Helldivers 2 is the first time in over a decade I’ve had actual fun in a multiplayer game
that’s because co-op multiplayer >> competitive multiplayer
Yeah I pretty much stopped playing competitive games completely. I really like playing with friends so I play a lot of coop. A way out and it takes two were some excellent coop games. Escape simulator and escape academy as well, if you’re into puzzles.
About twenty years ago I played Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal in multiplayer for about an hour, and I’ve never played competitive multiplayer since.
I can’t beleive I’ve never noticed the subtitle pun before today
The second one was called going commando lol
That was a good game, I used to destroy everyone at local split screen
Hopefully one day they remaster it in high refresh rate, 4K, on PC… but I’m dreaming, that’ll never happen
I feel ya. I played one of the CoD games online once back in the mid 00s and stopped gaming entirely for more than a decade. It seriously made me just lose all the love I had for games. I came back for Cyberpunk and it turns out that was a good time to get back into gaming.
School night?
The high end of millennials have grey hair and mortgages now.
School night for your 6-12yo.
Millennials aren’t having kids, silly. We can’t afford rent, let alone a child.
That’s Gen Z.
Us early millenials can “afford” it while taking on massive amounts of debt.
Gen Z is still too young to be having children.
Oldest Gen Z is 27 now.
Exactly. They haven’t even reached their 30s yet. These days your 20s is too young to have kids.
Or, in the case of one of my former classmates, her 26 year old.
Mostly paid off mortgages, in some cases
How old do you think millennials are? 80?
Not if you’re in the US with a 30 year fixed.
Haha most of us millennials in my circle are still struggling to own property.
School nights are when all the kids that fuck my very old mother have to log off early, so I get to engage in venerable spray ‘n’ pray duels with formidable peers. For a couple hours, I am esteemed ‘average’.
I’m a low end millennial and I’ve got both
A lot of people euphemistically use “school night” to mean work night.
God, I wish I had a mortgage.
I think that’s part of the point? The twitchy zoomers aren’t on?
I don’t have mortgage because I cannot afford it but I can afford grey hair.
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Yeah. That’s why we can rank on school nights.
Most the players better than us have to go to school in the morning.
We trade sleep for funtime.
You could be playing pirated GameCube titles right now, but you chose this
I miss multiplayer in PC games being done by joining a server and playing. No match making bullshit, it was fun to be in a server with a mixture of skill levels. As compared with a lot of game snow, when ever your skills improve, you just get thrown into a harder tier of match making until you reach your limit and burn out.
This is because tech bros only read pop-psy without any regard for context or nuance. So they read a bit about Flow state and ranking for gamification, and as usual they just botched it. Most ranking is typically calibrated for engagement, not fun. Mind you, they are two different characteristics. If you graphed difficulty and skill, flow is a band, not a point, of difficulty, in the middle. The idea is that when you are challenged slightly over your skill, there is something in you brain that stimulates you to keep going under the promise that overcoming the challenge will be rewarding. Too high and people rage quit, too low and people get bored. The problem is that they want maximum engagement and for that the difficulty has to be on the higher end of the band. A frustrated person will return, a bored one most likely won’t.
They also want to keep people engaged with random and variable reinforcement. The other psychological theory that drives game design, much how behavioral scientist cheat pigeons to keep them engaged pulling a lever or pushing a button. Mix both theories poorly together and you get the awful implementation we see on multiplayer. People are tricked into believing that just because their brain chemicals are screaming at them to keep doing something, it means they are having fun. But that is obviously not true, just nobody ever occurred that those pigeons might be having a awful time. Ask most people on ranked MP or grinding for builds on MMOs if they are having fun and they have no idea why you’re asking them. It has nothing to do with fun, they just want the carrot being dangled in front of their nose.
I just don’t do online MP anymore because of this. 99% of the time, I’m not having fun. Now if I want to play with my friends or other people, we play tabletop board games. Infinitely more fun and far more satisfying than any online game ever.
It has nothing to do with fun, they just want the carrot being dangled in front of their nose.
This might explain the marketing that seemed to start with mobile games and now infects AAA MP titles:
“PLAY NOW AND GET 34 GAZILLION WORTHLESS EMERALDRUBYGEMCOINS and a RARE DROP POPSICLE MAGIC DOMINO”
Like…a newcomer would have zero idea what the heck they’re even talking about but somehow it seems to work, to entice players with worthless free…server database adjustments?
Hardly any focus is on the games being unique or exciting (Surprise, they aren’t!) It’s all about a reward-based impulse, like training a bunch of rodents to use a casino.
That’s not my experience, and I’m an elder millennial. The only time tiering up has encouraged me to quit a game was when the higher ranked players were just more toxic. Being challenged can be part of the fun.
That’s not to say I think matchmaking is simply better than persistent servers. Having a group of regulars and developing a bit of a server culture is good fun. I guess I like both options depending on the mood.
There are still a lot of games that do this. Though you are right about the mainstream titles being burnout generators now.
I just want games focused on good old fashioned deathmatches. Just roam around the map and shoot whatever you see. No pressure on team tactics.
Playing Half Life multiplayer was so fun during the 25 year anniversary.
But then newbies would get killed a lot and cry, and stop playing. For some reason, this didn’t happen 20 years ago but now, it’s appearently a big fucking problem if a player doesn’t feel powerful in the first five minutes of the game…
I think gamers are just really entitled now. They expect awards for turning on the game. And God forbid if someone else kicks their butt because they have more experience.
I was playing quake and unreal tournament growing up and I got absolutely wasted in the beginning. Made me laugh so hard. Then I got good, very good, because I had to be to not die.
That’s right!
My match making in Quakeworld late nineties / early two thousands went from LAN with dad and brother at home, to LAN at compsci lab at HS after school, to local PC cafe, to regional LAN tournament to international scene once ISDN & ADSL became ubiquitous.
We were always welcoming newbies to the scene. But then starting 2003 the Nordic players became increasingly cliquey and started refusing to play anywhere further south than servers located near the Stockholm datacentre.
I don’t get why this is specific to millennials.
It’s not. But it is.
You guys are completing campaigns?
I don’t have children.
As a parent I don’t have the time for multiplayer gaming.
Sometimes I feel like picking up an MMO. Nostalgia is calling for TBC Classic. But then I remember that I’m not going to have this combination of desire and time to play again for like a week, at least.
And I’d spend all my available time tonight just installing it and getting it working.
And then forget it’s installed.
And then next time I can play, it needs to patch.
That’s not way to play an MMO, especially one where I’d be paying $15/Mo for what amounts to a couple hours of playable time.
So yeah…single player ftw.
