I know they’re supposed to be good for the environment but… God I hate those caps.
If you have a limited mobility, they can be very hard to close if the tail is short, which defies the purpose of a bottle cap.
I don’t care. I don’t buy anything in those bottles, except milk every now and then.
Milk is the only thing I to not buy in plastic bottles.
It’s either that or cardboard bricks (only for long term storage milk). Glass is extremely rare nowadays.
Always cardboard boxes for me. Bought 0pastic for quite a while, but in the meantime AI get better quality milk in cardboard for less money than in plastic. And the glass bottles here are just stupid: expensive, single use with deposit. Neither good for the environment, nor for my time resources.
The cardboard milk here, being “UHT” (ultra high temperature) treated for a long shelf life doesn’t taste the same. For many preparations it doesn’t really matter, but for some it does.
This I would sign instantly! Here we have premium organic good for three days “Frischmilch/Vollmilch” milk in cardboard boxes too.
It’s convenient, there’s no denying it.
I seriously don’t understand how people have problems with these, they’re absolutely fine. Not hard to use, doesn’t get in the way and you’ll never lose them. And if all else fails you can just pull them off, not hard either. You gotta be dumb as fuck to have problems with them.
As with anything else, I’m absolutely certain this is the classic “something changed so I’m going to be mad about it and make up a bunch of reasons why it’s bad” thing that happens to every little change anywhere. And what is some tiny inconvenience compared to lessening plastic waste, helping the environment and hurting less living beings? Stop being such spoiled little shits and pull your heads out of your asses.
They are very annoying but easy to twist off so I dont really care
There definitely is an element of people just not liking it because it’s new, but there’s also an element of not getting any say in it whatsoever.
Also, they really do get in the way. They make it harder to get a good seal between your mouth and the bottle at any angle, and at the top they hit your nose. They are slightly harder to use, especially if you’re using one hand for any reason, including if you only have one hand. Removing them without tools results in a sharp bit of plastic which pokes and irritates your skin.
Finally, this is another patronising effort which makes consumers lives more difficult (by whatever amount) while not doing enough to combat plastic waste.
I did too, but I’ve actually gotten used to it now
Tbh this, when you actually just leave it properly attached it’s not much different from a water bottle lid at that point
Let’s just stop making all this shit out of plastic. Like immediately
Let’s make them out of solid gold
Everyone hates that.
I have kids and I don’t hate not losing caps.
Thanks for broadening my perspective.
just use it as intended instead of trying to rip it off
It’s annoying then though since you to take care not to pour over it or get it in your mouth. And lost caps weren’t even a problem before.
You are an adult (probably), you’ll manage. 🫰
Duh? It’s still stupid that a gremium of politicians waste resources to regulate non-issues. I certainly don’t want to live in the US but the EU is over-regulated.
That might be true I’m not well versed in EU law or any law for that matter, can you give some examples where you think that is the case?
When I think of EU laws that caught my attention it often was something that felt positive to me:
EU wide roaming Travelers rights Anti trust/privacy protection Usb-c charging
I don’t get it.
It stays open, you can drink from it, you can pour from it, you can pour into it.
What action does the cap staying attached prevent, warranting its detachment?
I’m seriously asking. I don’t get it. What inconvenience?
Many of the new bottle caps I encounter will actively push back into the closed position, meaning I have to keep them out of the way when pouring if I don’t want to pour over the cap. Since I tend to encounter them on drink cartons rather than bottles, because I don’t drink soda etc, it becomes even more annoying. Bottles you can turn whichever way, but drink cartons need to be kept at a certain angle for optimal pouring. Quite often the cap is in the way and there isn’t really a nice place to put it.
This is even more frustrating because I never lost these caps anyway, I always threw them away with the packaging. I understand that it probably helps in the bigger picture, but for me personally it solves nothing and is incredibly annoying.
Edit: two examples
This one is fine, it snaps into a position that’s handy and out of the way:
This one is very annoying. It’ll stay in this position and requires constant force to keep out of this position. When opening or closing the packaging the attachment point also rotes, meaning it’s always in the wrong place:
Funnily enough, I despise with every cell of my body the first cap. When opening the first time, it always create a mess by shooting liquid everywhere. And after that, it feels fo flimsy that it would break any second.
Hmmm yeah, now that you mention it I do remember a few occasions of launching soy milk throughout the kitchen. Still I prefer it over the second one though. After it’s been opened once, it’s much less in the way.
Wait, the Dutch Optimel brand doesn’t have attached caps. I think? Or I just mindlessly rip the caps off so they are loose? It doesn’t make any sense to have those be attached with an angle like that.
it’s attached and no it doesn’t make any sense and it sucks
The ones on the soda bottles are attached so closely to the ring that it makes it hard to put the cap back on. Because they are attached on one side, you always put the cap on at an angle which prevents you from screwing it closed. You have to pull the cap up a bit while closing to ensure it goes on straight. It’s a minor annoyance but half of the time it takes multiple attempts to put the cap back on.
The cap pokes my face if I try to drink from it without tearing it off. When I tear it off there’s then a sharp edge that pokes my hand every time I open or seal it.
This is such a bizarre design. I wonder why they don’t just make a bit of a longer “leash” attaching the cap to the ring. Because then the cap wouldn’t detached but it also wouldn’t be annoyingly in the way like this.
Here in the US, I haven’t seen these bottles yet, but I wonder if we’ll be getting them at some point. :p
It’s attached by two “leashes” and if you yank it a bit the other rips off making it pretty much what you described but it’ll still tangle all over your face when you try to drink straight from the bottle and also now you have the sharp bit poking you every time you screw and unscrew the cap. This is not the only design we have. I just happen to shop at LIDL and their bottles are all like this. Some other designs are slightly better.
With the bottles I have seen so far you can just push the cap a bit further so it is at an 180 degree angle and out of the way when drinking from the bottle.
Yep exactly they latch in a wide open position.
At this point there might still be experimental versions around, stuff which companies made and want to use up, but sooner than later you’ll only see the good, successful versions on bottles. The rest is muscle memory and, if you don’t have the physical/mechanical intelligence to figure out a latching mechanism yourself, learning by observing other people successfully not stabbing their faces.
Valid, I’ve mostly been pouring soda into glasses, and at least with my face, that doesn’t happen.
On larger bottles when I pour into a glass the attached lid always swings round. And it’s awkward to hold it wwhile pouring.
On many bottles I’ve encountered the ring that keeps the cap attached to the bottleneck has been quite loose, so you rotate the cap up/left/right, thinking you’re good to pour, then as you get going the cap slips back down, ensuring you distribute whatever you were pouring all over the the table.
The people complaining about that are mostly the same as the ones who complained that the masks were “suffocating” them during covid.
Oh shut the fuck up, that’s not true at all. It can be annoying without it being some kind of nefarious political issue. What a cynical person you are.
That’s not the case in Norway. We hate them equally. I hate it with a passion. Wore my mask dilligently without a fuss. Still do when I am sick and need to go to a shop.
I find it especially infuriating when driving a car. It is so hard getting it to seal properly one handed now.
How in the world did you make that assumption?
Maybe your bottles are different, but the bottles here in Germany have a very short “leash” and are often connected to the right in two places, so it constantly pushes in your face when drinking.
If an actual problem would have been solved, I’d be fine with it, but it’s just a pointless law which only exists to create the illusion of progress and shift blame onto consumers.
Rotate the bottle 90 degrees so the cap goes to the side of your face rather than mashing it into your nose.
…then it scratches my cheek.
Why is it so hard to understand that a useless piece of plastic in your face might be unpopular?
I guess because I’ve got used to it now and it’s entirely a non-issue in my life, I wouldn’t say it scratches my cheek at all.
If it means less microplastic in the sea, I’m all for it
And even that is dubious.
How many of the caps are actually reaching the ocean and is that actually a way to reduce that?
I mean, how about a European refund system? Works perfectly fine in Germany and actually makes recycling a bit easier?
These caps are empty gestures as I described above.
Less plastics on your streets, in your yards, and fields, is also an important goal
Then introduce a refund system. Has been proven to work in Germany for over 20 years.
And as I wrote in another comment already: these regulations are a distraction so that the real problems can be ignored. They are actively harmful.
I can’t see how attaching them wouldn’t increase the rates at which they’re recycled.
You can believe this was never a problem perhaps, but then you’ve got to wonder why the change was made—no one is gonna profit from the design of bottle caps changing, so what’s the motive for the change if it’s not a problem? Contrary to the somewhat common belief, politicians tend to try and not waste time on useless legislation.
A refund system costs money, this change basically doesn’t.
It was implemented as a symbol. I described it above.
The entire idea, similar to the carbon footprint, are attempts by the fossil industry to shift responsibility away from them and towards consumers. We from BP and BASF would love to stop pollution, but you guys keep throwing away the bottle caps! So they lobby the European Parliament to enact such regulations, the Parliament can act like they actually did something and the industry can keep producing plastics.
Yes, other solutions would cost more money. But these solutions would have at least a realistic chance to change something.
Remember the straight cucumber regulation? That was demanded by the retail industry. So it’s not like the EU doesn’t enact regulations for some lobby groups.
And if you think these caps are doing anything, the fossil industry fooled you successfully.
If that’s the biggest annoyance in your life, I want your life!
If you only have one annoyance big enough to complain about I want your life.
It’s not, and it’s disingenuous to imply that this is what I wrote.
You’re building a straw man.
It gets in the way of everything all the time
That said, i have seen good and bad examples of this.
No it doesn’t? I buy a bottle of something every day, these have never been trouble. Not once.
The first time I noticed it I thought, “neat” and that’s it.
How does it get in the way? You open it and it stays there. Out of the way of anything you might use a bottle for.
Are there different ones? Because I’ve only ever seen the one, and it’s the same one everyone hates on in pictures and videos online. Yet people say there are good ones and bad ones?
I don’t get it.
Out of the way of anything you might use a bottle for.
Everything except drinking from it! The scratchy cap touching my face and the sugary drips falling on me detract from the whole experience.
It seems other people have different experiences. I find the caps mildly annoying as they do seem to get in the way when pouring and refilling, and they are slightly more difficult to screw back on to the bottle.
Yes I hate them as well, they always get in the way and putting the cap back on is super annoying.
However, since these bottles were introduced data has shown they work. Bottle caps were one of the most found items in trash picked up from the streets. The number of bottle caps has gone way down since these were introduced.
So I’ve accepted them. Can’t argue with data. I’ve never returned a bottle without a cap in my life. I’ve never thrown away a cap separate from the bottle. But turns out the world is full of psychopaths who throw the cap in the street. Probably the same kind of person who throws their trash by the side of the road from their car. Fuck those people.
That’s interesting. I haven’t paid attention to caps in litter.
Here they ask that you separate caps and throw them out, to make recycling the bottle easier. Even if you do a bottle return, haven’t done that in years since we have recycling, but the machine shreds the bottle and pops the top off into a separate bin, I always assumed trash
Can you link the source of the data? I wondered, if this actually helps at all.
Im interested too on the data
https://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/handle/JRC108181
Most relevant here is that they found significantly more caps than bottles, indicating that they get lost. Also lots of other single-use plastics there practically everything that can be avoided has been hit by the banhammer. Oh, cigarette butts I’d expect them to mandate those to be biodegradable in the future.
Things such as fibres from fishing nets and unidentifiable pieces of polystyrene and stuff of course don’t get addressed by this, but that’s not the point the point is to do what can be done.
Thank you!
I can’t find it on mobile right now. It was a preliminary result, because the attached caps haven’t been required that long. Also most countries have implemented extra pfand systems for small plastic bottles, which also helps. So it’s tricky to say which regulation helped most.
But there are plenty of sources of how many bottle caps there are in the streets and oceans. And how harmful they are to animals who think the small bright things are food.
It also makes sense, instead of the bottle and the cap becoming seperate pieces of trash, it’s now a single piece. So it reduces the number of pieces if not the volume of trash.
Also for people from the US where bottles are shredded and caps typically not recycled. In Europe the caps also don’t get recycled, but instead removed. The bottle is then checked for leaks and defects and if it passes it’s cleaned and then reused. Actually recycling plastic is hard, so this way a bottle can be used at least two or three times.
You don’t get your pfand in many cases if the cap isn’t on, as well as the label many times. This isn’t so much needed for the recycling but important for the whole process. For example groceries are required to take in bottles, but are allowed to limit this to bottles they sell. So the barcode om the label is checked for this purpose. The label is removed in the recycling process. The cap is required to motivate people to return those and not have them turn into litter. It’s also a hygiene thing for the people handling the bottles, often there is liquid still in the bottle and without the cap it comes out during handling.
I will find the data later when I’m on desktop.
Can’t argue with the data!!!
Doesn’t provide any data
So sorry, I read it a couple of weeks ago and it changed my mind. Just thought I would share. I’ll try to find what I read later, I can’t find it on mobile and search engines suck these days.
One of the most important ones is this one: https://joint-research-centre.ec.europa.eu/jrc-news-and-updates/stemming-tide-beach-litter-2018-09-25_en
This was the basis for the decision to mandate the caps be attached to the bottles, since they found a lot of caps and less bottles. This would indicate a lot of caps get separated from their bottles, which this change should mostly fix.
The other was an interview with this guy: https://zwerfinator.nl/ I can’t find the interview, no idea why, but he hasn’t published the results yet (no idea why, it was scheduled to be published I think, but somehow got delayed). They were saying the new pfands really helped and the number of bottle caps have gone down. But this is highly depended on the location. For example a lot of research is focused on beaches, where there is obviously often a large delay between the deposition and the collection. In city centers this time is often much shorter, so the impact of changes are seen faster.
So sorry to disappoint, it’s too soon for a peer reviewed study diving into this. Also with all the other changes the EU has mandated on litter and single use plastics, it would be hard to quantify which implementation has what effect.
But my thinking was: There is for me good data showing this is an issue (which I was doubting) and the solution seems solid enough. Other changes like pfands on small bottles and cans have made a big impact (research is available for this, for example https://open.overheid.nl/documenten/ronl-8b11214f23388b3395402609d76286475b4f2908/pdf). And the people doing the research say they’ve seen results that it works. So that was enough to convince me.
If somehow the caps being attached doesn’t lead to less caps in litter, that would be a very interesting result. Without a doubt the EU would change the regulation to fix it, depending on why they think the change didn’t work. But this would not lead to the caps being like they were in the past.
You can solve this easily by not buying overpriced massproduced factory food.
Wanna fight back? Stop giving them money.
Or just, putting the cap on the side and never have it be an annoyance whether you drink from the bottle, pour it in a glass, or whatever really. People complaining about that have issues.
yeh I just buy the raw milk
Have you seen the caps on some milk packs? Those are just evil.
Aluminum can gang represent.
Problem: It’s a different kind of plastic from the bottle and isn’t recyclable. So it’s going to need to be cut off the bottle anyway. :(
https://www.rd.com/article/keep-caps-on-bottles-when-recycling/
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/you-asked/can-plastic-caps-water-or-soda-bottles-be-recycled
This is not about US bottle caps
I seriously doubt bottlecaps are any different elsewhere.
i just opened a strawberry juice from a bottle with the cap attached and when i pushed it far enough so it doesnt mash against my face, it clicked and sprayed me with juice that is now forever gonna stain my shirt
fuck these caps
User error
User errorSkill issueFTFY
maybe how i explained it poorly but its really meant to click to have enough space to put your lips, but the cap has a dot of juice stuck to it, so whenever you do that, you run the risk to get splashed
Oh that’s supposed to stay attatched? Thought it was only to make sure that bottle was unopened. I always just rip it off.
It’s a new thing that they’re harder to rip off. Because of EU regulation.
