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Lemmy.world updated to 0.19.3, which count anyone who voted(lurker), as an active user, hence the bump in user. The same bump can be seen on january, where a lot instance started to updated to the latest version.
Well now I’m not a lurker… so uh… there…lol
I am a voter
I’m in this picture!
And I like it
APES TOGETHER STRONG!!!
Hell yeah! We’re here,
we’re queer,get used to it!The post/comment propaganda seems to have worked as well. Every post is way more active nowadays
I come after the great reddit API purge. Haven’t looked back and I’m happy for it.
I’ve gotten part of my life back as a result.
It’s surprising the psychological difference of “net seventeen people think you’re an asshole” vs “twenty people think you’re an asshole, but three people get you”.
Me as well. I occasionally peak back to some niche subreddits, but don’t contribute anymore. I’m hoping some pop up here over time.
What are some you’d like to see?
I miss a lot of the niche hobby subs, the non-image sex related subs, justrolledintotheshop, *swap subs, and some of the *sales subs. I have other forums where I can fulfill some of these and it was nice to have them all in one place.
I feel like the sports communities are lacking critical mass and for some reason I just don’t see content from some of the small communities (specifically magic the gathering for me) pop up on my feed. Like it’d be nice the algo pushed them more since I am subbed and want to participate.
for some reason I just don’t see content from some of the small communities
That’s odd. Do they at least show up in your home feed if you sort by new?
That’s it? Wow, a lot fewer people were upset about the loss of 3rd party apps than I thought. We need to add at least 3 more zeroes to that number if this place stands a chance at taking down reddit.
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Every once in a while I check up on what reddit looks like now.
I find the same or similar topics posted, with 600 comments instead of 30, and 570 of those 600 are just whatever’s the first thing that pops into everyone’s mind after reading the post title.
I like it better here.Both sides have their benefits, and it’s a shame there is no good best-of-both-worlds. I get where you’re coming from, I never felt the urge to participate on Reddit because it was so often just shouting into the void and getting buried in hundreds of one-word replies and in-jokes and memes. Here I feel seen, and often feel like my contribution (although mostly just small comments) makes an impact.
At the same time, a huge critical mass of a userbase is completely necessary for niche communities to survive. Maybe not as overwhelmingly massive as Reddit’s, but magnitudes larger than Lemmy has right now. Lemmy has a very distinct userbase slant and if you’re in the target audience (tech, FOSS, Linux etc) you’re probably great here. But even common interests like sports struggle for traction, and true niche stuff has an extremely tough time.
At the same time, a huge critical mass of a userbase is completely necessary for niche communities to survive. Maybe not as overwhelmingly massive as Reddit’s, but magnitudes larger than Lemmy has right now.
To confirm, you don’t think we have a minimum population base currently on Lemmy?
If so, how do you make that judgment? How are you measuring that? How are you quantifying that?
To confirm, you don’t think we have a minimum population base currently on Lemmy?
I mean, depends on what you view Lemmy as, right? It’s a great place to hang around and chat (depending on your interests). The people here are generally polite and friendly, and most interactions feel meaningful. It does not currently have enough content volume and niche communities to provide a viable Reddit alternative to most people.
If so, how do you make that judgment? How are you measuring that? How are you quantifying that?
Completely subjectively, though I didn’t think it was an unpopular opinion. I thought most people agreed niche communities struggle here. The exact number of users needed to reach critical mass I have no idea on, just a best guess extrapolating between where we are now and where Reddit was a decade ago. You can use Mastodon as another data point. I’m not on there, but I’m under the impression that Mastodon, too, has a little low userbase to truly feed niche communities, and it’s noticeably larger than Lemmy.
Completely subjectively, though I didn’t think it was an unpopular opinion.
Just for the record, I wasn’t thinking that your opinion is an unpopular one (in case you were addressing me directly).
Its just that I see people use a lack of population in ‘niche’ communities as a failure of Lemmy overall, and using some subjective made-up number to justify Lemmy’s overall failure, when there’s obviously traffic to major communities and ‘life’/activity on Lemmy on a daily basis.
I replied to another comment as well, where a person also used a number to justify an opinion, and it seems so arbitrary to me to be able to make those kind of firm decisions. So I wasn’t just ‘picking on you’. :) No offense was meant.
To me, it seems like Lemmy is currently growing over time, and is too early to ‘declare it dead’ (not saying you did that, but just in general).
Its just that I see people use a lack of population in ‘niche’ communities as a failure of Lemmy overall, and using some subjective made-up number to justify Lemmy’s overall failure, when there’s obviously traffic to major communities and ‘life’/activity on Lemmy on a daily basis.
It’s not so much a “failure” of Lemmy as it is an assessment of the situation (at this point in time). I wasn’t suggesting Lemmy was or will be a failure, nor that it’s dead. I like it here and I’m active most days. There still isn’t enough activity in niche subs for Lemmy to have mainstream appeal, though. Even a broad subject like Poetry is carried by a handful of people, and that is a fairly lively “niche sub”.
We’re currently still in the phase where determined, committed individuals have to spend concerted effort into keeping small subs going, rather than them being self-sustaining.
I do like it here, though, and I really hope the growth continues.
Sports discussion and game threads are actually the only thing I really miss about Reddit, I find the time I spend on Lemmy much more productive/informative and less likely to get sucked down an argumentative rabbit hole.
Yeah, I feel that. Formula 1 does okay (maybe unsurprisingly due to it being tech adjacent), but even huge sports like soccer are mostly ghost towns.
Sports need folks having fluid communication about what’s happening right then and you need enough folks to be seeing and reacting to both the event/game and the comments at the same time for that, maybe one day we’ll get there
If this place ends up with 70 million users, I won’t be one of them. Lemmy isn’t a for-profit company. It doesn’t need growth for the sake of growth.
Besides, lemmy growth isn’t a measure of Reddit shrinkage. Lots of people are just quitting without a replacement.
Imagine hosting an instance if Lemmy had that many users. I can imagine it being a full time job.
I don’t give two shits about taking down reddit. I just want somewhere else to go, and Lemmy works for that.
Old reddit isn’t dead yet
Oh, many more were upset - just too lazy to inconvenience themselves with switching platforms.
I’d say this is only half of the answer.
After browsing Lemmy for a while, you get the sense that the average user here is the type that gets upset about a social media company making changes to an API. That is a very specific type of person and you can see it in the comments.
I’d guess people get turned off by that type of person and leave.
I come here once Reddit and hacker news content is old. This isn’t a place I’d recommend to anyone, unfortunately. There are extremely strong biases all over and deep echo chambers. Users here seem like the perpetually online type. Most perspectives I’ve seen have been heavily influenced by online discourse rather than reality.
I visit this site less and less due to the user base.
I don’t give a crap about the API. Reddit’s system of rando-bans are a fatal flaw to its usefullness.
I dont mean to be rude, but people that have been banned from Reddit coming here does not improve the community.
There are 2 kinds of people who get banned. People who actually deserve it and people who get rando-bans. A rando-ban is something you have no control over. It is caused by things like unwritten rules, nonsensical rules, or the unpaid intern mods having a bad day. Things that a warning could have easily taken care of. Lemmy cannot give you a rando-ban, but if you actually deserve a ban than multiple people can come together and do it.
My first rando-ban on reddit was posting too much content from the Washington Post. Even though I was only posting about 1 article per month I was “spamming”. It is wonderful knowing that on lemmy/kbin I can finally start submitting content again without risking a rando-ban.
The perpetually online type is on Mastodon.
Here on Lemmy are the people who disconnected from social media, block or boycott 95% of today’s internet and self-host matrix servers to discuss about self-hosting matrix servers.Complains about strong bias here like it isn’t just as bad or worse on reddit.
Personally, I think it is worse here as there is almost zero opposing voice. On Reddit, there are people from most sides of most topics. Here, in most conversations, there is only one side represented.
Now, I tend to agree with the bias here, on some things, some times. But even when I agree, I want to see arguments from the opposition. Otherwise, I never learn.
Are you trying to get the bots to migrate too?
It doesn’t need to take down reddit. I’d like to see Lemmy at 1 million active users though. Just need enough critical mass to be able to branch into more smaller sublemmys which draws in the fans of those subs specifically and creates better curated content.
Yeah, 1 million would be about the right size for a better active community. 500k would probably do wonders too.
at 1 million active users though. Just need enough critical mass to be able to branch into more smaller sublemmys which draws in the fans of those subs specifically
I was responding kind of someone else as well, but where are these numbers coming from?
Is it truly 1 million? Or maybe 500k? Or maybe 2 million?
People seem to be using numbers so arbitrarily.
I think somewhere between 1-4 million would be a good cross section of interests without a critical mass of users
I think somewhere between 1-4 million would be a good cross section
500K (for example) people talking in communities wouldn’t be enough?
How did you derive the 1-4 million number?
Just a really quick estimate based on the size of the subreddits I once enjoyed that by their nature need to be larger. Things like /r/cfb, /r/nba, /r/FreeFolk
Thanks for the convo.
I like the idea of a slow increase over time. I remember Reddit did that one chatroom experiment where you started out small. And then merged with larger and larger rooms. Small rooms had at least a chance to hang and chat and the larger rooms turned into twitch chat spam. To a degree maybe the same could be said for comments, on Reddit now I still see thousands of redundant replies to subjects whereas here it’s definitely still fresh if not shorter chains.
Though in terms of niche topics it may definitely need more traffic somehow. I think reddit benefits a lot from its search indexing and if Lemmy ever began to appear in search traffic more like forums did in early Google I could see that improving.
Does it need to?
I… kinda like lemmy the way it is I guess? Sure, I wish some niche-communities were a bit more active (looking at you, /c/malefashionadvice). But then again on Lemmy I actually feel motivated to contribute actively. Because I know my content won’t be monetized by some corporate behemoth. So maybe this is just fine the way it is?
To be fair /r/malefashionadvice turned into a circlejerk of popular people posting fits (influencers?) and very little real advice outside of a preset notion of what was acceptable.
I just joined today! So far really enjoying it.
My internet experience has been slower since switching to Mastodon and Lemmy/Kbin. And it’s so nice. The things I see are more interesting. The conversations are usually more well thought out. And lowest common denominator dopamine content isn’t being driven into my eyeballs by Algorithms. I’ve legitimately been happier since the Reddit API debacle.
Long live the Old Internet.
Seriously, it feels like 1999 internet. And I’m loving it!
Seriously, it feels like 1999 internet. And I’m loving it!
56K modem handshake sound intensifies
Now give us EverQuest for that proper 1999 experience!
Ever try Project 1999?
AFAIK, V0.19 adds anyone that votes to MAU instead of just commenters and posters, so any server thats converted is reporting better #s. With Lemmy.world now on 0.19, expect this to be even sharper.
adds anyone that votes to MAU instead of just commenters and posters
That seems fair. They’re interacting with Lemmy, so they’re using Lemmy, and should be counted.
What is MAU?
Monthly Active Users
What is MAU?
This is a wrong answer, but this song is what I always think of when I see ‘MAU’.
Well, that’s in my head now.
Seriously, right? Every freaking time someone mentions the term MAU that starts playing in my head.
The fediverse is growth hacking, nice.
Definitely.
For a daily view: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats
I’ve heard about Lemmy for a while, and I just joined after getting permanently banned for “threatening violence” after posting “nice sub here” in a new subreddit. I wish I were joking, but it personally doesn’t surprise me that much when considering my past experiences. The appeal was denied.
Reddit’s most dedicated and longstanding users can only tolerate so many nonsensical and frivolous permanent account bans over the years before they flock to that beautiful forest sprouting up across the river. Lemmy should continue to grow because people like me intend to be here for the life of it.
My last few months on Reddit were spent tracking bot accounts, and taking note of suspicious patterns of certain subreddits refusing to take action against blatant propaganda bots. I’m glad to be past that, at least for now, and I wish the users I’m leaving behind luck. Things were nuts.
Yeah I got permabanned too.
I still post there occasionally. I made 4 new Reddit accounts from behind 7 proxies, but they all got banned due to browser fingerprinting. But I wised up and now the 5th one’s still not banned even though I access it from my home IP. I really try my best not to give such a hostile company more content, but there’s still a few local subs and specific content that isn’t big enough yet on Lemmy.
getting permanently banned for “threatening violence” after posting “nice sub here” in a new subreddit
A bot likely checked what other subreddits you were subscribed to and found one deemed not acceptable.
Lmao, I was banned on reddit for reporting something somebody else wrote. Banned for abuse of the report system. Just want to repeat, it was a full reddit ban, not a subreddit ban.
I had submitted a total of 5 reports over the life of the account. The first 3 were acted on by the admins (clear calls to violence/racism) and 2 that passed admin review.
The first report I submitted on r/worldnews led to me being banned from reddit.
Just be aware Lemmy has its own share of issues and extremist views. It’s not as simple as Reddit is evil and Lemmy is good, both have their pros and cons at end of day and realistically they both probably have a role to play for people.
It is as simple as the fact that being banned from a Lemmy instance does not shutdown access to all of Lemmy’s communities like it does with Reddit.
This allows actual, messy, contextualized moderation to happen within communities according to the values of those communities without creating broader distortions in a global moderation policy and enforcement scheme.
In other words there are unfortunately transphobic communities on Reddit and Lemmy, but the difference is there are also (many) communities on Lemmy that if you start spouting transphobic bullshit a moderator will unceremoniously and fairly quickly shut you down without a bunch of techbro handwringing about censorship or general apathy towards violence against trans people.
This aspect does in fact make Lemmy clearly better than Reddit on the whole, because this is a fundamental issue to social networks and communities.
Not sure I understand tbh. Seems exactly the same?
You get banned in a reddit community you can’t access it, you get banned in a lemmy community you can’t access it.
I’ve been banned from reddit communities and can still access reddit. If you’ve been banned from Reddit completely you must have done some terrible shit.
In your example, you’re also suggesting a transphobic person has more scope on Lemmy to continue being transphobic than on Reddit. That’s not a good thing?
I am quite confused by your post tbh.
You get banned from reddit as a whole and you’re done, lemmy.world admin could ban me and I’d still have plenty of communities.
Who gets banned from Reddit as a whole though?
You’d have to literally be posting child porn or something.
Or is this just a conceptual argument that doesn’t actually mean anything in reality?
I’m not on reddit but people claim to be site banned for trivial things sometimes.
Welcome aboard the lemmy train!
Lets be fair, Steve Huffman did most of the work to make Lemmy so popular.
Shout out to the old r/jailbait mod for making in happen!
That would be me on Lemmy as well.
Happy to be here!
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Watching this graph more often than that of Bitcoin
