As some subreddits continue blackouts to protest Reddit’s plans to charge high prices for its API, Reddit has informed the moderators of those subreddits that it has plans to replace resistant moderation teams to keep spaces “open and accessible to users.”
Edit, there seems to be conflicting reporting on this issue:
While the company does “respect the community’s right to protest” and pledges that it won’t force communities to reopen, Reddit also suggests there’s no need for that.
Source: https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23762501/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-interview-protests-blackout
Everyone needs to realise it doesnt matter. Enough people already came to lemmy for us to carry on without reddit. Now we just do the normal long haul work - help users who need help so people start searching lemmy for tech solutions, post our normal content here so there is a reason to stay, upvote and comment others work so there is engagement. The rest will follow as this grows and grows. We have already won. Lemmy is no longer a fringe interest.
Hey everyone we’re trying to keep the reddit threads centralized in technology in beehaw. I’m not locking this one because there’s a lot of discussion, but consider moving the chat over to https://beehaw.org/post/576904
They can’t keep their story straight. First the protest is “noise” that will “blow over”. Now they’re forcing subs to re-open.
Look, even if the protest “fails”, they stick to the API pricing, and forcefully re-open subs, some things will be obvious and for everyone to see that weren’t before:
- spez is lying and isn’t trustworthy
- reddit cares more about IPO positioning and money than the health of the community
- people are willing to explore alternatives like this fediverse
Their handling of this situation has been piss poor. It feels like every step along the way, from the initial announcement about API pricing to his awful Reddit AMA where he replied 12 times and then fled, it’s been a terrible look.
I’m hoping more people see alternates like kbin and give them a go.
Good luck with that! I’m excited to see the fireworks as their brand-new mod teams use their brand-new mod tools right as they go public. Should be quite a show.
There are enough power hungry people ready to jump in the first opportunity they get to moderate
Sure, but let’s keep in mind eagerness does not equal competence.
Glad I left Reddit tbh, so far Lemmy/the Fediverse seems to be way better.
I’m tempted to say it’s better, but, unfortunately, in many ways it’s not.
What Reddit had, most of the time, was semi-canonical communities. There was /r/python, /r/linux, /r/privacy, etc. The diaspora of Lemmy is a shadow of all of that. Surely, there are a dozen or so (at least) /c/python communities on Lemmy, but is there a single one that’s anywhere near as active as the Reddit one? No. Not so far, at least.
And unfortunately, I can say as an instance admin, the lemmy moderation tools are just flat bad. We had to turn off open registration and enable email verification, not because we would otherwise need it, but the Lemmy moderation tools are 100% reactive and only operate on a 1-by-1 basis. If a spambot signs up 100 fake accounts, I have to go and individually ban each and every one of them. There’s no shift+select, ban.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad to be here, and Lemmy’s great, and there’s far less toxicity (so far). All I’m saying is, (1) there’s work to do, (2) don’t gloat.
Simply replacing all the mods sound like a good way to kill a subreddit, Reddit probably has no way to pick good mods… Mods will need some connection with the topic, and you don’t want to pick random users with no experience for large subreddits.
get ready for sudden and radical rule changes, non enforcement of rules, nsfw, bots, spam, all kinds of fun crazy shit in the subs with mods removed. I’m sure a percentage of subs would stay the same, but I don’t think that percentage is very high.
I can already hear the CPA/affiliate marketing bots spinning up lol.
…and the subreddit rebellion has been foiled. The remaining locked subreddits will be hunted down and defeated!
The attempt on my credibility by the Apollo dev has left me scarred, and deformed. But I assure you: My resolve… has never been stronger!
In order to ensure the profitability and continuing advertising…
REDDIT, WILL BE REORGINIZED…
INTO THE FIRST…
GALACTIC ADVERTISING PLATFORM!
FOR A SAFE, AND PROFITABLE WEBSITE.
— u/spez to potential investors. Maybe. Probably. Might be slightly paraphrased.
I mean… did you even ask his permission before just ripping his words verbatim for your own post?
😎
I’m treating the blackout like a strike, and I don’t cross picket lines, and neither should anyone else. No scabs. No one should be agreeing to moderate a sub that has lost all of its moderators to forcible removal.
I agree, but at the same time, the people who are willing to cross the picket lines are facists. They are desperate to take over any spaces they’re able to and turn those places into hellholes. A bunch of subs are about to be destroyed by right wing nutjobs forcing their way into the top slots. A former T_D mod has already set his sights on aww, which would be the death of a wholesome sub like that.
Well the more fucked it gets, the quicker it burns. After what they’ve done I’ll be glad to see it go. Spez poured the accelerant, he struck the matches and tossed them around. All the while being pled with and warned at the same time, that what he was doing was wrong. Burn, baby, burn.
When r/WorkReform sprang up overnight and proposed to elect moderators, Reddit’s admins threatened to ban the subreddit for that
Fuck Spez. Fuck Reddit. Build kbin.
Build
KbinFediverse.I like Lemmy more than Kbin, personally, but we can federate together and build up the fediverse 😄
I like the fact Lemmy seems to have a ton more instances, but I like the look of Kbin.
I’m the opposite haha, I think Kbin has some cool communities and stuff but I way prefer the look of Lemmy. To each their own! Beauty of the fediverse is that we can choose our own platform but still interact 😄
Any mobile web apps for kbin I can use for iPhone? Like wefwef for Lemmy?
Idk maybe, I implied I don’t use Kbin with that comment from 25 days ago. Not sure why you’d ask me tbh.
So much for moderators being “free to run their communities as they choose” as this article outlines
https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/204533859-What-s-a-moderator-
It’s pretty obvious they’re given free reign until they happen to disagree with admins and then it’s “they’re holding subreddits hostage”, “they’re just Stewarts” etc
Reddit admins will legitimately say and do anything to frame this as not their own fuck up
Lol stewards.
Reddit is already dead. Old.reddit will be removed soon.
Spez claimed that there are no plans to shut old.reddit down. We’ll see.
As of now, more than 80% of our top 5,000 communities (by DAU) are open
I’m a bit paranoid that this could be a technical truth because the communities still closed have dropped in DAU.
Edit: Checked the blackout tracker, of the ones listed 205 are still closed or restricted, so it’s probably an accurate claim, though it seems about half of the participating subreddits are still closed.
the fuckening just doesnt stop. u/Spez lost complete touch with the platform itself.
But hey, they own the joint. they can make their own decisions.
Yeah and we own this joint! I’m going to open my own instance, with blackjack and hookers
He has not lost touch, he doesn’t care. He’s bought and paid for. If shit does go south, he’s the fall guy.
the idea that a cabal of mods were going to take things in a good direction was always unsound
Notoriously mature and level headed mods that spend all day on the internet putting an excessive amount of emotional energy into something most people barely care about… Who could have predicted this?
The least they could do is make it less obvious who they will replace the mods with. I expect this kind of blatant takeover attitude from a place with less legal department. Like twitter.
