I don’t care if anyone has a Xiaomi, Oneplus, Samsung, etc. Each brand is using a modified version of Android, and they chose to be compatible with each other. But for example the “blue vs green bubble” drama is a thing specifically because of Apple locking their unsuspecting users into a closed ecosystem. And it sure isn’t Android’s fault for not being compatible with it.
The more power a company like this gains, the worse will it be for the whole industry.
“blue vs green bubble” drama
is not real… it’s some bullshit marketing thing… nobody cares what kind of phone you have
It absolutely is real.
Source: my own experience for the last four years
Then you are hanging around with highschool kids that care what shoes you wear. I guaranty nobody working and living a proper life gives a shit on text bubble colours
They’re kids and plus most of it is subconscious. None of them are mean or anything about it. I can assure if I was to ask them, they’d all say it’s totally fine and they don’t mind at all and they understand, but still they end up sending one less text because they have negative feelings associated with it and thus their brain brings it up a little less.
Maybe nobody working gives a shit right now, but if this is how the kids are growing up, it’s gonna keep becoming a bigger problem
Then that is an education issue. Part of our curriculum was decoding advertising and marketing used to manipulate consumers. it seems this has to be readded at schools.
Those colors represent the type of message sent: encrypted or not encrypted. From a privacy point of view it’s important.
If you wamted privacy you would not be using the OS delivered messaging app that IOS can read anyway to flag CASM. And the group can screenshot and share. if you actually wanted privacy you would be using a tool like Session.
what have you experienced?
peers being frustrated because I have an android… being left out of group chats because people don’t wanna break their existing imessage groups… having to constantly bother people about not sending videos/images over text because they become a blurry mess… frequently apologizing just for having an android…
And also a general awareness I’ve developed that I have been left out of things… harder to know because, well, I was left out.
Mind you I am probably in the single worst location for this in terms of mindshare. By my unscientific observation, ~0.5% of students had an android at my school.
yeah, i was a poor kid in a rich school…
i really don’t think it’s the phone…if it was 1860, you’d be excluded for have a subpar quill and ink…
Does the year you were born start with “20”?
Yeah, defnitely not a thing in Brazil. We get rich idiots bragging about their iPhones, sure, but the text bubble thing never came over.
… Broadly because we don’t. Text in Brazil. We use WhatsApp or Telegram.
SMS/MMS was never really a thing here.
is not real…
tell that the social cliques in high school. its marketing and its real.
source: kids.
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its their lived experience and they are the future adults of our world.
if the insane amount of micro-targeted manipulation and pressure these kids face on a daily basis does not concern you, then your lack of empathy is self evident and there is nothing else to be said to you.
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No, you didn’t, or at least not at this level.
Sure, TV ads and even some old games had ads which were targeted to specific demographics (their audience), but modern digital ads are targeted to vulnerabilities of specific individuals (using location, search, purchase history, etc.). They’re also shown much more often and baked into products which are specifically designed to target your subconscious psychology (using nudging, gamification, etc.) so you use them more.
The kind of data required for the level of ad targeting done now did not exist more than maybe 15-20 years ago.
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Obviously every generation has its struggles, but I was never disagreeing with that. If you treat this as “just another generational problem,” you are fundamentally missing the point. It’s as you say, a whole different set of problems.
Micro targeted ads are hard to ignore because most of the time they’re influencing our subconscious state. This isn’t just another generational issue we’re facing, it’s fundamentally shaping the way people look at the world without them even being aware of it. It’s not limited to just the current generation, because everyone interacts with technology. However, targeting inner psychology will obviously impact people with less developed brains more than it will impact adults, and we’re beginning to see the effects of that already with Gen Z.
it’s marketing thus seems more real than it is.
there will always be kids who treat poor kids bad for not having the cool new expensive stuff…
but that’s a classist problem, not limited to phones.
see also: jeans, shoes, makeup, e-bikes, pokemon, everything else
also, all the really cool kids use signal messenger and don’t use stock text messaging apps…
oh, understood. just saying that the marketing of social shame has been strategically exended into the colour of your text bubble pixels… from the “think different” company.
signal gets installed on every phone in my house, but the kids are drawn to where the other kids are and Apple snobbery is rife in the area I am in.
well your kids are really cool…
i wonder how much is actually apple, and how much is standard classist kid stuff…
there was a recent hydroflask craze with the kids around here… with kids chanting “sks” (sound at the end of hydroflasks)
but, i think that’s just because they’re nicer quality and expensive…when i was a kid there was a big deal made about jean brands in my school…
I would say the majority of it is just the usual human monkey brained reactionary garbage that our species has always dealt with. the concerning bit is how our own brains have been weaponized against us with untold amounts of money and time expended in learning how to manipulate enough of us to extract and realocate “value” from the many to the few.
I think we are collectively building a benificial immune reaction to this invasion of our selves, but the attack is so pervasive and so persistent that it is, quite literally, mentally and physically debilitating - certainly by design. will we just exhaust ourselves into submission or change paths and try something that does not culminate in a species ending orgy of consumption and conflict? I have no idea, but very few of our possible futures look particularly hopeful to me at the moment.
I do, however, try to hold on to some thread of optimisim - I need a reason to get up in the morning.
I appreciate the dialogue, fellow internet denizen :-)
If it isn’t the phone, it is shoes, or other stupid shit. people grow up and the realize that none of that stupid shit matters
As a person who has never owned anything but android…you can’t possibly think Google is any less evil.
https://slrpnk.net/comment/6754380 Nobody is forcing me to buy their phones or their stock version of android though. A lot of people manage to live just fine with fully de-googled roms, installable even on google’s own phones.
And do those phones that have been degoogled solve the issue of all the slave labor along the production chain?
And even if you install a ROM… You’re still supporting them. You’re funding Google.
I’m sorry dude but you’re comparing apples to apples. They’re both horrible disgusting companies, and there really is no picking the morally correct side.
Yes, because not all Android phones are made in the same factory. There are brands with next to no slave labour.
Google is not a good company by any means, but when you buy their Pixel it’s your device. You can unlock its bootloader and install whichever OS you like. And even with the stock Android you’ve always been free to do anything. There are no features built into Android that lock you in and force the other side to buy one as well. Whereas Apple’s iMessage is available on iPhones only, peer pressuring others into buying one. Saying that buying an iPhone and an Android phone is morally the same is dishonest at the least. Especially since Android is just an open platform and each manufacturer is using their own modified version. Brands such as Xiaomi or Huawei went even beyond the software skin and optimized their ROMs to run especially well with their own hardware. If you buy an iPhone, you are forcing those around you into buying a specific device made by a specific company that loves playing Monopoly a bit too much.
Things you buy aren’t moral choices. If there is no ethical consumption under capitalism there must neither be any moral consumption under capitalism either.
Lol seriously. He’s literally trying to frame Google as the morally correct choice as opposed to the teensy bit less evil choice.
I will admit the openness is why I chose one disgustingly evil company over the other. You do have a point there. But there is no getting over the fact that Google is doing serious damage in many ways and just because you managed to uninstall all their spyware when you bought a pixel or any android device you are still funding that. You personally help them grow and become more of a problem for the Internet at large.
And I like that you completely glossed over the biggest point… That they both profit off of slave labor. And of course child labor.
But hey open software means slaves are not as bad right?
Like I said, an Android phone does not equal a Pixel made by Google. If you are concerned about where the resources used to manufacture your device are from, get a Fairphone and flash Lineage/CalixOS on it. That way you are “supporting” Google in the smallest possible way and you can still use a smartphone.
The FBI demonstrated during the San Bernardino shooting investigation that Apple must purposefully put backdoors in their devices, as the FBI was able to independently crack the phone, which isn’t possible without a backdoor or a security flaw so poor that a third-world hacker could access it with some level of effort or knowledge.
Do not trust Apple with your privacy, even less so than Google. At least Google will allow you to see everything they’ve collected on you and prevent random bad actors from accessing your data, which is something we can’t be sure of with apple. This isn’t about which is the more moral company, it’s about which is more dangerous to the consumer. Complete lack of control over your computing environment will only make sense in cases where you’re expected to have a complete lack of knowledge of computers and someone else does the thinking and manages your device.
The fbi contracted a third party to defeat the limit on passcode attempts so they could brute force the lock screen by having someone just sit there trying every possible code. My understanding is that it involved physical access to the device and the way that process is handled by the phone was reengineered shortly afterwards to prevent it from happening in the future.
That’s not a backdoor, that’s sawing the front door into pieces to avoid triggering the anti-tamper system on the hinges and lock.
If you want backdoor worries, look to the generations of apple chips with undocumented memory mapped io registers that were in development during that time period. But don’t think too hard about how arm chips are developed or why that got left in there or how. You may come to the undeniable conclusion that a natsec cutout is licensing slabs of arm feature silicon with backdoors built in.
This is not a defense of apple. Only a clarification that there wasn’t a backdoor found in the San bernidino phone, and that if you wanna be freaked out about back doors there’s better stuff to get crazy over.
Gotcha gotcha
Thanks for the clarification
if youre worried about backdoors and spying, its a good idea to start paying attention to the trade publications and training media made for reprehensible spooks.
they’ll say shit that makes you throw up in your mouth but you’ll never look at push notifications or sms the same way again.
Usually, they just copy the phone into a Virtual Machine and copy the machine millions of times to try every password.
More than you are implying. An Apple product means you have to buy from Apple. At least with android you can order a Fairphone. Which, while not perfect, is significantly better in the “slave labor” category.
Your phone privacy is owned by your isp and the OS maker. You arent doing the world any better being on android. Google is fucking awful too. Both are awful and should be broken up. They are way too large and powerful and only having 2 phone OSes in the world everyone runs made by 2 greeeeedy ass corporations is the problem neither of you can solve gloating about which evil corp you give money to to interact with modern society.
Show me a single Iphone running a custom ROM with no Apple shit on it.
Install GrapheneOS , it is degoogled, and security focused. if you want play store it runs inside a sandbox so Google isn’t in all your biz. Also has Mic and Camera shutoff options for the paranoid types.
So i support Google by using an open source OS? Just because your phone uses Android dosent mean it has any Google services included. Since Android itself is open source, there are many Android OSs that dont include any Google Software.
Technically, you support google when you buy a phone that ships with licensed android including all Google’s shitware preinstalled
Yeah, but unfortunately it is impossible to buy a phone without that
Used or refurbished phones already payed that once and will not pay it again. So technically, you are not giving a cent to google.
Thats my point.
Network effect. Same reason why you should use firefox (or alts) as much as possible over chromium (or alts).
I have one of each. I guess I’m Chaotic Evil.
This was exactly my point, I’m not lining up for an iPhone or an android. The lack of choice is what drives me to buy apple because when the time comes for a new phone it’s one or the other and I prefer the experience on iPhone. Really I would rather not give my money to either but there are no viable alternatives. I would not criticize anyone for buying android or apple, it’s a matter of what kind of shit sandwich do you want to eat, and it’s terrible.
I do miss Symbian smartphones. Nokia was the shit back then
Checkout sailfishOS. You can run android apps on it.
bro, the are android ROMs… there are ROMs whose entire thing is privacy and removing anything google. Saying they’re equal is making a bad faith argument “Apple and Google are evil so Android is evil” 😩
Android is much more open than Apple ever will be. They aren’t even in the same universe.
Is it Apple-bad time again?
Oh, right, I forgot, it’s ALWAYS Apple-bad time on lemmy.
Apple IS bad, but Jesus Christ
Not if you care about privacy and security, the environment (comparatively), user experience, industrial design, and any number of things that are important to tons of customers.
No company is perfect, nor are they beyond criticism. But the lemmy Apple-bad hive-mind is a bunch of people who can’t see past their Linux memes.
We’ll change to Apple-good time once Apple actually does something pro-consumer again.
No, you won’t.
Honestly, I also don’t like Android. But well, Linux phones are still lagging behind, which is a shame, or else I would have gone for one.
Isn’t android built off Linux?
iOS is a unix-like operating system too (but doesn’t use the linux kernel… also, linux isn’t really an operating system, it’s a kernel
In a rather unorthodox way, yes.
Android is one of those rare examples of a Linux kernel not being paired with GNU tools. I believe Android wrote their own versions of all the tools they wanted.
The kernel is also extremely locked down by default. They very intentionally designed the OS in such a way that every facet of the kernel is kept abstracted away from you. It’s about as black-boxed as you can get, to the point where the fact that it’s Linux underneath is almost meaningless.
And MacOS is BSD :)
It technically is, but “Linux” in Android’s case is meant as the kernel.
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cops can’t crack my iphone, but they can pop most androids instantly…
end of discussion
Shows cop a PinePhone with main partition encrypted with LUKS
i’m a big fan of pinephone and pine64…
Much of your data can just be subpoenaed and then provided to law enforcement without physical access however. Apple complies 90% of the time.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/sep/23/apple-user-data-law-enforcement-falling-short
Also, there are ways that LE can bypass your iphone’s encryption. Just doesn’t work all the time.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ag5yj/unlock-apple-iphone-database-for-police
GrapheneOS, based on AOSP, is really the only truly private and secure option. Android offering interoperability is not a downside and Apple having a walled garden does not mean it provides increased security. Apple is decidedly not transparent and this is ultimately not a good thing.
You’re talking about data stored in the apple cloud (I think without the account recovery turned off, but I’m not 100% on that). The same is true of googles cloud services.
Agencies haven’t been focusing on getting the actual texts that say “here I go, doing something you don’t like!” For quite a while because of the amount of variability involved. What I hear spooks talking about is building enough pc for a rubber hose interrogation with unsecured parallel data streams like push notifications.
They don’t need to. They have the keys.
NOW it’s the end of discussion.
After months of claiming that Apple’s privacy protections had stalled its investigation, the Justice Department said Monday that it had accessed a terrorism suspect’s iPhone
it took “months” for the fbi to crack one iphone, that belonged to a terrorist…
and that was in 2020, those holes have long been patched.so, no they can’t.
Only if user isn’t using encryption ( which is standard these days ) or has developer mode usb debugging left open
sadly, this isn’t true:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CellebriteSo I see a company thay duplicates phones, with no source on cracking encryption, other than their own company got hacked. And if you have a GrapheneOS phone you can shut off external USB. like connecting a cord , headset to computer does nothing unless you can login to phone and turn the USB option on.
Constantly amused at how hard android users defend their choice and act like it’s iPhone users doing the same.
Always reminds me of the way right wing / Trump supporters behave. They are obsessed with liberals and the Democratic Party in then same way android users are obsessed iPhone users and Apple.
As an iPhone user, I spend no time thinking about android users and I certainly don’t post threads looking for others to validate my purchase.
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For me, an Android for personal, iPhone for work.
One of them is a phone that mostly works the way I want it to; the other is a phone that…mostly works the way I want it to.
I never think about iPhones until I’m forced to enroll one into my MDM and Apple makes me use their terrible Apple Configurator 2 or some iPhone user lightheartedly mentions my green bubbles. As always the squeeky wheels are gettin’ greased.
As an Android user, I’ll offer my side to this:
If I had a dollar for every time a friend or family member asked, “Why don’t you just get an iPhone?” I could probably buy the newest iPhone. Added pain that I’m Gen Z in the US where something like 80-90% of people my age use an iPhone.
I swear most of the time people treat having an Android phone as something that needs some sort of defense because they think there’s no reason anyone would possibly consider buying anything other than an iPhone.
And why do they make those offers? Perhaps because you’re complaining about your device and the problems are things that Apple users never encounter?
And that doesn’t explain why android users complain in pseudo-anonymous forums about Apple users. Apple users aren’t making memes about how android users are foolish.
If it’s because real life friends and family suggest they get an iPhone, that’s incredibly passive aggressive.
To your first point, it isn’t really an “offer.” I don’t think I’ve ever complained about having an Android phone, because I’ve genuinely liked my Android phones way more than my old iPhone. It pretty commonly comes up whenever communication is involved though because I end up being blamed for not having FaceTime, iMessage, etc. even though most of those problems come from Apple only supporting a messaging standard from the early 90s with Android phones.
To your second point, there are memes though. They’re probably not as common on here because the demographic that uses lemmy (or even Reddit to some degree) is more likely to have an Android phone for various reasons. Look up “android camera meme” if you want a clear example of something that usually isn’t even true.
I’m not going to go after anyone for using an Apple product, because I can see why someone would use one over Android. But Apple tends to attract people that will blindly defend their bad decisions (no headphones jack, no charger, slow refresh-rate screens on everything but the $1000 model, etc.).
This isn’t to say there aren’t similar people defending companies like Samsung, Google, etc. Apple just attracts these people at a whole different level. This meme is obviously hyperbole but to be fair you could make this meme about any obnoxious fan group and it would be just as true.
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“Fucking hell, my phone costs 3000 to repair” “Why doest it cost so much?” “Apple” “Why don’t you switch to a different phone then?” “Fuck you”
People are downvoting, but it is true.
I once wanted to repair an older Ipad because the screen was cracked. The repair would have cost 600€ at an Apple reseller. A new Ipad would have been about 700€ at the time.
There is a reason why Apple is so against the right to repair.
Even their “self-repair” option nowadays is a load of bollocks. You have to rent the expensive machine, order a new part (which can only come from them of course), send out your part and wait before they will send the replacement part, then hope you don’t fuck up slightly, causing you to break the screen and you having to pay through your nose again to order a replacement.
So it only costs slightly less, but you will not have a phone for weeks.
There really is no reason third party hardware can’t be installed at the users own risk. But that would mean competition for Apple, and they don’t like that.
Or tell them “Apple shouldn’t restrict users like this” and suddenly “It’s their platform!”
Nah dude. It’s your phone. That’s what the money was for.
Freedom was when Telephones were still with a cable attached to the wall, before the dependence on always being reachable with these snitches in your pocket.
And we only got that because of government action, forcing Ma Bell to allow folks to use their own equipment.
I’ve owned flagship androids and iphones. I like my iPhone better, sorry. If other companies want to make a better product, I’ll switch back again. It’s not really about the exclusivity/walled garden nonsense.
I just don’t like how Apple decides when your app is too old.
You don’t own your device, you only lease it.
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What’s to like more?
I’ve found the overall performance to be more consistent/better. The “better” part is a bit moot as every time I buy a new phone, the performance should be better than the last one just because it’s newer technology.
And while there are a lot of things I don’t like, core performance kind of overshadows any other issues I have or features I’m missing out on. Perhaps I should have said “better for my needs” instead of “better product.”
A lot of it comes down to software. I had a cpu performance scaling bug that meant my oneplus 7 pro would occasionally take ~5 seconds after unlock to stop being clocked at 100mhz. It made the unlock experience really laggy and crappy. It felt cheap and lazy.
Yes, but make a criticism of Apple’s monopolistic behaviour online and you’ll immediately have a million brain dead Apple fans screaming at you about how iPhones have to work exactly the way they do now or the world will fall apart.
Yeah, obviously hyperbole, but there is a kind of console fanboy-ism around smartphones which is honestly bizarre.
And while I’d rather Apple not be so shitty about proprietary everything, it’s also not the end of the world.
That’s not true at all
It’s been my experience and evidently it’s been OPs and everyone who upvoted this.
I think it’s being pointed out that people who share your experience generally have a pretty extreme lack of awareness which everyone else can easily notice.
An announcement about a new iPhone or iOS feature will inevitably have Android supporters bashing on literally every single person that owns an iPhone, making childish character judgments about strangers.
If an announcement about Android happens though, you do not get a bunch of iPhone users looking to criticize the Android fans at all. We just don’t care to go through such a pointless exercise that is willfully engaging in extremely poor logic. It’s raw and unfiltered stupidity to generalize about any huge group of consumers solely based on a product they use. Use whatever you like.
The frustration with IOS new features, is not the feature, it is that apple claims it is revolutionary or apple exclusive…and Android people are like WTF we had that 10 years ago.
But the implementation is often a bit more stable or user friendly. Those features often do not light the world on fire because the user experience is not there yet, and google moves on too fast to finish the feature.
Bump to transfer files, worked fine 12 years ago. Adhoc wifi no issue. Google Wallet worked fine instead of Apple pay, and so on. its just nobody cares, except IOS users, as they think Apple pay is somehow better. Even a search says Apple’s “Revolution” of payment. if you notice the only difference between the rest of phone and PC market compared to Apple’s is the use of Adjectives in front of the software or device, and that is enough to convince the average person that it is better. Samsung has DEX that turns your flagship phone into a linux desktop (less linuxy after version 9 and more dumbed down now) When you dock it. So Monitor , keyboard Mouse, external drive use with full desktop experience, but nobody cares and Samsung doean’t flaunt it like Apple marketing would…but maybe they should.
It is more user friendly because they strip out any options a power user might use.
That’s more specific than the average criticism, and while valid…why would anyone direct their ire for a company’s marketing towards their consumers? I can’t even count the amount of time I’ve heard folks online claim that Apple users only buy the phone for the image and because of their marketing etc. iPhones have been around for 17 years now, and people just like them. The standard complaint is that Apple fans are clueless etc. but people spend all their lives managing limited resources. It’s wildly ignorant to assume they can’t choose products for themselves. The simple fact is that iPhones are worth the money to the people who buy them, period.
i think the ire is because Apple fans believe it without questioning it, like flat earth believers being told that by a religious leader. People go harsh on religious fanatics. For adults buying a phone, sure. For kids it is image, they are peer pressured into having Apple, or face highschool ridicule. And they aren’t buying it outright, it goes on a payment plan that mom and dad pay for. Even my apple fan coworker is always trying to convince me to move to IOS, for “new” features, and I have to say dude I have been doing that forever, I would gain nothing by moving to IOS and lose a ton of technical abilities where I use my phone like a PC…but people can’t be convinced of what they already believe
Seems the other way around works just as well. Say you like an Apple product and attract someone who goes „brainless Apple fanboy“ or „Google does it better because freedom“
Oh the Apple hate is much worse than the Apple love.
No, we don’t like Google either.
Lol no one is responding to posts about how much you like a feature with hate, unless you’re trolling the wrong community or youre the person in OPs post, saying that in response to someone making a criticism of a corporation’s monopolistic behaviour?
Clearly we have been to different parts of the internet, cause that is definitely not what I observed in the past years.
It’s dumb either way. Google and Apple are publicly traded companies and therefore never have the end user as top priority. Satisfying them is just means to please shareholders, their top priority. And if it is not that, then it is pleasing some governing body (e.g. China, India) to expand market access and grow. For the shareholders again.
I don’t get why people always bring up the “drama” of the bubble color on iphone texts. That "drama"was overblown. I’ve never met anyone who actually cares if another person’s using a different type of phone than them. Those people have got to be such a small minority of the population (and likely have a huge overlap with the ones that are just crap people already.) At this point bringing up the bubble colors is just a convenient way to fill out a dull argument.
I’ve seen people get legitimately bullied for it. Just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it’s a minority among all demographics.
It’s utterly despicable that you’ve witnessed this happen, and I ask out of genuine interest: how widespread have you seen this bullying?
It’s not the majority of interactions but it was common enough in high school and college that it became a VERY decisive topic. It seemed the Apple users who didn’t bully anyone were unaware it was happening, and the android users, whether or not they were bullied, were always mad about the bullying, which, from the perspective of average iPhone users, made it feel like android users were constantly nagging them, which just widened the cultural gap between the two groups.
So if someone who had an iphone learned you used android, there’s an equal chance you’d get someone who was a bully for no reason or someone who assumed you were combative about it and either way looked down on you for it. It was an unfortunate situation.
You’re probably an adult, the whole blue/green bubble is targeted at high school student demographics, ya know, the same demographic who LOVES pointless drama and bullying over stupid shit like the color of a text bubble
Apple likes this setup because by the time you leave HS you’ll probably have switched to iPhone due to peer pressure and are unlikely to switch later because “it’s just what I’ve always used” and like you’ve noted no longer care about the blue/green bubble debate
I agree with your point but imo the drama doesn’t even just come from high school kids. I’m a year away from graduating undergrad and still wondering when (or if) people are going to grow up about it. Even then, full grown adults do it about as often as people my age in my experience. Honestly some of the worst offenders when it comes to green bubble shaming have been my family members on the older side who think everyone should just get an iPhone and refuse to use anything other than iMessage.
my issue is that in mixed platform group messages sometimes some messages don’t go through to some people in the group completely at random, nearly always when plans are trying to be made. it’s entirely Apple’s refusal to make imessages compatible with whatever android is using. Not about to shame the people who have androids because of it though, and it’s certainly not about the color of the text.
Didn’t apple recently add thr open standard for messaging , RTS? or someting that Android has moved to
IDK, all i know is that group messaging with iMessages between iOS and android is still garbage. Its an easy fix though it its really causing issues between people: just use a 3rd party app.
As long as you are willing to use Google Messages and eventually go full circle.
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I have used a number of android phones and iPhones, and I can say that the experience on an iPhone is vastly superior to anything android has to offer. Until that changes, this problem is going to continue.
Companies can keep pumping out dogshit all they want and slapping a different coat of paint on it, at the end of the day it’s still dogshit.
Someone needs to build an OS superior to apple’s that is designed exclusively and optimized for the hardware of the phone, and it seems unlikely that will ever happen. Also that fact in and of itself is the reason iPhones are and will always have a superior user experience than anything android has to offer.
I would love to see something similar that is more secure, more privacy focused, and still has as good of a user experience as an iPhone, but this is an accessibility vs security problem.
Apple has leveraged what they once touted as a safer option because they would look after the security part on behalf of the user and twisted it into a more sinister business model (or perhaps that was always the M.O.)
You are describing GrapheneOS. Privacy and Security focused and built to run on Pixel phone hardware only.
If what I read is true that does sound promising, but still leaves consumers with a number of issues.
You still need to support google to get this phone, (if part of the goal is to not support companies with questionable business practices) and while GrapheneOS does look promising I still have my doubts on the user experience.
From what I have read I believe you would need to install this OS yourself on the device. That to me is more of a workaround than a solution.
The typical user isn’t going to want to install a custom OS. This isn’t a product that is readily available to consumers to purchase through conventional means as far as I can tell. (I may be wrong on that, but it doesn’t appear that I could walk into a carrier store and purchase one ready to go).
Yes, the Pixel has specific hardware and security which makes it ideal for a private/secure phone. So it is unfortunate that a purchase supports Google, however the pixels are cheap so I assume Google is taking a profit loss to gain market (and data).
Graphene does have a web installer, so rather than the old days of connecting to a command shell and typing cryptic commands( for the average user) you connect your phone and click the web install buttons in order till you reach bottom of webpage. it gives you an instruction how to boot the phone into certain modes with volume and power buttons. While my mom isn’t going to work with this a 9-10 year old could do it.
/e/ OS was selling preinstalled phones, I haven’t seen the same from GrapheneOS yet…but I have not checked in depth to see if somebody is offering this.
Preinstalled is where it needs to get to though.
Someone needs to build an OS superior to Apple?
IOS is a very bad OS. I really took android for granted until I had to manage iPads for work. Short list: You can’t have a management app auto start. So if someone locks themselves out of their device without manually opening the management app, they’re screwed and need factory reset.
Apps aren’t built to auto scale to device? I literally couldn’t believe my eyes the first time I tried to run an iPhone app on an iPad and it showed as phone sized screen in the middle of this iPad pro. Android is so well made that you can resize windows on the fly and most apps react just fine.
Thank goodness we paid for an extremely expensive MDM solution, because there’s no way to install apps without making every single user make an Apple account.
I’m not saying it’s perfect, but the typical user experience is vastly superior to anything android has to offer. I’m also specifically referring to phone os. Not tablets. I really don’t like apple as a company, but user experience on apple vs android phones are like night and day.
I work in IT for a school board and yeah, the support of iPads is straight shit, so I feel your pain.
It’s really not.
Even just how Apple handles apps. If I asked you which company would present their apps in a neat organized alphabetized list that you can quickly scroll or search through, and which company would just dump them all in a mass of garbage on your homescreen and make you search for them, you’d assume it would be Google that forces you to search, but nope, that’s Apple’s terrible UX for managing the most basic aspect of a smartphone.
Literally just scroll all the way to the right on the home screen, there’s your category/alphabetical app list.
A feature added late to iOS, and one they have hidden behind the pile of homescreens you have since every app you install is just dumped on them. On Android you swipe up from anywhere on the homescreen and you immediately search or browse.
I used to push android over iOS until a few years ago when Google became just as bad as Apple, if not worse. I’ve been trying to steadily get rid of Google products that they’re probably just going to either stop supporting or discontinue altogether, or gradually reduce features that I use every day. I switched over to an iPhone because it offers better privacy and allows for ad blockers without having to root your phone. I don’t have any desire to go back even though I still think the android interface makes more sense for me. I also don’t care what color someone’s bubble is.
Can you elaborate on how to use AdBlock on iPhone? Everytime I try to look it up I can only find ad block for the web browser. Last time I was told that’s all you can do, is this outdated?
Edit: you’re not just talking about using DNS right? Since that’s just the same as android.
https://adguard-dns.io/en/public-dns.html go here , expand the private dns, click ios, follow instructions to get a privateDNS config setup.
No need for buying an app
Yeah, I just installed and paid for AdGuard pro, which blocks ads on safari. Doesn’t do anything for any Google app that I install but reading news sites is much better since I did it.
Lol, you paying for an adblocker that doesn’t even block all ads on your device?
Get on AdAway’s level.
GrapheneOS is where it is at. All the configuration of Android without Googles bullshit. And if you need Google bullshit it is Sandboxed so they aren’t holding your phone hostage
May I ask what do you mean by android not allowing ad blockers? You can set up a private DNS and set it to one that blocks ads. A very simple thing to do.
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Yeah there are even several ways to do it if you use root.
You don’t need root was their point, if you use private DNS entry
