I used to be subbed to /r/collapse. I see world news is covering that for me.
I think a lot of them also did come over here. No doubt about it, daily records are being broken but sharing without any context feels very on brand for that ole gang.
Me too but lately I feel like I don’t miss it too much. It’s all around us now. You either see it, or you’re an asshole.
Has been in earnest since about 2014 by my watch
Yhe they do think of everything
Global warming having a giant effect now.
My father in law is in complete denial. According to him they moved all the measurement equipment so that it favours “the Agenda” and gives wrong readings. He also claimes CO2 isnt a greenhouse gas. Sigh…
What like they moved the sensors closer to the sun?
What makes people become that dumb?
Propoganda baybeeee
Decades of it
Acknowledging the truth means accepting that we’re fucked, that even if we weren’t individually responsible (maybe) we are still going to have to deal with the ramifications… And that’s scary. It’s far more comforting for there to be a secret cabal controlling everything and that really life is gonna be ok and you don’t have to change anything at all.
Living in their own reality and being drip fed propaganda constantly
Republicans
FoxNews
fear of having lived your life entirely wrong and being too old to accept responsibility in changing it
It’s not being dumb, it’s being that stubborn.
If they hadn’t “picked a side” already, they would be very easy to convince.
I’ve spent years working at a fossil-fuel-adjacent company, and I’ve noticed that even some intelligent people (consciously or unconsciously) avoid any information that that might make them think they may not being living a perfectly moral life, or information where the obvious solution goes against their “values” (pro-business, free market). They also grasp for any information that affirms their values and lifestyle, no matter how easily discredited the source.
It’s kinda worrying that it always seems to result in Nazi-like conspiracy theories like “the Agenda,” “Elites,” “groomers,” “cultural marxism,” etc.
Cool. Great, even. Man, we’re fucked.
And its the coldest and rainiest july ive ever experienced. We broke the rain record a few days ago. Its not been higher than 20 degrees c, for more than a day, in the past 2 weeks.
It’s “global warming” not “Nioxic warming.”
It’s also a fundamental misunderstanding of how global warming actually works. It’s like grabbing a glass of water and sloshing it around: the fact that the water level might look lower if you cherry-pick a measurement in the trough of a ripple doesn’t somehow disprove that you added energy to the system.
But I saw snow last Winter!
Southern hemisphere?
Probably just UK
to be fair records only go back like 200 years tho but it is still telling about the direction
TBF you can also pretty know the temperature from thousands of years ago somehow accurately by analysing ice from the polar caps
they have daily readings from cores?
Yearly. They look at slices generated by compressed layers of snowfall. Thick layer = cold year. They look at more stuff but that’s roughly how it works.
edit: not sure why you’re downvoted. It’s a good question.
not sure why you’re downvoted. It’s a good question.
The herd acts in mysterious ways… one would have thought we left those practices in the R-site…
Also the composition of captured gasses dissolved in the ice help us see what the atmosphere was like back then
It’s a really cool field to look into NGL
Yeah but the original toot is only taking about measured temps, not proxy temps.
Geology disagrees
To be fair, everything earlier than 200 years ago is irrelevant. We’ve built our current society and civilization in the current climate. If it changes too fast and too much, we won’t be able to adapt in time and our society and civilization will be damaged or destroyed. That is what we should aim to prevent.
Whether it was even hotter while we were living in caves, or whether a couple million humans could survive the climate apocalypse doesn’t matter. If it comes to that point, we’ve already failed.
I don’t mean to disagree or argue, but I still think this is a delicate point.
We are moving Earth out of the climate in which humanity emerged, survived, lived and prospered.
Some point out how terrible it would be to stop using oil and coal. Which it would. But on the other hand - we survived 200’000 years without oil and coal, but we never had to endure the climate in which we are speeding right now.
I think we mostly have the same point. I just find it worth noting the climate has not been this hot ever in the whole of mankinds existence.
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to be fair records only go back like 200 years tho but it is still telling about the direction
Yes… that is how records work lol…
Yes, proxy measurements are a thing lol.
Human’s are pretty damn great at predicting issues and surmising evidence of the future and past based on current findings.
We don’t call our current epoch the Anthropocene for no reason.
The original toot clarified that they were talking about direct measurements only (but evidence exists that this is the warmest period in the last 125,000 years).
approximation is not a record tho
Ah yes, approximation is not a record therefore we cannot consider it a factor at all, regardless of it being our best estimate given our current data. You’re right, let’s throw it all out and opt for ignorance. 🙄
i suggested no such thing, you made that last part up for yourself.
i am just highlighting that comparing data from different sources/methods of collection is not proper apples to apples comparison. but sure have a melt down over it lol
I’m sure we would take ice samples from the modern era, ya know if any new ice was being deposited. Other systems are pretty easy to correlate 1:1.
Just because something isn’t digital doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or we can’t take observations from it.
No you’re acting like we can’t use this as a data point when it’s the data we have. It may not align apples to apples, but we have a recognizable trend that aligns with/exceeds predictions. I don’t see the point in doubting the data we have.
This Wikipedia page honestly has some of the best climate change graphics I’ve seen anywhere. They’re simple, fact-based, concise and paint a pretty obvious and telling picture.
Madness I say absolute madness
We are so fucked. And this is only the beginning.
Deep thinking is the only kind that matters
Stupid thing is that it’s locally so cold that I had to turn the heat back on last week after having it off for two months. Just a few weeks back I had to bring the fans down from the attic to stay cool. Shit is just weird. This summer is going to be fucked. There’s also not the usual pollen or insects.
Anyway, if you’re interested in visiting Denmark as a tourist, I can currently only recommend mid May or early September. The remaining 47 weeks of the year are “normal” 10°c and windy rain regardless of seasons.
Yeah, but have you seen the profits?
Whataboutism, the west contributes significantly more per capita than China. Yes they should be doing more but it’s better focused elsewhere
I didn’t get the sense that they’re saying China’s the sole reason for pollution - we all understand that it’s an issue globally - that article is just showing an example of how, instead of fixing the problem, the powerhouse countries of the world are doubling down on pollution.
How is this whataboutism? Who said anything about the West or East vs West?
If anything this comment is about how China continues to increase their carbon emissions per capita year over year while the west is doing the opposite.
Edit: In fact the EU produces less then China per capita…
Crazy thing about it, in the end, it doesn’t even fucking matter where the emissions come from, just that there are the emissions to begin with.
It’s better to focus everywhere. Not gonna solve this by shifting blame. That goes for EU/US shifting blame to China as well.
Instead of agreeing to nebulous things like “limit to 2 degrees”. International politics should have focused on specifics like “hey, at least don’t make any new coal plants”.
The planet isn’t going anywhere. We are!
- Carlin
Pack your shit, folks. We’re going away!
It’s unlikely I will need shit where I’m going
I wonder how bad things will get before people will rise up.
Rise up to do what? Burn more shit? :D
N+1
Next year is going to be worse. And the year after that even more so. And it will continue like that for decades, probably centuries.
Even if I could tolerate dumbasses who don’t think CO2 emissions (and destruction of multiple natural CO2 sinks) are the driver of all this, it’s still infuriating that they don’t seem even concerned that the world is getting hotter and more deadly and are focused on some nonsense topics that no one in their right mind would give that much of a shit about.
It’s not just CO2, though. For example, SF6 is regulated under the Kyoto agreement and a much more potent greenhouse gas. SF6 is used extensively in high voltage electrical switchgear, simply to keep the size down by having busbars closer together. There’s so much of it out there that the small fraction that leaks is very significant. SF6 takes ~20 years to get from the ground and up into the upper atmosphere. Its use has been and continues to grow exponentially across the globe.
Very interesting! Also methane, of course. Should have shorthanded to GHG.
but it’s summer duhhhh
- Republicans
