A new law has come into force in Hungary which threatens to push thousands of Ukrainian refugees on to the streets or back to Ukraine.
The regulation restricts state support for Ukrainians to those who come from parts of Ukraine directly affected by the fighting caused by Russia’s invasion.
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Wtf ? On what planet is the BBC “left centre” it is as establishment as it gets
When it says center, read “enlightened centrists”
There must be some sort of way to kick Hungary out of the EU for this shit.
That sounds appealing, but is that what the Kremlin wants?
Why would the Kremlin want Hungary to be kicked out of the EU?
Divide and conquer. They see the EU as an enemy, so they try to weaken it.
I think its worth considering the possibility.
Yeah, it certainly does not. It’s their most valuable asset in the EU 🤷
That was my thought.
Russia doesn’t need Hungary specifically, Russia needs someone in the Eu, to destroy from inside, and give internal info and passports.
If there would be a way to kick Hungary out, most of its current support would go to some other country, nowadays Slovakia has a Russian friendly government, between 2017 and 2021 Czechia had a definitely not Russia spy as prime minister and a lot of other countries has more or less successful far right parties with russian ties. There are a lot other options, not as convenient as the Hungarian messed up captured state, but still an acceptable replacement
I have an easy way to rectify this:
- Suspend Hungary in their EU voting rights for limiting rule of law. Stop the payments for the same reason.
- Suspend Hungary in Schengen due to Hungary making it easier for Russians to come to the EU.
- Suspend Hungary in NATO as they obviously prefer alliance with Russia.
That’s fucking embarrassing, Hungary.
They’ve been picking losers since the Hapsburgs decided to keep it in the family, why stop now?
Suspend Hungary in Schengen due to Hungary making it easier for Russians to come to the EU.
Would you prefer they stay in Russia and get drafted? Decreasing the flow of troops and arms into the region is good for the people who live there or ever want to return.
Usually, russians coming to EU are russians who are safe from being drafted.
spies and saboteurs additionally to the wealthy.
If that were the case, the EU would have broadly negotiated and agreed on the policy. Unilateral decisions that impact everyone is not how the EU works.
What do you mean if? Whether the EU negotiates an agreement, acts unilaterally, or sticks their heads in the sand has no impact on whether draft dodging hurts Russia’s ability to carry out the war.
More people of fighting age fleeing Russia and Ukraine makes it harder for their governments to send more to their deaths and puts further pressure for peace negotiations.
Or are your negotiations and bureaucracy more important than the Russian and Ukrainian lives Hungary saved by taking people out of the war?
There are already ways for anti-war russians to come to the EU, but not visa-free travel, which is simply stupid towards a country that has a history of sending assassins, poisoners, saboteurs and military posing as “tourists”.
This is not a problem for Orban of course, because he is putin’s buddy, but it is a problem for every other EU country that hosts refugees, defectors, weapons production, people they want to intimidate, etc.
Would you prefer they stay in Russia and get drafted
I would prefer Russians to stop supporting Puta.
Can’t very well support Putin militarily, politically, or economically if they’ve fled the country.
lol they sure can
How? Do you see people who fled Russia voting for Putin? Paying taxes? Getting drafted into the military? All things they’d be doing if they didn’t flee.
They go onto forums and post endless drivel unworthy of listening to in an attempt to sew falsehoods.
Cough cough, ты скучаешь по дому, товарищ?
They can do that in Russia.
What is false? That people who flee Russia don’t pay taxes to Russia and sure as hell aren’t going to get drafted?
I don’t get how any of this is contentious.
To suspend Hungary (your first point) legally requires unanimity of all EU countries aside from the one to be censured. (Article7)
Unfortunately Slovakia has recently elected a pro putin govt who will now block any attempt to deal with Orban.
There was a short window between the end of the Polish far right PiS being in power and Slovakia changing leadership when it could have been done. Unsurprisingly Orban was very compliant during that period and as soon as he regained an ally is back to his old tricks.
There is no legal way to do what you suggest
Edit, missed a word
What happens if you censure both?
Nothing. You can only invoke article 7 against a specific country, and with 2 there’s insufficient votes to invoke article 7 against either. You can’t do a “twofer”.
You have to remember this was considered an unthinkable nuclear option when the treaties were draw up. That two countries could both diverge so far from the EUs ethos would horrify the (possibly naive) original founders.
As that worn quip goes
" they did nazi this coming"
Orban introduces new mandatory subject in Hungary schools: How to be an ass just for the sake of being an ass 101.
