(No, just keep on. These kinds of regulations were long overdue)
Unpopular opinion here: I don’t mind the Non-replaceable battery. Since battling my phone addiction, it holds up strong. I use the iPhone 14 Pro. Half a year ago I’d have charged it by my lunch break because it would’ve dropped to 20%. Now I’m typing this with 92% battery remaining. I also don’t care about the charging port. Yes, it sucks, but if it wasn’t for the headphone jack adapter I would not use it. I’ve been using induction charging ever since the first Galaxy Fold. Okay, I agree with that shops stuff.
What I really care about is the right of repairability. You can’t use things from another iPhone because in their database they have to manually remove the screen/battery/camera/cable/whatever from your phone and add the serial number of the new part. Like, if I order (overpriced) replacement parts for my iPhone 14 and I use those parts to repair a friend‘s iPhone 14, that fucking piece of shit throws and error unless some magical fuckery of a workaround is made.
Naive question, how did you battle your phone addiction in simple terms?
I found myself using my phone a lot more after the pandemic (from 1.45-ish to 3-ish daily) and I hate myself - less than 1h would be more than enough for healthy usage in my case :(
Certainly not a naive question!
I did it by accident actually. I stopped social media because I just never used it that much, not even lurking. I use a lot of Adblock, even YouTube still gets blocked on my phone if I open it via the browser, so I use this to open YouTube. I got a new number this January. In February I deleted my cookies. Google sends a code to your phone via message, if not, you a code a month later via mail. Haven’t used YouTube since. And then came the Reddit stuff and no more Apollo and there goes that.
I use it now for Duolingo and music and Melvor Idle
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Actually, since battling my phone addiction, my battery holds up the whole day. I use an iPhone 14 Pro, right now I’m 6 hours in my work day, currently on a break, typing this with 92% remaining. Half a year ago I’d have charged it by now because it would have had less than 20%.
You should not charge more than 70-80% to preserve the battery
Not on modern-ish devices. The battery controller already does it for you and shows you 100% when it is not physically at 100%. Plus, lithium polymer batteries are not as affected by this issue as older battery types. This is an old myth basically.
The battery in our devices (including the iPhone 14 Pro that the person I replied to has) are Lithium-ion and absolutely severe from this. BMS and other system like the kernel and OS do report for a different value of battery but they do not diverge from the physical level this much. The further from 100% you can stop charging the better, 60% being an even better rule. Polymer batteries does not mean anything in itself, but the common part is they still are Lithium-ion and need to be treated the same way Please stop spreading false information, even more when answering someone, and furthermore when this misinformation is dangerous for the climate you depend on
On Li-ion polymere batteries (from your message): https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-206-lithium-polymer-substance-or-hype
General information on how to prolong Li-ions: https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries
Fair enough, but the difference is not that much considering that you have to charge your phone more often if you stop halfway. Plus, devices are so power hungry these days, you need that extra % to last the day sometimes. Still, we can all agree that batteries will fail and should be swappable. They can be recycled almost in full. EU is doing good on this one.
Sorry for being defensive You are right we have to charge them more often which can be a burden but it’s still best for the battery chemistry. It should not come to 1% charge-discharge though, but cycle between 30-80 is great.
It’s true that in the end we need more and more those extra pourcentage so another reason to treat our batteries right from the start so that they keep their full capacity longer.
And completely agree that all constructors should let us repair our phones, including swappable battery from home
I just realized that the only reason I noticed my old phones’ battery swelling was that the back cover is removable and got pushed out.
Now I’m terrified of my current aluminium unibody.
I don’t think you have to be scared about this, it’s rare. Just don’t let it deplete itself too often (>20% for daily use and a full discharge/charge once every two weeks to recalibrate) and don’t expose it to low and high temperatures
Now hit em again with a FaceTime on other platforms and finish off with an iMessage on Android!
I would looooove iMessage to be an option on my computers and my friends’ Android phones. Signal is great, but iMessage is so super clean. I love that I can have E2E encrypted chats from my laptop to my friends’ phones.
People complain about BuBbLe CoLouRs without even knowing what it means… iMessage is legitimately amazing. 100% get it to other platforms, Apple!
Oh do I have some good news for you then. The end of the summer a few platforms are slated to launch an iMessage on Android app.
Sunbird is the big one that is getting a large amount of coverage and sells itself as E2E for iMessage (we’ll see at launch as it’s in beta right now).
Beeper is another one that’s an aggregation messenger similar to what signal originally was, but is also supposed to allow iMessage instead of its own alternative, as well as still being usable for text/RCS messaging.
I’m not working for either of these companies, I just have a significant other with an iPhone who always complains about my messages being green, and so I did some research into ways to fix it a few months ago and found both of these to be the promising fixes that don’t require self hosting a server (funny seeing as this is lemmy, kinda the theme here). I’ve kept it under wraps from them to be a huge surprise when it launchs and all of a sudden they can’t complain/talk about the platform superiority anymore.
Sunbird is somewhat suspicious to me because of the “we won’t open source because it’s less secure”. Makes me wonder what godawful nightmare their app is if they don’t want to let people look. Oh and if they’re doing it as a business decision I don’t want anything to do with them either as it’s still vendor lock in.
Please tell me that there’s a Lemmy community out there for EU memes.
At least the EU protects consumers’ rights, which is a breath of fresh air and it is something to be appreciated. Not going to lie.
Are they objectively doing this to help consumers though, or is there another reason and it just so happens to benefit consumers.
They are doing it to help consumers and protect the environment by forcing modularity and recyclable components.
Sure buddy. EU politicians are just absolute saints compared to the rest of the world, and there’s nothing in it for them. Jesus.
Don’t be salty because we’ve got a working democracy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sure, it isn’t perfect, but it’s not all about the money here. Being a politician on that level already pays quite nicely without being bought by a company or two. And voters have a lot of power over who gets into the EU parliament, so a lot of them really do represent the common folks.
If I could replace my government with the EU, I would not hesitate.
Let’s hope it stays that way, now that Fiona Scott Morton was appointed “Chief Economist of EU’s Directorate-General for Competition”.
Especially in contrast to the US who completely stopped pretending to support consumers.
Apple isn’t losing here. Eu is forcing them to make better phones.
These changes go against Apple’s business model and practices. Forcing USB C will mean they will probably try to add some bullshit software check to their plug in devices so 3rd party hardware makers will once again be shut out. These practices allow Apple to tell their current consumers “don’t buy 3rd party stuff. It isn’t made well and won’t work on our incredible phones”. Will that get struck down in the EU again? Probably. Will they make a few billion dollars before it does? Absolutely.
Apple has purposefully avoided moving towards industry standards so they can keep everything in their control. For better or worse, it’s actually one if the biggest strengths of Apple products. I know if I buy an iPhone, it’s going to work great (until the battery goes), and any of their add on parts are also going to work great because they don’t have to design drivers for the 400 different options out there. But that same practice inherently leads to these sort of anti-consumer decisions. Where a decision goes from keeping-in-their-wheelhouse to have-them-by-the-balls.
I will never forgive them for killing the headphone jack—but I at least understand the business model behind it. Samsung’s decision to follow suit likewise makes sense.
As for the other manufacturers who jumped on the bandwagon for no reason other than that they saw the big kids do it—handicapping their devices with what is to many a dealbreaker issue, without offering their own line of wireless earbuds / headphones to capitalize off of—I can feel only pity and disdain.
I will never understand 1/8” jack wanters. Why not just get a dongle? If you want to listen and charge at the same time get one with passthrough. If you’re using a $500 pair of headphones use a good dac.
As the owner of probably a dozen pairs of nice corded headphones, what’s the big deal?
A dongle is one more thing to buy/break/get lost.
I’m actually with you there. I switched to bt headphones in part to get rid of my coiled up corded headphone pocket. You can’t carry anything else with em or else it’s a fiasco getting it out (and in the process tears up your cord).
Yeah why would I want the clearly superior option instead of bandaid solutions…
What’s superior about not using a dongle?
Back when that was how I went around, the break point in the cable saved me a few times.
How would it not be? -I don’t need a dongle that I can lose. (You might never use your earphones with another device, but I do, so the dongle will need to get unplugged from the earphones at some point) -I can use earphones at the same time as charging. -A dongle is one more thing that can break. -I’m not stressing a port with something that it really wasn’t meant for
Also, when I have a headphone jack, I still have the option to use a dongle or bluetooth, so nothing is lost by having the port
I always just put it in my pocket. They make passthrough charging dongles, never had an issue with one.
How do you plug something not designed for your port into it though?
so true, I won’t switch phone anytime soon, as my S10 still has the headphone jack and I dont want to buy new headphones for 70€+ just because their batteries are dying. (Also it is still running great)
Um, what? Apple makes shitty design decisions to manipulate their consumer base. These regulations prevent them from doing that. These regulations mean the consumers win. Apple still has branded braindead consumers, but at least they went be able to scam them on batteries headphones and chargers as easily.
Exactly the eu regulations force Apple to make better phones.
Apple didn’t get big by producing quality hardware.
That’s arguable but the biggest selling point for apple is the plug and play environment and ease of use.
Definitely fuck apple but the got some of it right.
As much as I might like some of these features, I don’t thing legislating them is the right thing to do. Politicians are not technologists, nor do they have any insight into future product roadmaps. Not to mention, this is going to create an insane amount of e-waste when everyone’s old chargers become useless with their new phone.
“Everything must have USB-C” sounds great right now, but what about when it gets old and slow or something better comes a long that is worth the switch… we have to wait for the EU to tell everyone it’s ok and make a transition plan for the whole industry?
If we had to wait for governments to produce all new technology, we’d still be living in 1960.
Apple has clearly been in the middle of a USB-C transition for a while now. The MacBook Pro going all-in on USB-C probably did more for mass adoption than any other single company. I’m sure they had a plan for the iPhone as well. The EU didn’t need to try and force their hand here.
I’d also that 3rd party app stores provide less consumer choice. Right now I have the choice of a platform with a walled garden or one with 3rd party app stores. The EU is trying to take away that choice.
I don’t thing legislating them is the right thing to do. Politicians are not technologists, nor do they have any insight into future product roadmaps.
Without regulations we’d have child labour. Companies only care about profit, and will do their best to get that, and gladly sacrifice customer satisfaction and employee health as far as they believe they can get away with it.
Without regulations companies and employers would screw over their customers and employees left and right. We know this because that’s the reality we live in today.
I agree that politicians tend to be both technologically inept and slow as hell to act, but currently that’s the lesser evil.
I’d also that 3rd party app stores provide less consumer choice. Right now I have the choice of a platform with a walled garden or one with 3rd party app stores. The EU is trying to take away that choice.
This makes no sense. You can opt out of third party stores on both platforms. Adding a choice will never take something away.
If I choose to get my apps from the App Store which has apps vetted by Apple to give me a better chance at avoiding malware or apps that will cause issues, and a 3rd party option is introduced, it is likely that some apps I use will leave the App Store and will be forced to either risk the 3rd party option or live without the app I’ve come to rely on.
It also means to find an app I may need to search multiple places to try and find it. If I find it in multiple places I then need to choose where to install it from. Then, I need to deal with updates from multiple sources. If payments are involved, I need to then trust my card information with multiple sources. When my card into changes, I will need to update multiple sources. All of this seems worse for a person who just wants their phone to work and stay out of their way.
Well, no. The app store will come preinstalled on all phones still, meaning as a developer it’s in your interest to publish on the first-party store if you want as wide an audience as possible. It might be true that some apps will migrate away from the app store because of Apple’s draconian and unresponsive review system, but that’s really on them. I don’t think most people will though.
It does also open up for things like Microsoft’s Game Stream to get an official non-browser app, since Apple currently prohibits that from launching on the app store due to it not meeting their regulatory standards.
macOS can be seen as a test bed here. The App Store come pre-installed, but developers have dropped it in favor of going with their own payment systems, updates, etc.
On the Mac I don’t think it should be locked down. I guess I view something like the iPhone differently than an actual computer.
Feel like that’s a bit comparing apples to oranges. Apps weren’t originally acquired through some store on Macs, that’s a fairly novel thing. There were package managers and such before that but you’d more or less always get software from the vendor. Disregarding that the original iPhones didn’t have apps, as long as apps have been a thing they’ve always come from the app store.
Sure you can root it and get apps from Cydia and whatnot (if that’s still around) but I really don’t think many apps will migrate away, at least not fully. Users are lazy, and installing a separate app store or getting an app elsewhere is too much work for some. I don’t think you and I fall into that category given the platform we’re having this conversation on, but the fediverse is “too unapproachable” for a lot of people, even tech savvy ones, because you can’t simply download an app and sign up.
I’m in favour of third party app stores (or just the ability to install apps through the browser, no store attached) simply because I’m miffed my Apple TV cannot run Xbox Game Stream.
I think I’d be more accepting of side loading than full blown 3rd party app stores (of course one will inevitably lead to the other, unless there is a lot of sandboxing going on). Something you need to enable in the settings and jump through some hoops to do. It would open up things for some interesting use cases, but be enough trouble that no developer would do that unless it was absolutely necessary.
Back on the v1 iPhone I installed Cydia and messed with all that. As the platform matured it seemed less and less of a thing. I do agree with you on the AppleTV. Allowing things like Xbox Game Steam, or various other things like that, would put it into a whole new class of device. It could be what OnLive wanted to be, but more.
One thing that I find kind of funny is the first iPhone didn’t have 3rd party apps, as you mention. The answer for them was web apps, which everyone rolled their eyes at. However, here we are 16 years later and frameworks like Electron are essentially just wrapping web apps to run on the desktop. Maybe that web app thing wasn’t totally wrong, but just a little ahead of it’s time. I don’t like Electron apps, but I will say they have made Linux on the desktop a lot more viable for the average user.
I guess I have a lot of mixed opinions on this. I just like my phone to be a tool. A portal into some things while I’m away from a proper computer. I don’t use it as my primary device like so many do these days. It’s my link to the outside world, my life line while away from home, and thanks to all the 2FA stuff, proof of my identity. I just want it to work, be reliable, and stay out of my way. Complicating the App Store threatens that simplicity. I’ve often said that if I was 16 I’d probably love Android, or the idea of 3rd party everything on iOS, as I’d have the time to tinker and no real risk if something breaks. Not being 16, I have different priorities and I like that there is an option in the market that serves those priorities rather well.
Yeah the iPhone was definitely out a bit too early with aiming for webapps. Now the tools and APIs are really mature so webapps are more of an option, but back then? Goodness I dread to think.
Not being 16, I have different priorities and I like that there is an option in the market that serves those priorities rather well.
I feel this, and it’s in large parts why I chose to swap from Android to iOS when I got fed up with manually fixing my OnePlus One back in 2020. I spent 8 hours a day working with tech as it is, I don’t want to spend my free-time tweaking Linux or flashing ROMs to my phone.
Time will tell how the third party app stores will turn out, if they turn out at all that is. Apple might still find a way to severely limit them, like restricting API access to apps not installed through the first party app store, or something similar.
Maybe you should try reading what’s proposed…
The EU is not saying “companies should use USB-C”, they are saying “the industry should agree on a connector, and all should use that”.
They went to the companies that are key players in the market and asked “what connectors do you think should be used right now?”, and the companies said “USB-C”, so that’s what it’s used.
If in the future a better connector appears and the industry wants to change to it, they have to tell the EU “Now we want to use connector XYZ”, and that will be what everybody use. The standard is set by the industry, not the EU.
The EU knows what it’s doing. They don’t claim to know better than the industry. They just want the industry to do things that favor the consumer, not screw them to favor themselves…
American consumers are used at being screwed by companies that only see for the benefit of their shareholders. It doesn’t matter if the consumer has to spend more, or produce more waste. That’s not how the EU want things. Consumers and the environment are a priority here, not only shareholders returns.
I do agree on this, the EU doesn’t just blindly fly out with a proposal, they actually do research before they plan on passing anything.
If the EU knows what it’s doing, why are they only using phone OSes from US based companies? I’d argue that they don’t know what they are doing at all considering they have made extremely little contribution to the space and yet want to regulate those products. Imagine the kind of trash they would have to use if the US companies pulled out of the EU.
You’re talking about technological advancements, I’m talking about market regulation and the environment. If the price for technological advances is to let companies pollute and destroy the Earth, I don’t want it, sorry. I prefer a slower pace, but not destroy the only planet we have. And I’m saying this from a record braking temperatures summer. And I’m not even mentioning other things we do differently in the EU, because if we start comparing, it becomes rather unfair, and i’m not looking to humiliate people.
And I’m not saying those changes are necessarily negative, I’m saying that the EU is overreaching when they contribute very little at this point. And if you really want to talk about how you “do things differently”, without the US you’d all be using PutinPhones in 2030 and have no environmental regulations at all lol.
That’s the difference. You think the EU is “overreaching”. I think the EU is putting necessary regulations to companies that are prone to cross the line again and again.
That Volkswagen cheats in the emission tests? Here comes the EU sanctions. That Meta spies on people without letting them know? Start paying the fines! That Google abuses its privilege position to eliminate competition? Behave or pay the price. The EU keeps companies in line, and as a result, we have a healthier market. That’s how things are done here…
And please, don’t mention Putin. Our tanks and weapons are used in Ukraine as well as the American ones. NATO is a thing, you know?
How is making me throw away all my old charging cables and buy a bunch of new ones better for the environment?
Because if it’s done right, a single USB-C charger and cable is all you’ll need, instead of 2 or three different chargers. You buy less things, less trash out there polluting the environment. And it’s not like Apple hasn’t made you throw charging cables before… remember the 30-pin connector?
I do remember the 30-pin connector and how up in arms people were about the change. As it’s not just the cables, it was also all the accessories. When they went from 30-pin to lightning they said they designed it to last a long time and it wasn’t going to be something they changed frequently, because they understood the impact. The EU is now trying to force their hand on that. 30-pin was made for the iPod. The iPhone does a lot more and has different needs. I’m not saying we never need change, just that it shouldn’t be up to the government of 1 little part of the world to dictate what that change is.
Also, not needing to buy any new stuff means less trash than forcing people to buy new stuff. I assume that’s why the iPhone seems to be going last in Apple’s move to USB-C. If they move their lower volume stuff over and give it some time, a good number of people will already have other USB-C stuff they can use the new iPhone with, rather than leading with their highest volume product and forcing everyone to buy new instead of reusing other stuff they may have gotten along the way from other stuff they were already buying. I still know people who don’t have any USB-C stuff.
The fact that you need to buy a special cable to connect an iPhone to a MacBook (for example) should be a motivation enough for the change.
Apple has moved most of their products to USB-C, except the iPhone, and the only explanation possible is that using Lighting is profitable for them, even if it’s not convenient for users. Not all iPhone users are Mac users, and as you said, there are more iPhone users than mac users. All those iPhone users (and Mac users that use iPhones) are forced to buy cables from Apple or an authorized MFi manufacturer) that money will be gone with USB-C, as you’ll be able to use any cable brand you want.
On my part, I’m glad they’re being forced to do it. They seem more worried on incrementing their pile on money than doing something that may benefit their customers, in this case. So, good riddance lightning cables! You won’t be missed. And thanks EU, for doing it.
The other explanation for lightning on the phone is that it’s a better connector for a phone.
It’s simpler, easier to clean, more durable and is designed to break the cable instead of the phone when twisted or bent.
Lightning was better that the 30-pin one. Or maybe the first iterations of USB-C. These days, USB-C is way more capable, technically, than Lightning, and that’s why the industry use it so massively (even Apple for other products).
They don’t charge it because it will only benefit consumers, but not the company. And they only care for things that benefit them, irregardless of it benefiting the customers.
the only explanation possible is that using Lighting is profitable for them
I gave you another possible explanation in the comment you replied to. They have a whole product line to move and the left iPhone for last, because it has the most impact, and if they leave it for last, it will have less consumer impact. Why not assume good intentions when there is a reasonable explanation?
If it was all about the money, why would they have used the Qi standard for their wireless charging? Why would they have gone all in on USB-C on MacBooks, facing a ton of backlash, to push that port when everyone else was hedging by just including 1 USB-C port at best? Sure they make money from Lightning, but it’s likely a rounding error on their bottom line.
It’s also not a bad thing to have some cable certifications. I’ve seen tear downs of cheap 3rd party charging bricks, or tests of cheap cables, and they’re all really bad and out of spec. They’re cheap for a reason. Maybe that will lead to device damage, maybe it won’t, but I’d rather not risk a $700 phone over saving $10 on a non-certified cable/charger that cuts corners. It happened to my sister, I went against my judgement and bought her a 3rd party cable she asked for instead of the Apple one I thought she should get. A few months later she called me crying because he phone wouldn’t charge anymore. I felt like shit, even though I technically just got her what she wanted.
Apple makes as much good and reasonable decisions as they make questionable ones.
But why could that be? Simple, they make what interest and benefits THEM first. And if it incidentally benefits the customers, fine. If not, people will go up in arms, but they don’t care because they know that in the end, they’re powerless and will keep buying their products.
They don’t care if customers have to change accessories (the move to Lightning is the proof), they change things, or use new standards as long as it benefits THEM in any way, or is in their interest. All those changes you mentioned benefited THEM, and in some cases, the customers too, but in others, they didn’t and then customers got upset.
And they simply don’t want to change to USB-C on the iPhone because it’s not beneficial for them, it just benefits the customers. And that’s, in my opinion, all that there’s to it. And again, I’m glad that, for a change, they’ll be forced to do something that benefits the customers and not them.
Hope that clears the point.
“Everything must have USB-C” sounds great right now, but what about when it gets old and slow or something better comes a long that is worth the switch… we have to wait for the EU to tell everyone it’s ok and make a transition plan for the whole industry?
The entire point of the USB-C thing is so there is a standard charging port across all mobile devices. I doubt this is some sort of attempt at regulating the technology itself. If something faster comes along then it will organically become the new industry standard, just as every other USB charging port up to this point(e.g micro USB, mini USB). Apple is the outlier because they’ve kept their proprietary charging port for years, for the sole purpose of being able to set their own price for cables, dongles, etc… and preventing people from buying cheaper 3rd party options.
When bouncing between Android phones and everyone is picking a different style of USB, I can see where that is a problem.
However, those using an iPhone tend to stick to iPhone and the connector has been consistent for over a decade. People have a lot of those cables from 10 years of phones. For those in the Apple ecosystem, it’s more of a standard than micro-USB ever was.
It was also created at a time when USB was a complete mess. Having reversible port was really nice, and Lightning was the only real game in town. Thus, Apple users had a better experience for a decade, because they didn’t need to follow the rest of the industry that had an annoying 1-way port (I think it also had to do with trying to deliver audio over USB to headphones, when they were getting rid of the headphone jack. I remember reading about that, but I’m no audiophile). Now they need to change at the drop of a hat because Android decided USB-C is the way? USB-C is also becoming a mess, with a bunch of “standards” all hiding behind the same port, which is going to be confusing for consumers if/when they run into it.
I want USB-C on the iPhone, just not like this. And to be honest, with MagSafe, I rarely plug my phone in these days. It wouldn’t surprise me if Apple is planning to get rid of all the ports. There have been rumors to this effect. If that was the plan, do they need to keep a port around just because the EU says so, or can they remove it, because at least they don’t have a non-USB-C port?
For profit company’s aren’t “technologists” either. The non removable battery’s aren’t there for the consumers benefits, they are there to take more control over the repair market … and make more profit. Not to be more techy.
It’s all about market control/money.
USB c is what almost everyone except for Apple has kind of agreed on anyways (except for parts the notebook market and some older tech that still uses micro usb for some reason)
It’s not like in 2004, where Sony Ericsson, Nokia, Motorola and so on each had their own plugs…
And take a look at the PC market, where USB has been a thing since 1996 (I definitely did not have to google that *cough cough) ofc the plug evolved, but the design stayed the same so that you can plug 27 year old usb peripherals into your new shiny gaming PC. And I’ve had phones with USB c since 2016/17, so that has also been around for quite a while now.
About the 3rd party apps I can say: you are always free to stay within the “walled garden”. Not just on Apple, but on Android as well.
If it wasn’t for privacy I wouldn’t need 3rd party stores at all as Google Play features almost every (legal) Android app in existence. 3rd party apps give me the opportunity to choose between a big tech store and a community open source alternative. Having store monopoly increases the risk of dictating “agreements” & levies to app devs who need to submit to get their software to the end user.
I actually do have devices that old. The connector and communications protocol outlived the drivers. It’ll be recognized as some sort of USB device, but I can never use it without a VM running an ancient guest OS.
User expandable/replaceable storage, please.
There’s no reason whatsoever that a 2TB iPad should cost £1250 more than a 128GB one. I put an extra 2TB in my PS5 the other week for under £100.
Honestly one of my favorite things about my ps5. I can appreciate the small repair moves, but I’d still appreciate „Other OS” being brought back.
That’s the reason back in 2013 or so I switched to PS3 for my main gaming. MS wanted a shitload for a tiny ass 360 hard drive, but with Sony it came with a 250GB drive out the gate and I replaced it with a 1TB for less than the 250 from Microsoft
Of course, I switched to PC because Sony got greedy again with no mp3s on the system, trying to make me re-buy games I already had, and charging for online
OtherOS is never coming back, it gives too much freedom to probe at the hardware and find security exploits.
Sony also didn’t like it that companies bought PS3s in bulk and used them as cheap compute power. They sell the consoles at a loss but make that up on game sales and licensing. Someone buying them and not gaming is cutting into their profit.
No. Sony didn’t like otherOS because geohot used it in his first exploit. That is all Not a coincidence that they removed it shortly after geos findings ;)
They officially supported that aswell, then they quietly stopped the way Kia left the furry community
Whatcha mean about Kia and the furry community? A quick search has failed me.
Their mascot used to be hamsters.
I have a 512gb micro SD card in my phone… you just need to avoid the premium phones then you have options
With phones and tablets I can understand, honestly. Soldered-in insanely fast storage space is quite expensive. Only recently a 2TB NVMe drive (much slower than what’s in an iPad) came down to reasonable prices. 1k+ is still a hella overcharge, but for the type memory it is, I can understand it being more than a standard NVMe.
Expanded storage slots would be great, too… but slow as shit I’d it’s SD. Are iPads waterproof? If not, then that’s not an issue, but if they are, I could see that being a problem as well.
I can’t find any evidence that the inbuilt iPad Pro SSD is faster than modern NVMe SSDs. It’s somewhere between 1 and 3 GB/s depending on the model. The Crucial P5 I got ran quite happily in the PS5 at about 5GB/s.
It’s all very much a muchness for the kind of loads that iPads will typically be handling anyway. I doubt there’s anything that can process data fast enough to make the SSD the bottleneck.
I’m not knowledgeable enough to explain, but it something about the bus between the CPU and the SSD that makes it so ridiculous.
Super good point on the “iPad isn’t gonna be doing much/anything that NEEDS that speed” though. Most people aren’t editing 4k video or whatever on it.
Huh?brother nvme are faster…
Expandable storage does not compromise waterresistance. If a phone with a Sim card slot can be IP68 rated, then a phone with a combo sim/SD card slot can as well.
Nice, noted! Then that’s not an issue. My only issue then would be the speed of the storage. Not a big issue on my iPad as I don’t use it for much, but running stuff and even going through pictures on my phone would be a nightmare (…which is my fault for having 15k pictures on it and not clearing it out i. Years…)
If you have problems with going through pictures, it’s not the storage speed problem, that’s for sure. Even the slowest sd card is fast enough to load a picture in human speeds
Also, why can professional cameras have expendable storage? Recording videos and burst mode for example needs fast storage.
thanks for using POV correctly
And thanks to EU for using POW! correctly
Fuck forcing me to have a shitty battery. God awful bullshit.
It wouldn’t be shitty. Essentially, it will be the same battery, but the phone will just be bulkier.
Same (or better). Remember the aftermarket Galaxy S5 batteries that had increased capacity?
Actually, no, I’ve never owned a Samsung, lol 😂. HTC, then Asus, then another Asus, then Xiaomi, and now another Xiaomi.
Samsung or Apple, that’s mostly a US thing. In Europe, we use whatever we can, Moto, Xiaomi, Samsung, Asus, Honor, Vivo, TCL… whatever the operator offers that has the best performance vs. price value 😂.
Huh. Seems to only be me that buys phone in store then. EU too. I’m on Apple, but my family is a mix of Apple and Samsung.
Eastern Europe to be more exact… but I have talked to people from Western Europe, most of them take whatever the operator offers and is a good compromise between price and performace. Currently, Xiaomi seem like the best choice regarding this and stability/reliability.
A fatter phone is shitty. You really want to split hairs there.
Depends on your kinks I guess, I happen to like BBWs 🤣.
To each their own I suppose 🤣
My point, it’s it’s a downgrade for most people and you can replace the battery at a shop for$10 in labor (or dyi should you choose) if you want to keep the phone.
I wish I lived in Europe.
Many european countries have great immigration laws and opportunities. Some companies will offer relocation assistance and reimbursment. It’s a challange, but it’s possible.
Just please leave your cars behind :)
cars? you mean satan’s shithole wagon?
Can’t you just purchase the EU version or is it locked for non EU sim cards?
Some changes might also affect non EU countries anyways, at least there is no logical reason to keep especially the hardware changes region locked… On the other hand, it’s Apple
Same
Reminder: Steve Jobs was a non-engineer, non-designer Marketing guy who was famously against charity and refused to pay child support despite being mega rich.
He didn’t create the I-anything. He took what talented people did and made himself the face of it. He was a bad dude, a model capitalist, and the world is better for his preventable, self-inflicted early demise. Thanks for being into alternative “medicine” at least, Steve.
He went to Switzerland to try the proton therapy to cure cancer. When you know how expensive it’s, he could help a lot of people.
He went to Switzerland to try the proton therapy to cure cancer. When you know how expensive it’s, he could help a lot of people.
You sound like if Steve Jobs fucked your mom and never called her back X’D
If I slap you there’s a non-zero chance Steve Job’s cock falls out of your mouth.
I’m actually not an admirer of mr. Jobs either, should have clarified that.
I just found amusing such amount of anger, like something personal is involvedNo, I just don’t like when the do nothing capitalists, living or dead, take credit for the work and technical achievements of people that actually provide something of worth to humanity. People should think of rooms of engineers toiling and exhausted factory workers when they think about how their iphone was made, not Donald Trump in a turtleneck and jeans blustering about the magic phone he made.
Elon Musk is a wannabe Steve Jobs, it all makes sense.
Apple basically invented USB-C
You are confusing USB C to Thunderbolt (which has adopted USB C)
Nope, Apple participated in the creation of the USB-C standard, with a pretty big role in it apparently https://9to5mac.com/2015/03/14/apple-invent-usb-type-c/
I’d love if they added a minimum security-update time for the OS. 5 years of OS upgrades should be the norm, and at least 7 more years of life-support, where security updates are provided.
It is ridiculous how fast phones become unsupported and unsafe. The systems are so specialised that open source OS can not support them all. It’s all proprietary technology, dependant on proprietary code.
Once the last security update is shipped, the phone very quickly becomes a serious security vulnerability. Modern messaging formats such as emails and whatsapp become potential vectors of an attack. Visiting a Website might be enough to compromise ones phone. Even if every application you depend on didn’t already drop support, the phone is basically e-waste because of the OS.
On this front, Apple has actually been decent. They support their old hardware much longer than many android brands. However I still think anything below 10 years is absolutely ridiculous as it renders the whole device unusable.
I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.
Do agree on this. A law about supporting, at the very least, just security updates for your product in a 7 or 8 year life span is a must IMO as well. 10 would be ideal, but even an 8 year life span is not bad.
I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.
Probably, since most of them are smart now.
It’s funny how Apple does offer decent support from a phone perspective, but their computers get dated fast.
I just recently built a new PC after having my previous one for ten years. I didn’t strictly need to but I wanted to upgrade, my old PC is still fine.
Apple doesn’t offer that kind of support for their computers.
laughs in early 2011 15” MacBook pro
While you’re right, I can’t go past High Sierra… after popping in a SSD and 16GB RAM, that motherfucker still tears it up. It helps that it has a dedicated GPU, I suppose.
Same experience as you with PC though—my partner’s 4670k/1070 were doing just fine until they tried to play Persona 5. That CPU just couldn’t handle the train station; all those people dropped it to under 10FPS. Ten year old machine though, played Elden Ring at about 40FPS at 1440p! (The 1070 was the most recent part in their machine.)
12600k/3070 now, and it handles EVERYTHING. I’m jelly. I’ve got a 9900k and it’s beautiful, but I get TotK stutters and they don’t.
You can go to Catalina through the dosdude patcher if you (or some enterprising shop) disables the amd gpu with demux.
…fuck, really?
I will ABSOLUTELY look into this. I love my lil lappy. In High Sierra, system preferences recognizes my GPU as Intel HD anyway, so maybe my GPU is already unsupported. It did me well back when I got it, though—I needed a mobile Team Fortress 2 machine and it ran like a champ!
Yeah it’s a little on the hands on side but you can either pay for the license and do it yourself or pay them to do the whole thing
Interesting!
I’ve heard of issues with the GPU, and I’m fortunate to have never had an issue with mine. Well, I suppose it isn’t recognized now, so maybe that’s an issue? Or just a setting I should change. All I use it for anymore is sorting my million photos and when I need to video chat hahaha
In my experience when it starts to mess up you get white screens or artifacts on boot. Apple had a replacement program on these so if you’re the second owner you might have gotten one that doesn’t overheat.
I had a 4670k in mine, alongside a 970. It did most of the things I wanted well enough on medium-high, so I was mostly content. For a while I contemplated getting a newer CPU and slotting that in to squeeze some more time out of it, but after realising that Intel only supports their sockets for like a fortnight or so, I swapped to AMD for the new build.
What’s in your new build? I bet it blew your mind when you played anything you were used to!
I love both AMD and Intel, but the CPU socket being only for one generation is a full non-issue. If I’m going to upgrade my CPU, I’m going to upgrade my everything. I’ve legitimately never had the urge to only replace my CPU hahaha
I hate changing tech so I really just wanted to pop the CPU out and plonk in a stronger one. I figured it’d be a cheaper job than just building a completely new system, which to be fair it is.
My new computer is running on a Ryzen 9 7900X3D, alongside an Intel Arc A770 LE. The last-gen graphics cards cost way too much where I live, and the current gen I don’t really want to touch with their crazy power consumption and proclivity for spontaneous combustion, coupled with their ridiculous prices. Figured I’d give Intel a go, and I’m actually really satisfied with it!
My biggest “wow” moment was honestly opening up a project in Synthesizer V and seeing it all render instantaneously, whereas before I’d need to wait for some 10-15 seconds for it to build a buffer for a small part of the song. Doesn’t even matter how many tracks I have, it’s so speedy!
That’s a FANTASTIC machine!
The big problem with popping a new CPU in is how slow all the other stuff on your mobo is. Your old mobo maybe has one m.2 port? Might even be SATA m.2? We never used it on the 4670k machine. Also RAM speeds, if you could pop a 13900k in there, it’d be right crippled by DDR3. Always new mobo with new CPU for me. Also because I upgrade my CPU every 7-9 years, and stuff changes insanely. My partner’s mobo has FOUR GOSH DANG m.2 SLOTS. FOUR! We almost went SATA-less but had an unopened 4TB HDD so we popped that in there.
No m.2. I was overall okay with the speed, it just wasn’t completely keeping up. The way I see it, if I could’ve plopped out the CPU and swapped for something a few years newer, like 2017 or so, I’d probably have been much less inclined to build a new computer altogether.
I don’t like switching tech much. It’s such a hassle. I kept my OnePlus One around until 2020, at which point I replaced it with a second-hand iPhone XS because Apple supports their phones forever by phone standards. I work as a software dev, so I already spend 8 hours of my day mucking about with tech, it’s not something I’m overly keen on doing in my off hours.
Thus far I’m really enjoying m.2, it’s a lot smoother than running cables and stuff for a SATA drive. I have a few SATA ports I believe but I still have a m.2 slot open, so we’ll see! I think I’m more keen on getting a NAS for storage at this point.
I don’t think you’re making a fair comparison there really. You should be comparing Apple to someone like Dell, HP, Asus, etc.
What you’re really comparing Apple’s support to is your own, because you’re the one building and maintaining that PC’s hardware. Plus take a look at your 10 year old PC, does every component of it - motherboard, GPU, etc. still get security updates? Motherboards are one of the worst offenders in this area for just arbitrarily dropping support.
The fact that the PC ecosystem is so open is why it can last so long, but I don’t think it’s as imbalanced as you’re suggesting.
Disclosure: I don’t own any apple products
That’s fair, but also not really the point I was trying to make.
Excepting of Windows 11 (which even then you could just do registry edits), Windows will install on older computers. Linux sits in the same boat. Apple on the other hand has a tight lock on their software, and drivers, and arbitrarily decide “this hardware is too out of date” even though if you fuss around with it, you can get a newer version of MacOS running just fine.
This is less applicable now what with Apple’s transition to ARM, but it’s something I worry about down the line. How fast will your OS be out of date on the first generation M1s? In a year or two?
I still think you’re making unfair comparisons here. It’s more effort to get MacOS installed on unsupported hardware than Windows, but just because it installs doesn’t mean it’s supported. Just because a few registry hacks can get Windows 11 on an old machine doesn’t mean a future windows update won’t suddenly break it (I mean they break even supported configurations from time to time). I get what you’re saying, Apple do sure go out of their way to prevent it, but even if Windows let you install it, an unsupported configuration is still by definition out of support and it can just stop working at any time without much recourse.
Intel mac’s bought a couple years ago soon won’t be able to upgrade to the latest MacOS version, this same thing happened when they switched from PPC to Intel. On the other hand you can install Windows 10 on a pentium 2 and hell, of you could figure out a way to get tpm 2 to work you might be able to get 11 going. Some Linux distros with modern kernels only recently dropped support for PPC. Point being Apple ended support intentionally as they just don’t give a shit about their customers, their only interest is in money.
You’re talking about an entire architecture change, though. If you’re going to compare like-for-like, try installing Windows 11 on an ARMv7 machine, never mind that Microsoft frequently drops support for older processors anyway.
Yes, I have installed Windows 10 and 11 on ARM v7. Infact Windows CE was running on arm processors for a good long time with continued support. Windows hasn’t dropped support for any processors at all to my knowledge. Windows 11 required TPM2 but that’s not a processor. Your motherboard is the determining factor there, you can actually buy a TPM module for pretty dang cheap. Considering most PC manufacturers have had TPM on their systems used for a while it’s not a large factor. Those most impacted were people who did custom built systems and bought cheap motherboards. I actually mentioned this is my original comment but… Here we are I guess.
Even Desktop CPUs stop getting security updates. Intel 7th gen is on the chopping block soon.
Absolutely and I think something a lot of people don’t realise is that something can absolutely work fine and still be unsupported. I dare say if we took at look at an average home-built PC, the vast majority would have some component to it that was out of support in some fashion.
