Pretty worried about the comments man. Murdering (or trying to) a candidate of any political party is terrible.
Not only is it terrible, it’s an actual threat to democracy.
I don’t know how anyone is surprised though. When you use words like “Nazi” and “existential threat” and “threat to our democracy” it can’t be a shock when someone tries to become a historic hero for taking out the supposed next Hitler, and people who buy into that propaganda language are going to cheer them on and want more of it. They’re frothing at the mouth, imagining they’re on the right side of history.
I get what the Dems are trying to do with pushing that language, but it really is playing with fire. It was a 50/50 chance that they could get him ineligible to run, alive or dead, and they’ve lost each bet.
This feels like some strained both-sidesing here.
Calling the traitorous self-serving felon that caused an actual attack on the government and the Democratic process “a threat to democracy” seems tame, honestly. And that’s not even getting into his promises to jail political opponents, be a dictator on day one, suspend the constitution, call the free press an enemy of the people, and claim absolute authority and absolute immunity.
But then that whole political group also seems convinced that a barely progressive status quo “let’s work together” administration is literally totalitarian tyranny.
On top of that, if trump would have been killed, there is technically nothing stopping the US from postponing elections, coming up with an intermediate solution to have a functioning government without a D. president (like, no appointing of judges and such) and then have an election next year when the Republicans had enough time to find a new candidate.
If trump pushes through the things he said he’d do and what his supporters are supporting like project 2025, there’s a real chance that there are no actually democratic elections in 2028. And this is ignoring the fact that gerrymandering and the electoral college are already questionable and regularly abused by or benefit Republicans the most.
He himself said he would be a dictator on day one.
Yeah, as a joke. Context matters. Like how I don’t think Biden meant he wanted some to shoot trump when he said “put a bullseye on him”.
Here’s your broader context, all direct quotes:
“We’re going to build a wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it”
“When the looting starts, the shooting starts”
“I will totally obliterate the deep state”
IT’S JUST A JOKE BRO, IT’S JUST A PRANK
Were you asleep the first time he was in office? Read Project 2025. That’s what they plan on doing if he gets elected.
I wasn’t. The economy was far better and we didn’t start any new wars.
I did read project 2025, but Trump has already said that’s not his aim or connect to him. He does have an agenda, but it’s not that one
His victory as president of the US is a threat to democracy. He already attempted a coup in 2021
I mean, he attempted a coup in the same way Biden sent that kid to shoot Trump a few days ago.
You know what’s more of a threat to democracy? Trying to imprison a political opponent.
Do you have a source for Biden paying off that kid?
Also, Trump should serve time for the financial crimes he committed outside of being president. Him being in prison wouldn’t be that much of an issue for a lot of his fans
Do you have a source for Trump paying off the j6 protesters?
The issue over his crimes are whether they’re actually federal crimes or not.
I never said anything about him paying off people who took part in the failed coup
I didn’t say anything about a payment either.
OceanSoap being loaded into the train car: “Ok guys, any minute now will be the prime opportunity to stop these fascist guys. Just remember to consider both sides, they might have a really good reason for taking us out to this isolated camp.”
Picking good arguments from both candidates isn’t allowing one to walk all over you,.
See they’re having us fill the whole back up again. This isn’t a mass grave. They’re just putting us to work! See creating jobs why complain?
I see republican voters shooting republican candidates as pretty much reasonable outcome rather than some newly emergent threat to democracy. Trump made his image himself, it was him who decided to harass miniorities and brag about reading Mein Kampf often. It was him who made republican message extreme, provoked an insurrection, had all those criminal charges and appointed obviously corrupt judges. He groomed americans into feeling insecure and threatened and radicalized a lot of them. I think random depressed kids trying to suicide by shooting him is the least he should expect, especially seeing that USA has a gun cult focused around right to bear arms against threats to democracy. Also a child rapist, which alone is enough for millions of people to pull the trigger. You’re seriously blaming his bad image on anyone else?
Trump made his image himself, it was him who decided to harass miniorities and brag about reading Mein Kampf often.
The absolute garbage that does be on the internet, honestly.
Right, sorry, it was his wife that outed him for having Hitler speeches book “My New Order” back in 1990, which he apparently kept in a cabinet next to his bed. In the interview he also admitted having a copy of Mein Kampf, though he never openly claimed to read that book often. When he quoted Hitler in 2023 he said it was just a coincidence. Which caused no one to feel uneasy, no one at all. His former chief of staff claimed that Trump praised Hitler for doing some good things, like rebuilding the economy.
So right, sorry, I mixed the “Mein Kampf” for “My New Order”, and it was his wife that outed that, he only confirmed.
People often talk about going back in time to kill baby Hitler. By all measures Trump would like to be a new Hitler and his most fervent supporters see him as that. Is it surprising people would support such an action to stop him?
If you unironically think trump would be a new Hitler, I’m either completely underestimating his threat or you’re batshit fucking insane.
what’s your opinion on project 2025 and its contents?
Dunno much about it, I’m not american, but at what I could find with a quick online search, it looks pretty awful. Looks nowhere near the control you’d need for a dictatorship.
None of his supporters, unless you’re talking about a very extreme fringe, look at him as Hitler.
Yeh cause if they did they wouldn’t be voting for him. That’s how this works.
I thought that trump supporters were Nazis and liked that trump was like Hitler, so what do you mean?
I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic but I talked to a friend last night who lives in Mississippi and he said that he talks to people who think that Trump is legit a good Christiana and a good person.
If your feelings weren’t mixed you either don’t value human life or you don’t value democracy.
Edit: a bystander was killed and so was the 20 year old gunman. This is the human life I’m referring to.
Sorry but most politicians don’t care about democracy either, just enriching themselves and close friends
is Democracy really just a choice between an evil and a good? the USA needs way more politcal parties than just two.
What? The current events are an attempt on someone’s life with the goal of saving what semblance of democracy we have left.
Did y’all seriously miss the memo? It’s pretty obvious what he meant if you haven’t been under a rock for the last 24hrs.
It’s pretty wishful thinking to think Proj 2025 and all the other MAGAs are going to fade away after the orange man is gone. Did you not see De Santis’ support before Trump entered the race?
There’s a lot of bullets in the country, Republicans made dire of that. Shame if it backfired on them.
The USA needs ranked choice voting
We aren’t running out of humans, and we don’t live in a democracy…
Turns out you don’t have to be running out of humans to value human life.
Define ‘Human’
If I have a bowl of rice, and one of the grains is actively trying to end my way of life, I don’t mind when someone shoots at it with an assault rifle.
First of all: rice doesn’t have that kind of agency
Second of all: shooting at a grain of rice in your bowl with an assault rifle is many times more likely to hit you than that specific grain of rice
Third, if that’s REALLY the best analogy you could think of, you should just stop the whole “communicating your thoughts to other people” thing. Evidently it’s not something you’re ever going to get the hang of.
Fourth and finally: a propos of nothing except the fact that I just listened to an episode of My Brother, My Brother, and Me, horses are overrated, and not just by the McElroy brothers.
I don’t have to have feelings about something to value it.
I don’t even know the news how can I feel mixed
Assassination attempt on Trump in a rally.
I see. Thanks
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Paradox of tolerance: Trump will end democracy and even more lives.
No, the person most likely to end democracy will advocate rolling back freedoms to ‘preserve’ it, or to punish the wicked people that are considered their political enemies. The most likely person won’t be a Democrat, but will almost certainly be a leftist that starts their own populist political party
Fascism has always been a right wing ideology. While leftists have made some terrible mistakes, you shouldn’t pretend they are the only or main threat to democracy.
Leftists don’t believe America can be saved, they wouldn’t “roll back freedoms,” whatever the heck that means, they would dismantle the state and build up a new one.
There is no way to know if he wouldnt have just turned into martyr and help elect someone even worse
Edit: a
bystanderTrump supporter was killedFTFY. They were attending a Trump rally. They weren’t just a bystander. They were complicit.
You are truly the epitome of an evil person. God help us if someone like you ever gains any real political power
Trump has frequently called for the violent death of his enemies. Everyone at that rally supported this position.
I don’t feel bad at all for the thing they want to happen to others happening to them.
So, for all your haunted ideals, at the end of the day, you are no better than him. You are a narcissistic person that gets a perverse pleasure from the suffering of your perceived political enemies
Would you kill Hitler, or throw aside your gun for the sake of “civility?”
Would killing Hitler make you “no better than Hitler?”
No, it means the next guy to commit atrocities will have a different last name. Your cartoonish views on morality is tiring
Gotcha, you would in fact let Hitler be.
I’ve been called worse by better people.
You don’t have to convince me. I believe you
Today was a bad day
No mixed feelings at all. I am unequivocally sad that we lost Richard Simmons today 😢😢😢
Damn this is how I found out. Extra sad now, thanks.
it sounds like he was in a dark place for the last decade or so; if that’s true, at least now he’s no longer suffering.
And Dr Ruth. That lady was such a charming little horn dog.
And Dr. Ruth! 😪
Absolutely not. My feeling of disappointment was completely unequivocal.
You mean this: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-use-poc-exploits-in-attacks-22-minutes-after-release/ ?
Pretty regular stuff if you ask me
No, there was an assasination attempt on Donald Trumpet.
I never understand why lemmy downvotes someone who is trying to help by providing accurate information, presumably because they think that there’s a very small chance that the person they’re replying to isn’t being sarcastic.
No mixed feelings, I’m absolutely devastated about how much harder saving the USA will be from today.
I’m getting a lot of Palpatine wannabe vibes from the left all of a sudden. Guess it’s a good thing Biden kinda looks like him now
Biden doesn’t look like Palpatine at all
You say that, until we all find out much too late that him and Darth Cheney were playing us all along
Nothing mixed. Fully sad he didn’t die and this will cement his win in the coming months. We’re fucked.
There’s still time for the DNC to swap Biden out for a more electable candidate and energize their own base again, for what it’s worth, though at this point I think the DNC wants to lose so they can secure more funding.
I’ve not looked at the news yet, Lemmy was my first stop. I’m thinking… earthquake in the Kremlin?
There’s a lot of really nice architecture there, it’d be a shame for it to be lost in rubble.
That, or we got disqualified from the Euros final xD
Trump got shot at. Trump fine (hence the meme), shooter dead, couple bystanders dead.
Trump got shot at. Trump fine (hence the meme), shooter dead, couple
bystandersTrump supporters dead.But that’s a sacrifice he’s willing to make
Dude is really going through the entire comment section and correcting people who use “bystander” instead of “Trump supporter”
they’re still people
We’re getting into paradox of tolerance territory, tbh. I’m not upset that supporters of fascism were killed.
I am upset that the guy with the rifle didn’t have better aim (if indeed that was actually how everything went down, and it wasn’t staged in one way or another, because there are several fishy things about this).
Yea americans forget that sometimes
The kind of “people” that are ok with killing most of the others.
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The Nazis sentenced to death at the Nuremberg trials were people, but they still deserved what they got
Yep, given the number of places currently ‘technically’ invaded by the country. I guess i guess everyone’s desensitised
i wouldn’t know, according to them and their folks, my friends and family and I are not people, so I guess my definition of that must differ. moreover, I don’t dispense sympathy for people who would cheer and support the news that me and mine have been hunted down and shot in the street. I don’t sympathize with the aggressors. I’ve just been trying to mind my own business and live my life as best I can, but these people (in sudden newfound need of sympathy and feelings of safety, lmao) have been talking for years of purges of non-Whites and gays, and civil wars, and rounding up the undesirables (that’s me, apparently, by virtue of birth) to clean up the country. might as well be asking me to sympathize with a school shooter over his hearing damage from not wearing earplugs while he mowed down a classroom.
Please try to remember that being better than them means being better than them.
Yeah, bad people who try to establish fascism in america, so nothing to be sad about.
They are, indeed, people. My point was only that they are not “bystanders”. They are actively involved, and much more so than the average voter.
This Rhino must be talking to liberals.
Yes, and the Republicans who miss when their party wasn’t loony tunes.
Bah. They’re Republicans in name only.
So, basically liberals.
Oh yeah, that’s right, I keep forgetting this is fashion commy territory and they use liberal as a slur like Republicans do with no self-awareness
You’re on Lemmy, outside of explicitly anti-communist spaces like Lemmy.world you’re going to find more leftists.
Leftists referring to Liberals negatively is standard leftism, as Liberals support the Capitalist status quo and stand in the way of progress. The fact that Republicans are even further right than Liberals and use Lib as a slur for people less right wing does not mean leftists are without “self-awareness.”
You could read theory if you want to, plenty of people would be willing to share tips and pointers, then you wouldn’t have to rely on edgeless snark.
It’s the same picture.
We’ve missed the exit for the third-best timeline that still involves That Guy: the one where Donnie bites the dust before the elections. Unless someone fills the guy’s plane with Anthrax or something like that, we’re still on track for locking in the USA as a failed state.
(the second best timeline with That Guy would be the one where he simply loses the election. The very best would be where the DOJ makes something stick against him & he’s disqualified before the elections.)
Let’s also face it, if there’s a candidate that’s so divisive that someone looks at the massive security apparatus for people like him and still think it’s worth trying to assassinate him, that would be grounds - at least for me - to re-evaluate whether the candidate is the right guy.
Having your own team trying to kill you says a lot too.
My feelings weren’t mixed on Trump. I hope the next person has better aim.
I was just plain old sad about Richard Simmons, Dr Ruth, and Shannen Doherty. They all deserve better.
I’d say I have no mixed feelings…
