• PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de
    19·
    7 months ago

    What are some examples of features rhat should be native but aren’t?

    I use a couple extensions but nothing that I think should be in the core browser.

    • Ibaudia@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      7 months ago

      A good way to visualize large numbers of tabs (like with tree or panorama tabs), an ad blocker (Mozilla is supposedly privacy-focused but doesn’t have this), and a way to group tabs without having them in containers.

      • Adm_Drummer@lemmy.world
        7·
        7 months ago

        Who are you people with more than like 10 tabs open at once? Do you guys just not close something after you’re done reading it?

        • morbidcactus@lemmy.ca
          3·
          7 months ago

          Just browsing documentation can have me hitting that number of tabs easy. I tend to open stuff in new tabs so I can flip back and forth. Also if I’m searching for error messages I like to open in new tabs so I don’t have to continuously go back and forth. I won’t kill a tab until I know I’m done with it, I have a tab sleep extension to save resources for long idle tabs. Tab groups are a nice feature that I would love in Firefox to help clean things up, I tend to use new windows and virtual desktops to compartmentalise tasks.

          • Default_Defect@midwest.socialEnglish
            1·
            7 months ago

            The people I know do nothing of the sort and dodge the question when I ask what they NEED so many tabs for. Some people just think its easier to just have tabs sitting around rather than use bookmarks or accept that they aren’t going to read that article they set aside weeks ago.

            • spizzat2@lemm.ee
              4·
              7 months ago

              people just think its easier to just have tabs sitting around rather than use bookmark

              Mentally, I find that leaving a tab open says “I’ll get to that soon”, where a bookmark says “maybe I’ll need that someday”. “Soon” might still be two weeks from now, but “someday” might as well be never.

              Bookmarks just aren’t as visible. Think of it like having things that you need to do laid out on a countertop vs having them in a drawer. If you walk by the counter and have a minute to spare, you can see what you might be able to accomplish in that time and check something off. It feels like you need a lot more free time to even want to open the drawer.

              Also, managing bookmarks just looks daunting, and the more you have, the worse it gets. When I’m done with a tab, I just close it.

              Sometimes, I’ll use the bookmark toolbar, but I don’t see how that’s better than tabs, visually. It just has better persistence.

              Lastly, leaving a tab open can also be used like a post-it note to remind me to do something by a certain date. Every time I see it, it acts as a little reminder so that the thing doesn’t fall off my radar. That one gets a little tricky if you have so many tabs open that you have to scroll. I try not to let it get that bad, though.

        • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
          2·
          7 months ago

          Nah, then Google would have a monopoly and be subjected to extra rules and regulations.

          They rather fund a competitor than do that.

    • h3rm17@sh.itjust.works
      6·
      7 months ago

      Open urls in a container, by ñrepending them with something. Like, say I have 3 gmail accounts. Work, personal, and purchases. With official multiaccount containers I can either have gmail always open on one or manually open it on one.

      I have an extension where I can put something like “ext+container=Work&https://gmail.com” on my homepage and everything opens where it should.

      • ppercipio@lemmy.world
        1·
        7 months ago

        This is a great idea, and would make the issue with some extensions not being able to save tabs that are in containers moot.

        One could define a meta-url concept that holds the web URL as well as any additional tab context, this then could remove the need for extension to manage their own arbitrary per-tab store.

  • Bye@lemmy.world
    2510·
    7 months ago

    Hahaha python

    They don’t even have math in the base language, you have to import numpy to do basically anything.

  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
    3511·
    7 months ago

    Point out something that could be improved

    Be told to just download an extension to fix the issue

    Understand why regular people don’t use Firefox

    • Arfman@aussie.zone
      13·
      7 months ago

      To be fair you can have the browser with just features you want and nothing else that other people want that you don’t need

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
      2412·
      7 months ago

      Chrome simps unite!

      People don’t use Firefox because of trends, not because it’s somehow inferior. Yeah, no one gives a shit about your extremely weird tab preferences

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
        512·
        7 months ago

        We don’t use it on the computer we share because profiles work like crap, when I posted about it there were a couple of people saying “Yep, Chrome’s implementation is much better” and a lot of people saying “Just use this extremely convoluted way of half fixing the issue you have with it”

        • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
          121·
          7 months ago

          You think the profile feature is a popular reason to use chrome? I have been using the Internet since mid 90s and I never once used it on any browser until last year. No issues with it on FF btw

              • MufinMcFlufin@lemmy.world
                1·
                7 months ago

                Well only started using a browser profile, specifically in Chrome, within the last year. I still don’t use it for personal use, though. Or chrome for that matter.

          • whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            181·
            7 months ago

            It’s weird for me that an application should have profiles for different user, shouldn’t we use profiles on OS side, it’s also less problematic in my mind

            • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
              2·
              7 months ago

              Depends, it’s the computer in the common room that’s never locked and it would be a pain in the ass to have to switch OS profile every time one of us wants to check something on the internet that requires access to our personal accounts and bookmarks. The web browser is the only thing that needs to be separated. I don’t think it’s a particularly rare situation that people in the same family share a computer but want separate browser profiles so it’s in sync with their cellphone.

              With Chrome we each have an icon in the taskbar and our instances are merged under our respective icon in the taskbar.

              With Firefox “vanilla edition” we either need to access about:profile to switch or we can use a workaround to have separate icons in the taskbar but then because it’s not Firefox’s regular icon that we’re using but a shortcut modified to open a specific profile, each shortcut creates a new icon in the taskbar when we click on it and that’s where the instances merge, that means that if we both have instances opened we now have four Firefox icons in the taskbar and because of muscle memory we tend to click on the shortcut instead of the icon where our instance actually is so we end up opening a new instance instead of just opening the instance where we already have our tabs opened.

          • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
            22·
            7 months ago

            Just pointing out my experience when mentioning something that could be improved and it fits the meme perfectly.

            • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
              1·
              7 months ago

              So in your mind this meme is talking shit because somehow extensions are objectively inferior? Extensions are great because not everyone has the same preferences. To me this meme doesn’t at all criticize Firefox, as this is a valid choice faced with many features.

              • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                7 months ago

                Sure, but when stuff clearly doesn’t work in a logical way, you would expect devs to correct the program itself instead of relying on extensions.

                • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
                  21·
                  7 months ago

                  I don’t know of a case where anything is “relying on extensions”. The extensions I use are almost all for something not everyone wants/needs. And I use a lot, which is a good thing imo. I can disable or replace extensions that no longer do what I want or I no longer need.

        • blind3rdeye@lemm.ee
          2·
          7 months ago

          What’s wrong with profiles in Firefox? I have 3 different Firefox profiles that I use, just for myself. (1 for general usage, 1 for banking, and one for a particular email account.) From my point of view, the profile system works fine. I don’t know what else I’d even ask for to improve it.

          And even still, I wouldn’t expect most people would even want multiple Firefox accounts for a single computer login anyway; which is why the Firefox profile selector is disabled by default. (Tab-containers are a bit different, but related. I can certainly imagine a lot of people befit from those.)

            • blind3rdeye@lemm.ee
              1·
              7 months ago

              I’m not really sure what you are asking for. From what I understand it sounds like you have multiple people using the same computer, and they all want their own Firefox profile open at the same time. You’ve got a shortcut for each profile; and it works… but you are unhappy with how the Windows taskbar looks when you have these multiple profiles open at once?

              I feel like its a bit of a stretch to blame Firefox for what the Windows taskbar does while you have multiple people simultaneously trying to use the same web-browser. But sure, everyone has their own use-case. And if this isn’t doing what you need, then it makes sense to look elsewhere.

              • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                7 months ago

                I’m comparing how it’s handled by Chrome vs Firefox

                In Chrome you go to your profile, check a box to confirm that you want separate shortcuts, done and it’s handled properly when merging multiple windows opened by the same user. Each icon is visually distinctive as well.

                In Firefox there’s no native solution to have separate icons for each profile, the way to do it is to create a shortcut to the .exe file and to edit the path so the shortcut opens Firefox with a specific profile selected. Because the new shortcut isn’t the “regular one”, the windows don’t merge under the existing profiled icon in the taskbar, they instead add a separate icon in the taskbar where the windows merge, it means that you end up with two icons to open Firefox (one for each profile) and two icons where you actually find the windows currently opened. Add to that the fact that because it’s just “regular shortcuts” under the hood, it ignores the custom icon you’re using to differentiate between profiles (again, because it’s not a native solution) when creating the new icon where the windows are merged. You end up with two profile icons and two default icons and the only way to know which one is yours is to go over it to see what windows are opened underneath. Three users with each one having their own profile? That’s six icons in the taskbar if everyone has windows opened, three of them with the actual instances “in them”, all three using the same icon and they’re not in a specific order.

                The (native) alternative AND official way to handle profiles in Firefox? Open about:profile every time you realize you’re browsing under the wrong profile.

                There’s no real user-friendly solution. Downloading an extension to fix a UX issue is ridiculous, that’s on the actual devs to make it native. Installing Firefox twice (one beta and one regular) is a waste of space and potentially exposes one of the two users to vulnerabilities from using a pre-release versions of the program.

                When I mention that issue the reaction is always the same as yours “Don’t see the issue with it” from people who haven’t compared to the alternative or whose use case has nothing to do with two (or more) person using the same computer and only needing separate browser profiles and having no reason to need separate OS profiles.

                • blind3rdeye@lemm.ee
                  1·
                  7 months ago

                  I have shared a computer with people, but we definitely don’t want our stuff open at the same time. I would find that confusing and a bit of a violation of privacy. So that leaves me (and most people I assume) just trying to imagine what it is that you are not happy with. And I honestly don’t know what you are talking about when you say ‘regular shortcut’. As far as I know, there is only one kind of shortcut in windows. It’s a icon that runs a command of your choice, with an icon of your choice, placed in a location of your choice (any folder, any part of the start menu, or somewhere on the taskbar). So when you talk about shortcuts not being the regular one, I don’t know what you mean.

                  But look, if you say it’s bad for your use-case - I believe you. When I said that it was a stretch to blame Firefox, I didn’t mean it was a non-issue. What I had in mind was that your primary complaint seems to be about what Windows is doing rather than what Firefox is doing. In any case, like I said before: if it isn’t doing what you need then it makes sense to look elsewhere. Good luck to you.

  • herrcaptain@lemmy.ca
    811·
    7 months ago

    Hey now, they’ll build native features if it’s something no one wants (Pocket).

      • Pra@sh.itjust.works
        27·
        7 months ago

        It was cool in 2010 when I was like 14 and had an iPod touch but didn’t have wireless Internet access at home because my parents didn’t understand the concept of a router and thought they would have to pay for it, plus christian concern over porn and corruption on the net. So I could go to like McDonalds or whatever, download all of these game review articles, web novels, and whatever else I was into at the time so that when I got back home I could still interact with the web.

        Nowadays, yeah I don’t really get the point. Everyone’s permanently plugged in so a regular bookmark is fine. Also in case anyone was concerned, my buddy eventually gave me his old router and I secretly set up WiFi in my house so I was good for the rest of the time I lived at home 👍

        • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
          10·
          7 months ago

          Also in case anyone was concerned, my buddy eventually gave me his old router and I secretly set up WiFi in my house so I was good for the rest of the time I lived at home 👍

          Strict parents create sneaky teens. My mom’s way of grounding me from the computer was taking away my keyboard. She figured that without a keyboard, I couldn’t use it. I had a spare keyboard buried under my bed. I also quickly figured out how to use Windows’ accessibility options in case I was ever truly without a keyboard or mouse.

        • Lumisal@lemmy.world
          5·
          7 months ago

          Funnily enough with this explanation I finally get what Pocket is, because I thought modern Pocket was something different and not the same thing from back then.

      • herrcaptain@lemmy.ca
        311·
        7 months ago

        But haven’t you ever wanted the opportunity to pay for bookmarks? Now you can!

      • OfficerBribe@lemm.ee
        4·
        7 months ago

        Have never used it, but doesn’t it download the whole article? So if source becomes unavailable, you still get an archived copy similar to other services like archive.org.

  • xavier666@lemm.eeEnglish
    13·
    7 months ago

    What’s wrong with using extensions? Are you sad that your phone doesn’t have features and you need to use the app store?

    • Dojan@lemmy.world
      22·
      7 months ago

      I swapped back to Firefox a couple of months ago. I am of the opinion that all browsers ought use the same engine, but Google shouldn’t be given more of a chokehole on the web than they already have. It’s troubling enough as it is.

      That said, Firefox not supporting basic things like selectively turning off JS for websites, or vertical tabs without using wonky and inelegant third party extensions (and ui-chrome editing!) is honestly ridiculous.