’ve used NGINX was years ago, when I decided to drop it entirely in favor of Caddy. I do think NGINX is only “standard” because it came before Caddy, and that most applications should not prefer it over Caddy.

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    2 years ago

    One more thing I forgot to mention. The nginx 500 errors people are getting on multiple Lemmy sites could improve shortly with the release of 0.18 that stops using websockets. Right now Lemmy webapp is passing those through nginx for every web browser client.

    • Cinnamon@beehaw.orgOP
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      2 years ago

      I think there are, but there would need to be testing done, on the surface it seems to be a much simpler proxy than nginx. And doesn’t use the same architecture as Nginx

    • Cinnamon@beehaw.orgOP
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      2 years ago

      It does actually, NGINX likes to drop connections when it gets overwhelmed, Caddy prefers to slow down the connection and respond when it can.

      • chris@l.roofo.cc
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        2 years ago

        This might be true but appservers and DBs usually give up way before nginx.

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      2 years ago

      While I can’t speak for others, I’ve found NGINX to have weird issues where sometimes it just dies. And I have to manually restart the systemd service.

      The configuration files are verbose, and maybe caddy would have better performance? I hadn’t investigated it much

      EDIT:

      Nginx lacks http3 support out of the box

      • Illecors@lemmy.cafe
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        2 years ago

        nginx was built for performace, so I doubt caddy would have any significant different in regards to that. I’ve not found config verbosity to be a problem for me, but I guess to each their own. I’m aware I may come across as some gatekeeper - I assure you that is not my intention. It just feels like replacing a perfectly working, battle testing service with another one just because it’s newer is a bit of a waste of resources. Besides - you can do it yourself on your instance. It’s just a load balancer in front of a docker image.

        • Cinnamon@beehaw.orgOP
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          2 years ago

          Isn’t caddy battle tested too? And looking into alternatives is not really a waste of resources. It just feels like nginx is not as reliable and likes to drop requests. It’s not just a load balancer, mind you.

            • Cinnamon@beehaw.orgOP
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              2 years ago

              I mean not on my personal server, my personal server keeps dying all the time and I got tired of it. I haven’t looked into the logs. But I meant with the recent influx of reddit users, I saw beehaw and lemmy.ml also have 500 errors.

              • Illecors@lemmy.cafe
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                2 years ago

                Right. If you’re getting a 500 (I suspect 502 - bad gateway) you’re not dropping requests. That is lemmy itself crapping its pants. Nginx simply tells you the target behind it is doing something wrong. Happens when the lemmy software get overwhelmed.