I am also compelled to write “Israel is committing genocide” because right as of now at this moment, many Americans and Europeans can’t.
nothing is stopping us from writing that, or finding evidence of it online.
Yeah, step on snek…
almost baited, but then I saw which comm we’re in haha
Ahhh it got me too.
No this guy is 100% sincere lol. Also is a crypto shill which is just
I wonder if they’re able to see this?
Warning: NSFL
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Of course it was lol. Rule 1 apparently - “Be civil and nice”. I literally linked to an achived blog post, how was I being uncivil?
“As far as can be determined from the available evidence, NO ONE DIED that night in Tiananmen Square.” What?! Who would make such a blatant propagandist claim? China’s communist party? Nope. It was Jay Mathews, who was Washington Post’s Beijing Bureau Chief in 1989. He wrote this for Columbia Journalism Review.
Here are a few more examples of what western journalists once said about what happened in Tiananmen Square in June 1989:
CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]” — thus wrote CBS News reporter Richard Roth. Tinanmen CBS
BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square” — BBC reporter, James Miles, wrote in 2009.
NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.
REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.
But did people die in China? Yes, about 200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.
WIKILEAKS: A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”
if you liberals are so sure of your own understanding then surely you can read more on the subject:
https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/ cw: dead burned bodies of the chinese soldiers, but i’m sure you are into that
Thanks for the research.
Typical American politics, throwing the stone and hiding their hand after, the bad guys are always the others. Like the famous missile crisis in Cuba, 1962, which almost put us in a nuclear war, which by the way was avoided by the Russians at the last moment, while the USA already had its finger on the red button, to launch the own nuclear missiles, stationed in Turkey and Italy since 1959, pointing to Mosow, and no one talks about, because the bad guys are the Russians. US foreign policy has caused most dictatorships and wars today, for oil and for MAGA.
Russians are always the bad guys have you never seen a movie?
big agree
Like the famous missile crisis
Ok…
… and no one talks about…
Do you maybe see a problem in your own argument?
“Your government is bad on some level so my government can be bad on all levels and you can’t say nuthin’, hypocrite!”
I know it’s a crazy concept, but hear me out: More than one thing can be bad and it’s ok to criticize them all.
As an American, I can assure you that it’s a well established national pastime to criticize the government. You can and should do it if you think they’re doing something fucked up.
Don’t misunderstand me, it’s always the corresponding gov and it’s supporters, never the country and their people as such. It’s the US goverment which sponsor and cause dictatorships, genocids and wars, it’s the goverment of Israel which crete and sponsor Hamas to justify it’s genocide since more than 50 years in Gaza, it’s the global capitalism with the greed of a minority the cause of the degeneration and collaps of the society, spreading ignorace and fanatism with the help of manipulative media and religion since centuries.
It isn`t enough to speak and critzise the gov when later only exist the posibility to vote between the bad and the worse, or no vote, because in policy the silent majory don’t exist.
All of which still doesn’t excuse Tiananmen Square.
Like how we can’t tolerate the Hamas attack, which also doesn’t justify Israel’s disproportionate response.
Absolutely right! I cannot believe that the US government tried a colour revolution against the Chinese people. We can’t tolerate a foreign people defending themselves against aggressors, but we can tolerate aggression as long as it comes from the west? Hypocrisy
What happened exactly at Tiananmen Square? You have some good sources?
E: Yeah, i get it. “Look it up! Everyone knows!” I did, and I’d like some sources on the claims everyone thinks that happened. Most media outlets call it massacre but forget to put numbers, reasons and sources in the articles. What do YOU think what happened? What did YOU hear/read? What was the reason for the protest and what was the reason for the escalation?
clearly nothing happened at Tiananmen Square, china in 1989.
I assume they are asking for a source of there being violence on the square itself, and not the surrounding areas. Nobody denies that hundreds of people were killed, what’s controversial is whether or not this violence happened on the square itself or in the surrounding areas.
Absolutely nothing. Hundreds of people spontaneously died for no reason.
I assume they are asking for a source of there being violence on the square itself, and not the surrounding areas. Nobody denies that hundreds of people were killed, what’s controversial is whether or not this violence happened on the square itself or in the surrounding areas.
OK… And that’s relevant because?
“The CCP massacred people in Tiananmen square in a massive military crackdown on protests.”
“Nuh-uh, they didn’t massacre them in the square! They massacred them somewhere else!”
So much better.
I didn’t say it was better. I can’t speak for the commenter, but I imagine it’s in relation to the mass amount of misinformation spread about what happened in 1989, like the widespread myth that Tank Man was run over.
Personally, I think it’s important to both recognize the state violence and also acknowledge how Western Countries have propagandized the event beyond what actually happened.
Additionally, I do think it’s important to recognize that other massacres have happened in US-allied states like South Korea. The 1980 Gwangju Massacre is almost unheard of in western countries despite western estimates for civilians killed being higher. I didn’t see any commemoration on its anniversary last month.
It’s more to highlight how historical events have been exaggerated and minimized based on what is convinient for the media, you can see this minimization happening in Gaza right now.
The difference is the gwangju massacre isn’t regularly suppressed and denied by the country in which it occurred. You won’t get arrested in south Korea for publicly mourning at the memorial.
No, i don’t need sources on that. I’d like to hear claims on what happened in and around the square… Why it’s called a massacre? How many were killed? On which side were those killed? Were the ‘sides’ as clear cut as we are told? Why were there protests and why did it escalate?
Adding a user tag. I like to be accurate, what’s your stance on the Russia-Ukraine war? North Korea while we’re at it.
Oh look! A tankie!
Did you know that two governments can be bad at the same time?
People in China and Hong Kong can, actually. Presumably your understanding of the Tiananmen riots is about as garbage as almost every other Westerner’s.
- The Tian’anmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie.
- 1989 Tian’anmen Square riots
- A Note on the Tiananmen Protests
- Images from Tiananmen 1989 the West never shows (NSFW / CW: violence and death)
- Tank Man video footage. Tiananmen Square, Beijing, 1989
- [Carl Zha’s] Memories of Tiananmen Protest
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太丢脸了。
Like this is deeply embarrassing. Nancy Pelosi kneeling while wearing Kente Cloth levels of embarrassing. It shows OP doesn’t have any close Chinese friends and also demonstrates a reddit headline level of understanding of China; Hong Kong is not behind the firewall, HKers can (and often do) post this picture.
As a Chinese person, the mental image of OP smugly posting this to “own the tankies” in the same way MAGA dipshits post “Let’s Go Brandon” hoping to own the liberals has given me a near lethal amount of second hand cringe.
Please, for the love of god, never approach a Chinese person with this attitude irl. This is on par with ordering an “Irish Car Bomb” in an Irish pub on St. Patricks day, or saying “grassy-ass” to your Hispanic server instead of “thank you”, or trying to use anime Japanese around Japanese people, or code switching to AAVE around black people.
I’m considering locking / removing this thread, because of the massive number of orientalist comments and articles being posted. Redditors have no idea how racist they’re being right now, its completely unnacceptable.
What’s the historical significance of Tiananmen Square? People sure seem to like talking about it, but personally I don’t really see why it warrants so much attention, in the grand scheme of things.
The main thing to me is simply the Chinese government’s constant efforts to pretend it didn’t happen.
Contrast this with places like America, or especially Germany. Both countries have done awful things to minorities. They often put attention on those misdeeds to ensure future generations don’t repeat the mistakes. Now, it’s considered patriotic to protest poor government decisions.
China has official death estimates so I don’t believe that they deny that anything at all happened.
Now, it’s considered patriotic to protest poor government decisions.
Is it now? Would you say the student protests over Gaza are considered “patriotic” in mainstream American culture?
America does WHAT now?
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Exactly! And what’s the historical significance of the Holocaust? Why can’t people just get over it? I don’t really see why it warrants so much attention, in the grand scheme of things.
Comparing an incident where 11 million people were killed to one where hundreds of people were killed is a form of Holocaust denialism.
That’s a brave person right there, to stand in front of all those tanks.
What happened next? I bet it was something terrible.
The worst is that as iconic as it is, this photo doesn’t even capture a fraction of what happened on Tiananmen Square.
The full story is much bigger and much more gruesome. You can read about it here (WARNING: link has some very graphic and disturbing images): https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs
I remember the September 11 and more than 3000 killed people…in 1973, when the CIA organized the end of an democratic elected president to put an bloody dictator in Chile, Pinochet.
bUt wHaT aBoUt tHe UsA???
Fine, Tiananmen Square is China’s Gwangju uprising… In terms of casualties
Now, can you go fuck your mother?
Gwangju was less of an uprising and more of a directed anti-communist slaughter. Calling it a massacre is more appropriate.
To this day, Gwangju is looked down upon by the rest of South Korea due to this massacre.
which country you from homie? I can find you a massacre you have long forgotten and nobody was punished.
How about you give it it’s own post maybe even on the anniversary it happened so you can at least pretend to care about it instead of trying to minimise an atrocity committed by your team.
Buddy here doesn’t understand that you can support democracy for the workers without simping for some socialist project. Nor can he comprehend that criticism of political economies leads to a better understanding of things .
The liberal mindset of us vs them, as if there are two teams. Though to be fair this is partially true. It is us, the workers of the world, versus them, those who own and control the world. Solidarity among us who must work to survive is the only way to liberate ourselves from those who seek only power and profit.
Criticise every project, and your own beliefs. Learn from the mistakes you and others have made. And act with compassion.
Or regurgitate western propaganda what do I know.
It’s laughable to cry “whataboutism” when discussing international politics. Comparing how countries act in similar situations is one of the foundations of international law.
Libs and your obsession with whataboutism. This one isn’t even “whatabout,” the point is that the guy in this picture was fine, and in fact the army did everything in their power not to harm him.
In a complete opposite fashion, US drone operators gleefully shot random people and caused unbelievable harm to an entire region.
I proudly defend whataboutism when it’s used to exemplify the necessity of some tactic elsewhere or to compare similar cases for better understanding. But this isn’t even that
begone lib
Actually yes, it’s very common in China to have people maybe mention or discuss the June 4th Incident, in China it’s simply called 六四事件. Everyone in China has seen this image, yet still more than 95% of Chinese in a Harvard Study were found to feel positively about the Beijing Government.
Additionally there is very little to no internet censorship in Hong Kong whatsoever due to the One China Two Systems policy. Beyond information of the June 4th incident genuinely being accessible in Mainland China, it’s in addition “extra accessible” in HK. Many even speak and read English in Hong Kong due to English colonization so they could look at your post if they wanted.
2 systems until they arrested the prodemocracy politicians that represented the majority of the people in Hong Kong.
Wow that’s crazy! I didn’t know they did away with the two systems policy, I must be crazy, because I went there and it was clearly different in numerous ways from the rest of China. Weird!
I also wonder how many people were killed by police during those demonstrations, I know many Americans were killed and gravely injured by their police forces now and during BLM.
Additionally, if HK was such a good democracy beforehand, why did the “pro democracy” camp only have 29 seats out of possible 70 if they represented the majority of people in Hong Kong? Maybe in the US if we had a party that did away with right wingers and made housing more affordable that would be a good thing, it seems to have been working pretty well for HKers since.
Which politicians, and what is your source for popular opinions in Hong Kong?
If you have to lie to make your side look kind of ok, maybe it’s time to rethink things.
people in China absolutely cannot freely discuss the Tiananmen incident. Not even people in Hong Kong. Once-annual commemorations about this incident in Hong Kong have been canceled for a few years due to pressure from the government. People who ever dare mention this date - 4 June 1989 - on (the Chinese, walled version of) the Internet risk having their account banned and getting police visits at their door. Even the Tiananmen square closed down “for maintenance” on 4 June.
Oooh, an Hexbear trap! More users to add to my block list, thank you!
Can’t wait to miss your posts lol
It really is.
Currently debating whether to switch to one of my non-.world accounts for the first time in months to see if people from there and Lemmygrad have descended on this yet lol
Damn and I thought there are only the comments of yours and the one you responded to. But no, there are 15 others as well.
There’s some real doozies too, including one user (calling herself LesbianLiberty while simping for a regime that doesn’t allow same sex marriage or have any anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBTQ+ people) claiming that ALL Chinese people have seen the photo and 95% approve of the government 😂
I’m pretty sure that there’s no significant group of people who are 95% in agreement on ANYTHING, let alone 95% of 1.4b people agreeing that a totalitarian regime is doing a good job 😂
Hexbear is loud and noisy but their heart is in the right place and they punch Nazis. But hey lets hear what the reasonable neo nazi has to say.
They are always excusing dictatorship. Their heart is not in the right place.
Do they excuse dictstorship? Doesn’t seem like it to me.
No they just say dictatorships are fine because other countries do bad things too. Very different.
Receipts please?
You’re posting this photo because the video it’s taken from shows him climb up on the tank, have a conversation with the tank commander, climb down off of the tank and leave without incident.
E: literally 3rd result on YouTube, from the CBS news archives:
“That doesn’t make it any less impactful” Uhh yes it does, because the impact when this photo is shared without context typically comes from the implication that he was run over, like an American protestor might be.
That doesnt make it any more or less of an impactful picture.
Post that then
https://youtu.be/o-HgONOn0F8?si=wIUcuj_piodzT8KK
This one shows him being dragged away at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeFzeNAHEhU
Edit: This still cuts off the end of the video, but it does show more
That one cuts off right before the interesting part. When he keeps climbing up and down the tank, having a conversation with the crew, tries to stop it a 2nd time, and then gets rushed off by bystanders without incident.
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In other videos you can also see him being dragged off by bystanders in the end.
I know I’ve been told that he was eventually run over. Probably by some grade school teacher.
People thinking they saw the guy get run over is another stupid “Mandela Effect” thing.
No, he climbs down, keep hindering the tanks, then gets dragged away by two others. There’s a full video somewhere
Youtube keeps removing the full video, every link I used to have of it is gone.
I’m so glad that internet archive exists, it’s the best illustration of how the west constantly manipulates media.
Yep, it’s wild what teachers tell kids sometimes.
There’s also a bigger picture with Tank Man, that shows the mostly empty square the tanks were leaving, with a handful of soldiers and bikes.
And a bunch of other photos showing the battle that took place in the surrounding streets, with cops that had been lynched and burned and protesters gunned down.
The evidence disproves the western narrative of tanks machine-gunning protesters inside the square, then liquefying bodies, that were then burnt and washed down the drain (and getting stopped by Tank Man on the way out).
That’s not to say the Chinese claims should be taken at face value, but nothing I’ve seen contradicts their claim of 300 dead and several thousand wounded.
