But my work is only measured in the time I sell them.
For me, it’s very much cyclical: when there is a project going, there are so many people counting on you that pretty much every minute counts, and the cost of mistakes is always high. It’s during these times that time management skill is critical and you need people on the team who’s job is to manage everybody’s time and make sure things gets done, but even with that, the long hours are unavoidable. I don’t think it’s something to brag about, it’s the nature of the job.
But when there is no project going, it feels like there is really not much to do all day, sometimes even the task of finding things to do is a struggle, so you do whatever you want until the next project starts.
Aren’t you taking a break from movies?
From acting.
Producing is still work.
What about people that complain about how long they work (yeah, I do have some suboptimal time management skills, and I’m a little sensitive about it)?
My childhood friends started saying that anyone working after noon on Friday is disorganized and I think it’s beautiful.
I already finished all my work for the sprint that ends on Tuesday. It’s Thursday at noon currently.
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It don’t matter how organized I am, my boss sees I’m done by noon on a friday he’ll give me more service calls, shop time or some other job to do.
That’s not the type of job they are referring to.
They’re referring to jobs where you have overarching goals and deliverables but aren’t logging actions to the event, or to the hour.
I’ve had jobs like yours and steady, dependable, maintainable pace is the way to get through the week. Don’t over promise, don’t look available for random new tasks.
At my current gig I have tasks issued at the 2 week level, and aside from very rare requests for assistance or discussion, I’m left to my to-do list, and my predetermined commitments. If I consistently meet my commitments, and show up for scheduled meetings, no one gives a shit when I actually work. It’s great but requires the right environment.
Just don’t say you’re done with your work.
That only works until the last call I did calls to pay their bill and now the office knows I’m done my work. I usually just suck it up and take more work, I’d hoestly rather that than twiddle my thumbs for a few hours.
Oh, I see. My work only knows I’m done by when I move my tickets to complete on Jira, so I just leave them as in progress until my due date. I work from home, so I just watch TV or play video games while sitting near my work laptop to respond to emails or chat messages in the meantime.
Living the dream!
Twiddle your thumbs? You need some hobbies my dude. There is more to life than constantly working.
I mean moreso twiddle my thumbs while on the clock. If im at work I’d rather be working than just killing time.
That’s where you’re going wrong, you still need to pretend you’re doing work
That’s why you develop the talent of looking busy while not doing shit.
Wow, Sounds like you really need to work on your time management skills.
Must be nice to not have billable hours to worry about…
It is. You should try to move to a career where you sell the results of your labor, not the time it takes to achieve them. Easier said than done, I know. Good luck!
I think I would have to get a govt job in my career path to be able to do that. I’ve considered it, but idk if I really want to or not.
Until recent times, I’ve always thought a govt job was a good thing to have.
Still is, but the constant threat of government shutdowns, in the US at least, as of late, make me feel you need to live below your means and keep a decent chunk of 3 to 6 months pay, because you could suddenly be without pay for a good chunk of time because some idiots think they score political points, or will get their way, by hurting citizens.
That’s a very good point… it seems like every time the national budget is up for renewal, those Republican clowns threaten to fuck everyone over. Bastards, the lot of them!
What is this anti worker propaganda on .ml? Your fellow worker is brainwashed by the capitalist state and instead of seeking to build solidarity with them you mock them? How about sympathizing with their excessive workload and likely lacking compensation and eventually introducing that a different system would not require that from them?
The point is to normalize not working extra hours so companies stop expecting it. It’s not anti-worker at all.
Yes, but the joke implies that it’s the person’s own fault that they’re working too much, which very often it isn’t, at least in the USA from what I’ve heard.
This of course refers mostly to salaried workers, as, at least in the us, hourly gets overtime pay at 1.5x normal pay. Up to an extent, many workers appreciate the extra pay.
Not always though, as even then, some companies want lower workforce, and will work them half to death.
Appreciate you adding that last sentence, but ideally no one would work more even for additional pay. People need time to recuperate and enjoy life and in the current system often just getting by requires overtime pay. I’ve worked in both types of positions, and though I’m glad overtime and holiday pay exist in our current system, often the people working more or over the holidays are the most desperate or marginalized.
I think the OP sentiment was directed towards salaried workers because I’ve basically never heard hourly workers talk about it in this way or context. I think the reason salaried employees brag about long hours is largely due to the fact that they might not be getting additional compensation so are at least trying to get social capital in exchange for their time.
“Not normalizing” comes in many forms and this one seems hostile to fellow workers. Approaching it from a place of empathy is far more likely to help than a place of blame. It’s not the workers fault. It’s a systemic problem and the first step to helping someone realize that is to open their eyes to the fact that they are struggling for no reason other than that the institution demands it, not that they are the problem.
Relax, slave, it’s just a joke.
Is the slave comment supposed to imply that I might be working more than I should? I’m literally saying it’s a bad thing that it happens but we should be sympathetic to people who don’t yet realize that and show them that they are being exploited. I don’t see how this is funny, as there is no punchline or set up or anything. I don’t think everyone needs to agree about comedy but I was sharing my opinion on this sentiment.
What about the part where a valid criticism is an antiwork propaganda to you?
The issue is that the criticism is generally not valid. If you’re criticizing a colleague for poor time management because they legitimately have poor time management, fine, whatever. It’s not something I would do, but there may be cases in which that is done. In the context of this meme, it is likely not the individuals fault that they are overworked. It is likely a systemic failure that foists too many tasks on each individual worker. Generally, the people “bragging” about working additional hours are not poor performing employees, but people that are dedicated to their job or the company, and believe that the additional hours will help them advance their careers. Approaching it from a place of “if you are a good worker, they should treat you better, not worse” rather than shaming the individual is most likely to help them see the issue with that sentiment. Also, I’m pretty sure it was just a spelling error, but just to be clear I believe this is anti-worker, not anti-work.
Also, it is a time management issue, on a cultural level. Try getting Germans to stay past their shift they’ll tell you to get better at managing. Not their department, not their problem.
Thinking “fixing this requires a socialist revolution” honestly is part of the problem: Organise to fix the issue, there, workers will see that issues can be fixed, fix more that comes up, and they’ll both be emboldened and educated about their strength. Foreplay before sex.
The fact that you suggest it’s a cultural issue and then state it can be rectified by organizing is exactly my point. This person is essentially shaming the individual worker for falling prey to a cultural and systemic problem.
I never said we need a socialist revolution. In this context I left system open ended, but you can’t effectively organize anything with people you’re hostile to and unwilling to build solidarity with. I don’t think a socialist revolution is likely or even necessary, but more empathy is. The OP sentiment is not foreplay, it’s outright rejection. It seems like we are actually in agreement.
This person is essentially shaming the individual worker for falling prey to a cultural and systemic problem.
And that’s not a way to change culture because…? It’s “if your friends jumped from a bridge” in disguise.
Shame is not as effective as offering support, especially since the root cause of the behavior is not necessarily in the persons control. Working additional hours might be seen as a requirement in some fields, so you might be shaming them into not talking about the issue, but the best way to actually solve the problem would likely be to empathize with them and change their perspective.
If someone is in an abusive relationship and they mention the abuse to someone, shaming them for being in that relationship and subjecting themselves to that behavior is unlikely to fix anything. Offering them compassion and support and safe alternatives is demonstrably more effective. Shame is likely to make them more defensive about their choices or stop talking about the abuse they suffer entirely, especially if the issue is not entirely in their control. I think similar behavior and responses would be elicited in the case of working relationships as well. 
You’re talking individual, not group psychology. Chances are that in a group someone will laugh, others chuckle, and the person directly addressed will not be individually offended because you made a joke. Deflated, maybe, yes, but that’s par for the course when bragging. Which is what OP’s post talks about. If you go all “dear, dear” on people doing that they’ll definitely be offended.
Ok yeah maybe but can we all stop writing our witty tweets in the same format? “normalize [abnormal thing]” is not only getting old, it probably is not effective at all
Purely anecdotal evidence, but enough people telling me to normalize it has convinced me to tell coworkers my salary.
I doubt anyone else is thinking about it as much as you tbh
Tbh i think there are a fair amount that think it’s a tired form of expressing sentiments like that.
Isn’t the goal of a post like this to get people thinking? If it’s the same ol’ same ol’, it’s easier to tune out.
You’re more than welcome to downvote and move on.
Hey, I’m just trying to normalize better ways to call for normalization.
My CW gets to work at 630 am despite having absolutely no reason to do so as the role she does doesn’t start until 8 and she’s just there to check people in, and stays late to sanitize her desk every day. I wander in at 829 and clock out at 423. Fuck it. I’m in a union for a reason.
Snark vs snark. Just say “wow thats crazy haha”
My coworkers give me shit for not working late all the time. Like, I work late when I absolutely have to or get permission to make up missed time. I refuse to stay just because lol.
Have you tried hating your home life?
I have not. Think I should give it a try…?
At my last job, I would clock-watch like a kid in school and bolt out of there when it got to be 5. No fucking way was I staying there any longer than I had to.
Same tho. Like, I do my job well when I am expected to work and work over when absolutely necessary. I think that’s good enough lol.
Soon I’m going to be part of our safety management team, I respect this type of attitude. I don’t want all of our employees being exhausted all day, that’s dangerous. Go home, get rest, relax, come back 100% tomorrow. Any other attitude is unsustainable and irresponsible. I do appreciate the need to SOMETIMES work overtime. I’d really like to understand the positive feedback loop that’s involved with excessive overtime but that’s not my specific field of study.
Them mofos need to get a fuggin life
Ikr??
Your coworkers shame you for not donating your time to the company?
Seems pretty fucked up. sounds like yall need a union rep.Do they just hate their life that much? I feel nothing but pity for those fools.
Better yet, offer to help them with their time management. That way, it’s a positive and friendly offer, not an overt criticism. And it jams in a little more condescension.
I had someone boast that they had all their vacation days at the end of the year because they were so “devoted”. I just said it seems they have bad time management since this time off was included in schedules.
So very illegal around here.
Is here too. So they had to take a whole month off in one go due to bad planning of holiday time.
I end up with a lot of extra because I get comp time instead of overtime and we’re critically understaffed.
what a tool
Yeah, I’ve got tons of PTO accrued and it only makes shit awkward as now I need to slowly use it up
Think of it this way. Every time you got a raise you made money, because all of that accrued PTO is now worth more $$$ per hour.
My time management is great. I do my job and the job of the person underneath me, because we can’t find anyone worth a damn.
Make sure you highlight this in your one on one discussions with your manager and get compensated. You’re doing two jobs- your employer should not be taking advantage of you. Get paid my friend.
Nawh he’s the problem, complain? Attitude problem. We’ll find a new guy for half the salary and not tell him what he’s getting into.
Nah, we document every fuck up, and sit him down for a come to Jesus moment
Are you all looking for work now? Lol.
I actually had to do something like that with a co worker once, we hired a lemon and nobody believed us that he didn’t do any work lol.
I honestly work at a company that would fit most ideals for the average anti-work/work-reform subscriber.
Unlimited PTO, with minimum PTO usage requirements. Free medical. They pay for my gym membership. They pay for tampons for my household. Full time remote. I hold equity in the company. Annual performance bonuses. And they disclose the financials of just about everything to employees. It’s pretty wild
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I always wondered how bragging about how long you worked was considered by some as a good thing. The “higher ups” must have used some fancy tricks to get people to think that way. It never worked on me though :)
Management was handing out bullshit busywork recently, and some people were complaining. Then some guy was like “they pay my salary, so I do whatever they want!”
What kind of bullshit wage slave mentality is that? I am the vendor in this scenario, my employer is paying for the privilege of using my services. There can be terms and conditions from both parties of that deal, and if they’re incompatible the deal is off.
Ah I have the attitude of “you’re free to pay me engineer money to do this, but I’m leaving at 4 whether I was productive or doing weird bullshit you decided on.“
Sure, if there’s a business need for cleaning the office toilets I’ll stop coding and do it for a day.
In this case it’s “everyone needs to spend a few weeks getting points in the training portal, we don’t care what you do in there as long as you get points”. This clearly doesn’t fulfill any business need, people just do whatever BS is the least effort per point. And as you might expect from an internal training portal, spending 20 minutes in that thing makes me want to stab myself.
Again, if there’s a business need for it that’s a different story, but useless mandates just to jerk people around are a deal breaker.
Ok that’s fair. I’m an engineer and I’ve told my line workers consistently that I’ll never ask them to do something I wouldn’t be willing to do, and at times I do have to help out because shit happens when you’ve got a skeleton crew. Hell I spend some days fabricating my designs.
And yeah I’d love good training. Teaching me actionable skills. Or just send me to grad school or give me a subscription to my professional organization and let me read their magazine on the job. Hell, throw IEEE in there, they’ve always got something to say. But no I’ve spent days doing the training portal bullshit on everything from “here’s how to deal with the fact that technically you’re an arms trafficker, don’t do treason and don’t think about how you’re a legitimate military target” to “watch a too damn long video about workplace sexual harassment that was clearly not written by anyone who’s ever seen a factory floor” and it just made me want to bash my brain in.
See, those are needed for compliance/CYA. That has business value, so I can work with that. What I’m referring to here is just training on useless stuff for the sake of racking up points.
Modern day life is a competition, people always want to “1 up” the previous person. This is prevalent in society, don’t overthink it
I always wondered how bragging about how long you worked was considered by some as a good thing.
Somebody invented “Employee of the Month” and our competitive habits took over.
I never thought about this before, but if I worked somewhere and they gave me an ‘employee of the month’ award, it would piss me off because it would make me feel like I was being a kissass somehow.
Guessing you weren’t desperate to please someone. Gotta kiss ass to move up!
I think people believe it is a sign you are striving to excel or that you care about the work you are doing.
In my case I think I talk about how much overtime I work because I got insecurities about my productivity drilled into me as a child with undiagnosed ADHD. Constantly being told you don’t work hard enough regardless of the effort you put in will give you some weird hangups. I think subconsciously its about needing external validation that the time you put in was adequate, or insecurity around ‘work ethic’
I can relate to that. I’m extremely glad I broke that habit. They told me when they needed me. I did what needed to be done within reasonable expectations. My failure past that point is on workload
My time management is poor because my project managers is even worse
Do you brag about your long hours, or do you complain about the lack of predictability from management? Only the former matches the statement in the quote.
Bragging is subjective.
Some take my bitching and moaning that I was up all night working on ____ because the project is a complete mess and they wanted it today as “bragging”.
Its performance review time, i hate myself and rent is expensive.
