… its a website run by the US Government. Why does it have such large downtimes in this day and age?
In Finland you can access your info and do online forms any time of the day. The information gets updated when it gets and the site has the newest version available at the time. When they do maintenance, they inform it couple of days before on the website.
I for one am ready for a public servant AI that gives you form Y34-b and sends you to another AI that then tells you it should’ve been form Y34-a and only the third AI can fix it but they’re currently on vacation so you’ll have to comeback another time on a Monday or Wednesday between 10:00 and 10:30am.
In my experience, it frequently doesn’t work within posted hours either
cries in SSIthe university I attended freshman year was ranked top 10 in the US for comp sci (at least as of 4 years ago), yet some of their account management stuff on their website wouldn’t be accessible after like 7pm. absolutely insane
Massive frame batch processing is the usual reason.
And before it ask why not replace it, the short answer outs it is complicated.
It might be a question better speed in eli5.
…so it would be stupid if this works, but it’s a stupid problem in the first place, so try changing the time on your computer to be within their operational hours.
I recall cheesing videogames with that back in the day, and the UI of a halfway decent videogame would put most govt web design to shame. Worth a shot?
That’s not going to work on a website with restrictions like this. The restriction is set on the web server, not on the client. Limiting client access by what time it is where THEY are is not a thing.
On one hand, this seems unlikely to work because it’s easier to check the server’s clock for the time. On the other, it’d be a mistake to expect the government to take the straightforward option when there’s a perfectly good ass-backwards way to screw it up.
^this guy govts
The hours unavailable:
Day Time Offline Start Stop Monday - Friday 4 hours 1am 5am Saturday 6 hours 11pm 5am Sunday 8½ hours 11:30pm 8am Total 34½ hours/week The first one sounds like “scheduled maintenance” gone awry. Like for something that takes 5 minutes to run that you tell your boss will take an hour, who tells his boss it’ll take two hours, boss then says “let’s double that to be safe”.
I wanna know WHY it is unavailable. Does the system crash if there’s not enough paper in the dot-matrix printer? Are the HTTP responses being filled out manually in real time?
We have the same for the tax system in Sweden. The reason there is multi part but two big ones are:
Guarantees around how long time processing your tax information will take. But this gets harder if your information comes in at off hours since the tax information still needs a human stamp of approval (which really is making sure the system didn’t flag it as manual review which happens at random and if there are discrepancies)
The second, related one, is that they do batch processing at night and while they could queue data for the next day doing so would require a rewrite of the law guaranteeing a certain processing time, since if your data comes in after the start of the batch run it won’t run until the next day, which would be hard to properly inform people about in a way they’ll accept. Better then to simply not accept it then.
It’s like saying “This law ensures your application will be processed in 48hrs” then everyone rejoice and vote! But instead of adding more manpower to process they limit the application coming in. Sneaky.
While I get your point I don’t really agree. This law/requirement on the tax agency predates digital tax forms and is the same if you send in on paper. It’s more about how they don’t want to make things more complicated by having different rules for different media. It’s still so much more simple to use the digital forms / system and very few people actually need these systems online during the night and even fewer companies. The benefit is simply far outweighed by the cost. Remember it would be tax payers that have to pay for the system being available 24/7 with everything that entails in increased support costs and infrastructure costs due to the higher SLA levels required from all parties involved.
Having worked for social security for 5 years, and now 20 years in IT, I’m totally not surprised. No idea what part of this website is, but you can either afford redundancies or downtown.
Come on. If you actually worked for social security you have to know why. It’s is related to mainframe batch processing.
But I can see why you might say what it did. Maybe you think it seems cooler to simply dump on the government it meant your 20 years of experience is 1 year repeated 290 times. So really 1 year of experience but you just got older.
…aand, we’re back to Web 0.0.
By the way, is this how most sites are going to work in Metaverse?
It’s probably going to feel more like Watson in that Sherlock Holmes videogame
Probs yeah. Though you’ll see it in VR!
I’m going to have a guess and suggest that the website is probably integrated with some much older mainframe system and a batch process or several batch processes run daily overnight to shuttle data between the two systems to keep them updated and in sync.
Syncing the two sets of data while the database is live and changing is a pain the the bum, so they freeze it while the data transfers are taking place.
This is the real answer. Main frame batch processing.
And till you haven’t experienced it, it seems like an excuse. Why can’t you simply do it all the time. Why can’t you get rid of the mainframe, etc.
But if only it were that easy. There is a reason IBM can still acquire multi billion dollar companies and then run them into the ground.
My company has maybe a couple million customers and can’t get rid of its mainframe and in areas that it’s gotten the process away from the mainframe, batch patronizing is still a thing. Because that is the only way to guarantee integrity.
So yea. I wish your comment gets more up votes. Because it is not a conspiracy, it is a technical limitation.
I like working with legacy systems. Post something, go fart around on your phone for fifteen minutes while you wait for it to post.
I had to do some legacy app modernization for one of the largest telecoms companies in the US, and their mainframe system and the UI, while ugly, performed so much faster than the modern approach.
Given, we weren’t the most talented team out there, but rendering the UI on the server side was unmatched in performance versus what we could get out of a web browser. I was the UI guy so I didn’t really touch mainframe side, but it was wild to me that they made this system like 30 years ago and it worked so much better than our modern implementation
I’m not sure whether I want to work with your team or not, considering all fifteen of those minutes farting I get to bill to the client
lol i was more or less just remarking on the fact that yes mainframe and other legacy apps are pretty old, however that does not mean that they’re necessarily worse than a modern implementation
Its the conspiracy of capitalism. If nothing else this is another example of how megacorps have more say in government operations that the entire population.
It can be, but it’s also an issue of “move fast and break things” doesn’t work in all environments.
You don’t want your bank to have an oops with your checking account, or your medical records to get messed up because someone didn’t code it well enough. If it works and is stable, there needs to be a demonstrable benefit and a guarantee that it will keep working when moving to a newer system. Usually on a budget of “what do you mean you need a budget, just do it”.
This also explains, very basically, why financial systems are the way they are. The backend is ancient but they know how it works so it stays the same and we see it’s weird quirks all the time.
More like, they know of they try to change, and their is an issue and people’s statements payments are at risk, it’s their ass.
Oh it’s hugely risky. I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to change it. But most people don’t know it’s all held together with duck tape and bubblegum.
Maybe it is easier to negate attacks if they only have the system available during working hours?
I’ve seen websites of local stores in the bible belt that weren’t reachable on sundays, but a government site not working at certain times is just weird and backwards.
Well damn, that web server has a good union.
Most government sites from NY also keep business hours
I asked my family’s lawyer about it and he said that the time open and closed is a law. So they have to “close down” certain sites at certain times to comply with those laws
Great, so some governments operate like a fridge in Sabbath Mode
What exactly does Sabbath mode do? Is it like a burst of deep freeze so the appliance can power down Fri-Sat and stay cold, or what?
Asking as a renter with Sabbath mode on the fridge in my apartment.
Orthodox Jews aren’t allowed to interact with certain things on the Sabbath, so the temperature display is turned off and other stuff is automated so no adjustments can be made on that day.
That’s stupid.
You should only pay taxes for purchases/income during their business hours then.
Could be too limit the number of requests that ultimately ended up needing to be processed by a “real human”. Knowing government that was human might be literally some person in the back transcribing the digital requests to paper so that some technophobe boss can review or file it…
That would funnel all the requests to the same 8hs at day, instead of letting them distribute on the entire of the day.
Maybe they need to send you your http request manually
