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I’m fairly sure that the admins of lemmy.world said that we could expect a big spike in active users after the upgrade to 1.19 due to a change in how active users are calculated. I can’t seem to find the post now, though.
They did. I believe comments now count as activity where only posts did before?
Up/downvotes now count as well, AFAIK.
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It’s a bull trap
Watching this graph more often than that of Bitcoin
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Lemmy is probably the best fedidiverse project so far and it’s not even close
just wish the default ui was better (i currently use photon)
It’s about as good as old reddit!? Isn’t that what people want? A website straight out of the early 2000s.😁
EDIT: probably cheaper to host for sure.
I think the default UI is fine but the good thing is that neither of us are forced to use any UI - we are free to have third party apps and stuff like that :)
The sad thing is the users in the comments on Reddit was starting to sour my mood before I switched.
I’m using Alexandrite, find it good
I too use Photon when on PC. However I do believe the majority of users here liked the old reddit style of things maybe. Might be why the default look of lemmy looks like it does? I’m only guessing here though!
For old reddit style theres mlmym which fills that niche better (e.g. for you that would be at https://old.lemmy.world)
Default UI is currently getting overhauled in a bunch of different ways. Lemmy-Leptos for Lemmy itself, and new UIs for Sublinks and Piefed as they get constructed
also, instances can change their default UI. lemdro.id defaults to photon for example
I just joined today! So far really enjoying it.
I like Mastodon even more, because there are more and more serious accounts with identity behind. Here more troll talk.
I see a lot of people posting and no one engaging with each other there. Honestly what’s the point if no one talks to each other.
Guess it just depends but I see a lot of people interacting on certain topics and a lot of posts I make get a good amount of activity. I get way more interaction on my posts than I had on Twitter for instance.
I want to like mastodon but I don’t want to do the leg work of finding accounts. I like the algorithm to some extent, I want help to find things.
I also have trouble deciding how to support the post. Liking doesn’t do anything and tooting or whatever puts it on my page. I don’t feel part of the community boosting topics I like.
I like voting things up and down.
Maybe I’m doing it wrong but I try and get instantly bored because I have to hunt for everything. I really tried.
For me it’s just being able to have longer discussion. I dunno, maybe I can do that on Mastodon but it feels to quick for me. I’ve always liked forum posting, so this suits me better
I don’t like following people I like to follow topics
I like following you.
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Hi we are both food lets get eaten.
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It’s what I’m here for
The trolls and tankies
cannot stop us. Lemmy grows!
We make this place thrive!i’m pretty sure i account for about half of those. i had dozens of fediverse identities before lemmy and now… well lets just say **i** don’t think it’s a problem, but at this point i think i could identify a lemmy welcome email at 200 feet.
Tankies are the reason why Lemmy exists in the first place.
And us trolls are what keeps the comments showing up. If folks didn’t have us to be outraged about, what would they do?
The post/comment propaganda seems to have worked as well. Every post is way more active nowadays
Hopefully all the communities I follow on Reddit move here so I don’t have to use that site.
There might be a significant number of users here waiting for everyone else to switch over to lemmy. If you start a niche community, it’s a little easier for someone else to be like “It’s kind of empty, but it exists on lemmy too.” What you need is a critical mass of people. It usually takes time and effort to reach that, and someone must be first.
I think the problem is that theres a lot of niche communities created for an exodus from Reddit that didnt really happen.
If you search for a certain community and find that yeah it exists but nobody has posted there in 6 months…
If you search for a certain community and find that yeah it exists but nobody has posted there in 6 months…
I’ve come across this multiple times, and have had (or seen) some success with the following:
- Start posting to the dormant community. There are usually still some people subscribed, so you’ll get a few upvotes.
- Reach out to the moderators. If they don’t respond, reach out to the instance administrators to request the community.
- After a few weeks of posting regularly, promote the community in !newcommunities@lemmy.world, and any related communities with more subscribers.
I think the “if you build it they will come” adage applies quite well here.
It didn’t happen in one big exodus, no. But maybe in the future someone will find those old posts and decide to make a new post instead of just concluding there’s nothing and not doing anything.
I do wonder if its a help or a hinderance though.
If someone wanted to start a community they might actually do something to generate interest, nobody wants to put the effort in to build up a community that the mod can just ban them from or they look and go “Its not that theres nothing, theres just no interest.”
!cranetrainexcavators@lemmy.world baby. Does reddit have that? No. Didn’t think so! ;)
Oh my God what terrible thing to Reddit happened in February
If you don’t know, Reddit updated their interface in February and made it worse by doing so. People who tolerated the older “new” interface can find a way to use that (at new.reddit) while the older interface is still there too (old.reddit).
Still, it seems like Reddit keeps making changes to drive away their older user base which hypothetically is drawing in new users (otherwise it seems a bit silly for them to be doing those changes).
The IPO announcement w/ shares being offered to Reddit users. Also, the deal with AI training off of user data without consent. Hard to keep track these days lol.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we see another boom in active users and new accounts due to that. Just depends on how much this pushes users who were already annoyed over api changes over the edge.
Reddit can’t help but treat their mods and user base like absolute shit. So while it may not be much, there will be a slow and steady drip of users over time.
It seems more like there are infusions into Lemmy when Reddit makes some kind of change, and there’s a slow drip out of Lemmy
AFAIK, V0.19 adds anyone that votes to MAU instead of just commenters and posters, so any server thats converted is reporting better #s. With Lemmy.world now on 0.19, expect this to be even sharper.
adds anyone that votes to MAU instead of just commenters and posters
That seems fair. They’re interacting with Lemmy, so they’re using Lemmy, and should be counted.
The fediverse is growth hacking, nice.
What is MAU?
Monthly Active Users
What is MAU?
This is a wrong answer, but this song is what I always think of when I see ‘MAU’.
Well, that’s in my head now.
Seriously, right? Every freaking time someone mentions the term MAU that starts playing in my head.
That’s it? Wow, a lot fewer people were upset about the loss of 3rd party apps than I thought. We need to add at least 3 more zeroes to that number if this place stands a chance at taking down reddit.
Are you trying to get the bots to migrate too?
I like the idea of a slow increase over time. I remember Reddit did that one chatroom experiment where you started out small. And then merged with larger and larger rooms. Small rooms had at least a chance to hang and chat and the larger rooms turned into twitch chat spam. To a degree maybe the same could be said for comments, on Reddit now I still see thousands of redundant replies to subjects whereas here it’s definitely still fresh if not shorter chains.
Though in terms of niche topics it may definitely need more traffic somehow. I think reddit benefits a lot from its search indexing and if Lemmy ever began to appear in search traffic more like forums did in early Google I could see that improving.
Oh, many more were upset - just too lazy to inconvenience themselves with switching platforms.
I’d say this is only half of the answer.
After browsing Lemmy for a while, you get the sense that the average user here is the type that gets upset about a social media company making changes to an API. That is a very specific type of person and you can see it in the comments.
I’d guess people get turned off by that type of person and leave.
I come here once Reddit and hacker news content is old. This isn’t a place I’d recommend to anyone, unfortunately. There are extremely strong biases all over and deep echo chambers. Users here seem like the perpetually online type. Most perspectives I’ve seen have been heavily influenced by online discourse rather than reality.
I visit this site less and less due to the user base.
Complains about strong bias here like it isn’t just as bad or worse on reddit.
Personally, I think it is worse here as there is almost zero opposing voice. On Reddit, there are people from most sides of most topics. Here, in most conversations, there is only one side represented.
Now, I tend to agree with the bias here, on some things, some times. But even when I agree, I want to see arguments from the opposition. Otherwise, I never learn.
The perpetually online type is on Mastodon.
Here on Lemmy are the people who disconnected from social media, block or boycott 95% of today’s internet and self-host matrix servers to discuss about self-hosting matrix servers.I don’t give a crap about the API. Reddit’s system of rando-bans are a fatal flaw to its usefullness.
I dont mean to be rude, but people that have been banned from Reddit coming here does not improve the community.
There are 2 kinds of people who get banned. People who actually deserve it and people who get rando-bans. A rando-ban is something you have no control over. It is caused by things like unwritten rules, nonsensical rules, or the unpaid intern mods having a bad day. Things that a warning could have easily taken care of. Lemmy cannot give you a rando-ban, but if you actually deserve a ban than multiple people can come together and do it.
My first rando-ban on reddit was posting too much content from the Washington Post. Even though I was only posting about 1 article per month I was “spamming”. It is wonderful knowing that on lemmy/kbin I can finally start submitting content again without risking a rando-ban.
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Every once in a while I check up on what reddit looks like now.
I find the same or similar topics posted, with 600 comments instead of 30, and 570 of those 600 are just whatever’s the first thing that pops into everyone’s mind after reading the post title.
I like it better here.Both sides have their benefits, and it’s a shame there is no good best-of-both-worlds. I get where you’re coming from, I never felt the urge to participate on Reddit because it was so often just shouting into the void and getting buried in hundreds of one-word replies and in-jokes and memes. Here I feel seen, and often feel like my contribution (although mostly just small comments) makes an impact.
At the same time, a huge critical mass of a userbase is completely necessary for niche communities to survive. Maybe not as overwhelmingly massive as Reddit’s, but magnitudes larger than Lemmy has right now. Lemmy has a very distinct userbase slant and if you’re in the target audience (tech, FOSS, Linux etc) you’re probably great here. But even common interests like sports struggle for traction, and true niche stuff has an extremely tough time.
Sports discussion and game threads are actually the only thing I really miss about Reddit, I find the time I spend on Lemmy much more productive/informative and less likely to get sucked down an argumentative rabbit hole.
Yeah, I feel that. Formula 1 does okay (maybe unsurprisingly due to it being tech adjacent), but even huge sports like soccer are mostly ghost towns.
Sports need folks having fluid communication about what’s happening right then and you need enough folks to be seeing and reacting to both the event/game and the comments at the same time for that, maybe one day we’ll get there
At the same time, a huge critical mass of a userbase is completely necessary for niche communities to survive. Maybe not as overwhelmingly massive as Reddit’s, but magnitudes larger than Lemmy has right now.
To confirm, you don’t think we have a minimum population base currently on Lemmy?
If so, how do you make that judgment? How are you measuring that? How are you quantifying that?
To confirm, you don’t think we have a minimum population base currently on Lemmy?
I mean, depends on what you view Lemmy as, right? It’s a great place to hang around and chat (depending on your interests). The people here are generally polite and friendly, and most interactions feel meaningful. It does not currently have enough content volume and niche communities to provide a viable Reddit alternative to most people.
If so, how do you make that judgment? How are you measuring that? How are you quantifying that?
Completely subjectively, though I didn’t think it was an unpopular opinion. I thought most people agreed niche communities struggle here. The exact number of users needed to reach critical mass I have no idea on, just a best guess extrapolating between where we are now and where Reddit was a decade ago. You can use Mastodon as another data point. I’m not on there, but I’m under the impression that Mastodon, too, has a little low userbase to truly feed niche communities, and it’s noticeably larger than Lemmy.
Completely subjectively, though I didn’t think it was an unpopular opinion.
Just for the record, I wasn’t thinking that your opinion is an unpopular one (in case you were addressing me directly).
Its just that I see people use a lack of population in ‘niche’ communities as a failure of Lemmy overall, and using some subjective made-up number to justify Lemmy’s overall failure, when there’s obviously traffic to major communities and ‘life’/activity on Lemmy on a daily basis.
I replied to another comment as well, where a person also used a number to justify an opinion, and it seems so arbitrary to me to be able to make those kind of firm decisions. So I wasn’t just ‘picking on you’. :) No offense was meant.
To me, it seems like Lemmy is currently growing over time, and is too early to ‘declare it dead’ (not saying you did that, but just in general).
Its just that I see people use a lack of population in ‘niche’ communities as a failure of Lemmy overall, and using some subjective made-up number to justify Lemmy’s overall failure, when there’s obviously traffic to major communities and ‘life’/activity on Lemmy on a daily basis.
It’s not so much a “failure” of Lemmy as it is an assessment of the situation (at this point in time). I wasn’t suggesting Lemmy was or will be a failure, nor that it’s dead. I like it here and I’m active most days. There still isn’t enough activity in niche subs for Lemmy to have mainstream appeal, though. Even a broad subject like Poetry is carried by a handful of people, and that is a fairly lively “niche sub”.
We’re currently still in the phase where determined, committed individuals have to spend concerted effort into keeping small subs going, rather than them being self-sustaining.
I do like it here, though, and I really hope the growth continues.
Old reddit isn’t dead yet
I don’t give two shits about taking down reddit. I just want somewhere else to go, and Lemmy works for that.
It doesn’t need to take down reddit. I’d like to see Lemmy at 1 million active users though. Just need enough critical mass to be able to branch into more smaller sublemmys which draws in the fans of those subs specifically and creates better curated content.
at 1 million active users though. Just need enough critical mass to be able to branch into more smaller sublemmys which draws in the fans of those subs specifically
I was responding kind of someone else as well, but where are these numbers coming from?
Is it truly 1 million? Or maybe 500k? Or maybe 2 million?
People seem to be using numbers so arbitrarily.
I think somewhere between 1-4 million would be a good cross section of interests without a critical mass of users
I think somewhere between 1-4 million would be a good cross section
500K (for example) people talking in communities wouldn’t be enough?
How did you derive the 1-4 million number?
Just a really quick estimate based on the size of the subreddits I once enjoyed that by their nature need to be larger. Things like /r/cfb, /r/nba, /r/FreeFolk
Thanks for the convo.
Yeah, 1 million would be about the right size for a better active community. 500k would probably do wonders too.
If this place ends up with 70 million users, I won’t be one of them. Lemmy isn’t a for-profit company. It doesn’t need growth for the sake of growth.
Besides, lemmy growth isn’t a measure of Reddit shrinkage. Lots of people are just quitting without a replacement.
Imagine hosting an instance if Lemmy had that many users. I can imagine it being a full time job.
Does it need to?
I… kinda like lemmy the way it is I guess? Sure, I wish some niche-communities were a bit more active (looking at you, /c/malefashionadvice). But then again on Lemmy I actually feel motivated to contribute actively. Because I know my content won’t be monetized by some corporate behemoth. So maybe this is just fine the way it is?
To be fair /r/malefashionadvice turned into a circlejerk of popular people posting fits (influencers?) and very little real advice outside of a preset notion of what was acceptable.
.ml needs to start handing out more petty bans to tamp down the enthusiasm again.
I remember people whining that lemmy is on its decline already. We are back and here to stay
(Edit typo)
I don’t think that initial peak was ever “real” anyway. I think it was due to people creating multiple accounts on different instances (or maybe even claiming multiple usernames on the same instance) before settling down with the one account they were actually going to consistently use.
Definitely at least part of it was people who came to try it out and left (back to Reddit or wherever).
And your case too. I also did it. But we’d be 100% speculating if either of us guessed which was more common and how much.
Yeah that’s me. I signed up for and used beehaw for a month before switching to my current lemmy.ca. My old account would definitely be counted the same way as someone who signed up, got bored and left
I shortly used lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works before settling on lemmy.ca as well
There are definitely people that bounced off Lemmy for whatever reason. No idea how many though, I myself had 4 accounts on various instances before I settled on this one.
Don’t wanna do the ‘ackshually’ thing but it’s a little confusing so, I think you meant whining?
Thanks. I edited it because I sea it’s confusing (different from the typo in this comment)
Ehhhhhhhhhh… Considering activity was on a slow decline Sept-Dec (not counting August->Sept due to i-think bot-spam issues in the count)
The numbers didn’t really grow until the method to count active users was modified. We won’t know the impacts of growth/decline for another 2-3 months at least.
Yeah it’s weird to act like people were being unreasonable for pointing out that Lemmy was on a decline when the numbers quite literally showed a decline.
And it’s worth noting, no matter what the numbers say, the if users come here and it doesn’t feel as active as the numbers suggest, that’s still an issue.
doesn’t feel as active as the numbers suggest, that’s still an issue.
worth noting to those people who will read this and go: “I should browse
/Alland post nonsense everywhere to boost activity!”, please don’t. A community with a bunch of uninformed discussion is just as dead as a community with no comments.
I assume this latest bump is due to lemmy.world updating and now counting lurkers when assessing active users.
Pretty sure it’s the jean/bean memes
Probably a lot more to do with people being pissed about reddit going public and selling their data to ai companies for profits.
I’d like to think that too but I still go to Reddit and browsed a lot of those threads. In almost all of them, people were making the claim that there was nowhere to go, with maybe the occasional person chiming in to name-drop Lemmy, followed by a couple more comments from people bad-mouthing it.
People are definitely mad at Reddit but there does seem to still be this overall sense that Lenny is not good enough yet
Lemmy is more work to get on and then find an apk to use. There needs to just be a simple and clear instruction set to get people over. Like a link to an instance they can easily join and here’s a good app to use. Sort by /all and top from last 24 hours.
Right now there are waaaay less users, so content is low compared to reddit, and you can’t just create your own sub at the drop of a hat.
Encouraging everyone onto a single instance kinda defeats the purpose, and I feel it’s not as much of an issue with the new join-lemmy.com redesign, which recommends an instance based on your interests.
I wrote up this post for anyone to reference to help onboard people to lemmy.
I guess, but I haven’t noticed a whole lot of point in picking an instance of interest, since a small amount of content comes from them all right now. I added a ton of instances to my feed so I’ve never noticed tchncs prioritized or specific to myself.
If everyone dogpiles into a single generic instance, it could push that instance into unsustainable territory financially (especially with a mass exodus), unless the user base is willing to donate to support the instance. Spreading the load out over many instances would ease the load on any one server admin.
Maybe make an auto sorting pool that instances sign up for and just evenly assign new users an instance, so they don’t even have to “try hard” to choose one, then?
Its still only voters, lurkers that dont do any actions arent counted
Don’t forget that Reddit was made up of 90% lurkers, and less than 1% of active posters, the rest would comment but rarely post themselves. These numbers are great if we keep those statistics in mind
Commenters were already counted, though, so this bump is really just the vote-only population getting added. Which is still important to maintaining a healthy and varied front-page, mind you.
Why are they not separated out in any way? There should be separate bins for “active posters” “active commenters” and “active voters”. Otherwise you’re going to get some wacky data problems like this.
I think of a lurker as someone who doesn’t post - I guess your definition is someone who doesn’t interact at all (besides making an account and subscribing, I assume). But yes, I mean users who only vote are now counted (it’s not using views afaik).
