Except you have to contend with those fucking model names Sony uses. The Xperia 5 IV. The 1 V. The Pro I 5G.
I would have shared the hell out of this meme on Facebook when I was ~18 years old.
I’m about to drop a really dumb question in here:
Why do so many people dislike Apple? I have listed some of my problems with Apple (listed in no particular order):
- Keyboard layout
- I fundamentally disagree with FaceID and would prefer a fingerprint sensor
- Lack of customisation (you can’t even hide the finder on MacOS)
- Apple makes it really difficult for people to leave their ecosystem
However, I really don’t understand why people, ordinary people, dislike Apple, other than due to being overpriced. I mean I really think physical SIM cards are a thing of the past and less secure than eSIMs since you can’t just take a physical SIM out using a pin. Although I heavily dislike the provisioning of USB 2.0 in 2024, the reality is that most of my files, even on my Android device, are transferred via networks. And yes, for the point about battery, I don’t particularly care about the battery size as much as I do the battery life. Even then, I always have a charger in my bag. It also helps that I barely use my phone.
Once again, keep in mind this is from someone whose only Apple product is a Macbook.
I can understand hating on Apple as a company, I was furious at how long they took to throw USB-C on things, however, often times people provide arguments that are baseless, as are several “points” listed in this image.
Who cares about a physical capture button? Any professional required to use a camera for a living will not be using an iPhone. Who cares about physical SIM vs eSIM. Hell, I’m an advocate for eSIMs. Who cares about the unlockable bootloader? And really, with modern consumerism, who on earth is listening to hi-res wireless audio and not a song off of Spotify, YouTube, etc?
I agree with the 120 Hz point, there is no reason a flagship phone at a a flagship price should not provide a smooth refresh rate. I partially agree with the storage point, however, the vast majority of people do not take advantage of their phone’s storage, so why would Apple be competitive here? They try to optimise for profit. I definitely agree with the point about the lack of modern USB. The lack of the 3.5mm headphone jack kinda sucks for everyone who owns devices that cannot be used with phones without this jack.
I’m opening to listening to other people’s takes and discussing this with them.
no you got a point. i think your listed problems are the main problems you can have. with the hefty price and the “elite” vibe they sell in ads and so on, its really easy to hate. hateing apple feels like punching up.
and (most) android users dont realise that instead of beeing in apples eco system they are “trapped” in googles. I apprechiate apple for them not just blatently selling personal data, recorded from my phone. I also think in terms of polish there is no competiton. whoever used both, iphone and android phone, cant deny that ios is just far more polished. everything just works.
I personally dont like the apple proprietary ecosystem, but with no really good open source phone os, they are the best alternative on the marked atm. i dont know about laptops.
How are we trapped in Google? It’s a burden to move if I wanted to, but I can interface with everyone except apple just fine.
i am unsure what you mean about not interfaceing with apple? I heard in america imessage is a big thing that prevents that, but the rest of the world doesnt really use it. and besides there are many messangers that let you interface.
also i mean the burden to move. the burdon to leave the alphabet system is just as hard as the apple system imo. its just annoying both dont make it easy for any cross useage.
Edit: just wanna make clear i am not an apple apologist. i heavily prefer open source alternatives and use them whereever i can. i just dont get how people act as if andeoid/google/ect. are better or even good alternatives.
I agree it’s hard to leave any ecosystem. But while Apple maintains you don’t need any cross connection; Android, Microsoft, and (to an extent) Linux all play nice with each other.
I think their point is that nearly every other phone is in the Android ecosystem, isn’t it?
Oh. In that sense yeah. But most of us are also trapped on earth under that logic. I do think we need some more competition in the operating system market but I’m not sure who could pull it off. Even Microsoft bounced off of it. There is Graphene but it’s a tiny sliver of the market.
There isn’t really an Android ecosystem if you think about it. All Android devices can seamlessly communicate with Apple devices except maybe when it comes to APK’s
In my opinion apple doesn’t provide great value for the hardware and they’re lacking on the repair front. But when it comes to software, it’s so far and away better that I can’t justify staying on android. I mean forget about iMessage but go watch apples recent event and ask yourself how many of those features have parity on android. Very very few of them do. And androids watch OS is a joke and always has been.
Like yes the apple ecosystem sucks to be stuck in, but it’s also a strength if you embrace it. Nothing like those interactions between devices exist elsewhere. And the only other thing is configuration but it’s a minor pain point, not something I’d decide an OS on. It’s not that iPhone just works, it’s that it works at all. Many features on android aren’t widely supported and often get abandoned. Android just adds and adds more useless things every year without the refinement they need to focus on imo.
who on earth is listening to hi-res wireless audio and not a song off of Spotify, YouTube, etc?
I generally agree with you but as someone who can’t hear the compression in a good quality mp3 I can definitely hear when Bluetooth is using an older audio encoding protocol because it compresses the music to hell and back
Pretty simple: Pretending to deliver the latest tech for a premium price. But the non-pro models simply don’t have the latest tech, but they do have the premium price. And Apple practices upselling like no other (I mean, look at those storage upgrade prices).
#4 is the reason I never bought into apple. Also, the users are a little cultish.
There are a few video on YT from reputable creators highlighting malpratices Apple does on a yearly basis to rip you off in every way imaginable. Louis Rossmann and Hugh Jeffreys have done some “compilation” videos on that topic. To point you to a quick one, search for “Astonishing Anti Repair Pratcices by Apple in the last 15 years” by Hugh. If you value yourself, don’t buy Apple products.
They frequently didn’t allow me to use copy/paste around 10-15 years ago and I never forgave them for robbing me of such a basic feature. I switched to Android as soon as my iPhone died.
For me it was the pure ridiculousness of trying to pass documents back and forth with one person in the group using a Mac. Maybe Apple is better about universal document file types these days but that was it for me. I was never going to contribute to an ecosystem that created that level of disruption.
who on earth is listening to hi-res wireless audio and not a song off of Spotify, YouTube, etc?
The decision not to include hi-res audio support out of the box is more baffling when you learn that Apple Music in its basic package offers high-quality lossless audio for streaming. Why have this, and make your users jump through extra hoops to take advantage of it?
To answer your overall question, I am one of the Apple dislikers and with me it comes down to openness and customizability (I like to tinker with my electronics and computing devices, and I can do that much better with an Android device), and not wanting most of my money that I spend for the product I’m buying to go to marketing.
Sorry for the late reply.
I understand now why the decision not to include hi-res audio support out of the box is baffling. However, in your second comment you present customisability as a negative when in reality, it’s more of a trade-off. The more options you present to a user the more complex the system you have to deal with.
Sure, I respect and agree with your opinion regarding openness, and agree with the fact that Apple’s ecosystem is closed af. However, the point about customisability is a trade-off and imho a preference.
I’ve worked as a back-end developer (C++), so it’s not that I don’t know how to use technology or am afraid of learning or something along those lines. That said, there is a certain amount of elegance to simplicity and consistency, which I value.
And yes, I do currently use an Android device, which does have some custom gestures setup, custom icon packs, some applications which are not available via the Google Play Store. However, I really do believe that the point about customisation is a trade-off, and in my view “more customisation better” does not scale well; allow me to provide you with a simple example.
Suppose we could control every little detail regarding our device’s software (non-malicious), almost as if we had the source code, I believe people would struggle to access generally easily-accessible settings (such as accessibility settings). Furthermore, these settings likely (but not necessarily) would not apply consistently, and the lack of implication from settings (but greater control), might mean that someone might need to reconfigure each application for accessibility features, or have to accept the idea that they cannot fine-tune different applications for their accessibility requirements.
Lastly, to your point about marketing, you have presented a very logical and reasonable point, yet one I consider almost invalid, since we should be observing this through the lens of a consumer. They could choose to sell their phones at a loss despite spending a lot on marketing. I’m not saying it’s viable, but I’m saying it’s possible. However, the point I’m trying to make is that this isn’t relevant. We observe through the lens of a consumer. And so we look at the price we have to pay and judge the device’s “features” or whatever you’d like to call them, objectively or relatively, based on this price.
In summary:
- Agreed with hi-res point
- Agreed with openness point
- Disagreed with customisability point
- Disagreed upon the $$$ on marketing, not my job to judge what they’re spending on, I’m judging the end-product as a consumer
By the way, thought I’d clarify my stance on this, since I’m not an Apple fanboy, is that I prefer Apple to other tech giants (Google is an obvious choice for an example).
Thanks for your comprehensive reply.
First off, I am not an Apple hater. I see merit in their products, especially for non-techie users. But I don’t see myself using any of them.
Yes, customizability is a trade-off, one which I am not willing to make :) For me personally it justifies the choice of a different product. I’m not only including launchers and icon packs in this, it’s for example much easier to install e.g. an alternative YouTube frontend on an Android than on iOS, or to use an alternative app store (I’m assuming Android doesn’t have anything like F-Droid or Obtainium, both of which I use to get free and mostly open-source Android apps). You could say that’s a trade-off again, which it is, but I believe I should have the freedom to make that choice. It’s not like I couldn’t stay in the confines of Google’s ecosystem and have a largely similar experience to a closed off Apple-like system, it’s just that I don’t want to. But perhaps I’ve strayed from customizability back into the openness territory with this argument.
If I understood your example about fine-grained and extensive customization, I think you’ve identified these possible challenges:
- ease of access to needed settings
- consistency of application
I think both of these can be solved by the manufacturer of the OS. Google has been streamlining their settings menu with every new version of Android and extensive developer guidelines about how to make 3rd party applications consistent with the rest of the system are now the standard. In other words, I believe ease of use and consistency don’t have to be at odds with customizability, in fact they can reinforce and improve each other (example: setting a system-wide color tint that is then applied in all supported applications).
Slight tangent here, talking about consistency makes me think of another thing. I don’t know how it is today, but when I last tried using an iPhone, there was no consistent way in apps to go “Back” from an activity. Most of them had a top-left arrow that took you back, but definitely not all, and the experience was all over the place. Sometimes you had to swipe right, sometimes press an arrow in the bottom left for some reason… For all the talk about iOS’s consistency, it was not a consistent experience at all, and I believe Android had it figured out much better (not to mention that having a Back button on the bottom makes much more sense, esp. with larger screens).
And lastly to the marketing point. Look, I know the reality of selling a product is paying a lot for marketing so that you can actually sell it. I understand that. I am just psychologically resistant to ads (I am less likely to buy something I see an ad for), and I hate giving into trends. I think it’s part of my particular flavor of neurodivergence. And since having an iPhone is promoted as trendy and a status symbol or whatever, and seeing people give into that hype, that just makes me unlikely to ever buy one, and psychologically resistant to supporting these marketing practices with my money. Plus, the larger the corporation in general, the less likely it is to get a lot of my money if I have other choices.
for me the point about being locked into an ecosystem is reason enough.
Some more on that:
- Apple has actively resisted efforts by the EU to standardize
- iPhone doesn’t allow you to install apps they haven’t approved.
- Apple devices often refuse to interface with non-apple devices despite being physically capable.
- You cannot easily install other OSes on Apple hardware.
- Apple software is almost entirely closed source, and they likely have backdoors everywhere.
I just want to own my phone man
And let’s not forget their anticompetitive practices
There are more reasons than I have time to type out, but I am a long time mac and iDevice user. What’s got me raging lately is how, out of spite over a (justified, imo) EU ruling, apple is refusing to let EU customers access the newest toys in the playground. I’m in the process of transferring over to Android right now, I just havent found the right phone for me, yet.
user replaceable battery?
I’m no apple fan, but some of these features don’t really mean much, like the screen refresh rate, data transfer rate, or codec support. Pretty small subset of users are going to care about these, the vast majority of people just browse, play simple games, and maybe run a map or spotify or whatever.
That said, the 16 is built to use Apple’s AI, and that’s pretty much reason enough for me to not want to go anywhere near it. I’ll buy an older model before I support this AI crap.
It would be fine to have released a phone that is spec’ed for a basic user case. My problem is the expert user level price point for it. Disregarding all other gripes about Apple, that is.
My ~230$ android phone has 120hz screen and very similar features. However, I had to turn the refresh rate back to 60 cuz it was chewing through battery. (5kma)
As a person who has worked in telecom for over 15 years…shhhhhhhhh…
You like android better? Cool. You like IOS better? Cool. They do essentially the same thing in different ways with different pros and cons. What works best for one person may not be for someone else.
In 2024 if you’re arguing on the internet (or perhaps worse, in real life) about which phone is better you need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and take an assessment of your priorities.
Also, because I love downvotes apparently, this also applies to windows/linux/mac OS. Unless I’m on my Mac like “Gee I sure wish this was more open source, if only there was an alternative.” I don’t need you telling me to switch to linux bro.
Everyone I know in tech uses android. People that want capable handheld devices choose android. People that want a basic device that does what the company says and nothing else go Apple. Even I suggest Apple to old people and luddites, it protects itself from them. Oh, and people easily manipulated by social pressures (OMG I need the right colored text bubble!) will deeply overpay for a subpar device.
See, this is what I’m talking about. Being so invested in the type of phone people have that calling people with a different phone “Luddites” seems a tad excessive.
It is literally the equivalent of an iPhone user being like “Only poor people have android phones.”
Also, for what it’s worth, I too work in tech and talk to probably hundreds of IT people monthly and the phone type split is pretty even. I only know because a lot of time we’re doing security for their endpoints and we need to know device types for that. But see, much like your evidence, that’s just anecdotal. Neither of us know anything.
And my goodness, do I hate the whole colored text bubble thing, from both sides. iMessage is convenient because it gives you all the pros of a third party texting app without having to use a third party app. You’re correct that people get pretentious about it, and that’s ridiculous, but what’s easier? Convincing everyone you know to download signal or whatsapp or matrix or whatever or having that built into the text app. I mean, the whole thing is just a larger issue with SMS/MMS being garbage but still. Hopefully, with IOS 18 having RCS support, it will be less of an issue, but that remains to be seen.
Anyway, as I’ve clearly not demonstrated by consistently replying to randos on the internet, don’t think about it. There are more important things to worry about in this world.
what’s easier? Convincing everyone you know to download signal or whatsapp or matrix or whatever or
having that built into the text app[convincing everyone to buy the same phone].FTFY
When presented this way, the choice is very different.
You make a fair point here. The pressure to just buy an iPhone so you can use iMessage is frustrating and downloading a third party app is really easy (and possibly a better option than iMessage) but you gotta remember most people don’t think like that. Honestly, I use signal for most of my messaging but still need to use text for many of my family members because I’m not about to walk my Dad through downloading, setting up, and using a separate app just to text me.
Also, yeah Apple could make iMessage available on Android but in the same vein Nintendo could make games for Playstation/xBox. They could, but why would they? People buy their hardware for the specific software that is offered. It’s frustrating but that’s part of their business model.
The real solution is to replace SMS/MMS with a better solution, which RCS is attempting to do, but it’s sub par compared to anything else still, in my opinion.
That social pressure sure does a lot in the USA. In Austria for example iOS sits at 17.8% (July 2024) despite being a rich country.
Since none of Apple’s native services are being used the only upside of Apple products is their out-of-the-box neatless communication (MacBook-iPhone) and not being able to do much (this is an upside for old people who want to have as little options as possible, like they did on their old flip telephones). Accordingly, iPhones are very popular among people who only ever use their phones for photos and communication, which is a small percentage (as the statistic shows).
Most people simply care for what their phone can do (screen, camera, battery life, speed, customisability, software availability, bang-for-buck), for the camera it’s a tie (iPhones still win for videos, Android flagships win for photos) and in all other points Android wins, leading to its 70% market share.
Source for market share by OS: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/303829/umfrage/genutzte-mobile-betriebssysteme-in-oesterreich/
I know people in tech who use iPhones. But they’re definitely the exception.
It used to be the same for Windows until microsoft recall. Putting windows in that category is now an outdated thing.
Bro you got me there. If I can’t fully disable that crap when it eventually comes out I’m going to have to figure something out. (I swear to God if someone tells me just to switch to linux without knowing my use case for windows, I might even downvote them maybe.)
What is your use case?
Microsoft 365, two custom programs made specifically for the copy at which I work and that only run on windows, and steam.
And before someone jumps in and is like “You can do all that on linux!”, I don’t want to use the web portal for Microsoft 365 because it’s terrible(I mean, 365 is terrible in general but the web portal is worse), I won’t be able to convince my boss to spend like an extra $10K to allow the programs to work on Linux, and yeah steam works on linux but it can be a lot of work to get certain games to run.
Yeah being locked into an application sucks. I was lucky that the Proprietary CAD package we run had a linux version. Sadly Siemens decided linux share was low so dropped the GUI version of it, but left us cli version for batch processing work, so back to Windows to be on latest release.
So do you whip out this copypasta anytime people try to have a fun discussion about something or?
It is now my dream that this becomes a new copypasta. That would be neat.
Absolutely, well put!! It’s honestly sad in my eyes
I’ve given up especially when it comes to Linux vs Mac on the topic of open source. People will have such a violent reaction that they cannot possibly consider Apple as anything else but the literal antithesis of open source.
if you think Apple has a place in open source, you’d be right, but you’ll also get attacked for it because Apple bad.
Only a handful of months ago Apple released open source AI models that run on-device.
It’s so obvious over many years that Apple has always gotten their hands dirty in the open source world going back to even before the birth of OSX, both with use and contributions, yet this is stomped out by the notion of expensive and elitist Apple could never and would never actually bother contributing to open source codebases
I’m glad someone, mostly, got my point. I’m not an Apple fanboy by any means. I’m a “use the right tool for the job you are trying to do” guy. For me, that means using a mac to make music and art, using linux on older machines and for specific purposes, and using windows to game and work. But by golly, people sure do get up in arms about it.
It’s comparing hardware, not OS
Fair point, but the implication is phone type A bad phone type B good. And both those devices are tied to a specific OS.
the OS was not the comparison, but the hardware it runs on (just as @Freefall said) but also you seem to be wrong with your other assumption:
And both those devices are tied to a specific OS.
Which seems not to be the case as install instructions for another OS can be found here (i didn’t try it though) for the mentioned device:
https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/pdx215/
lineage os still is an “android”, but another vendor with clearly different approach than the original firmware and what hinders you from writing bsd drivers and compiling a bsd kernel for it instead? So i count the Xperia 1 III as NOT bound to any OS or OS vendor.
But despite the way longer possible support/security, freedom of choice and endless other possibilities that often come along with free OS choice, this pure and great advantages weren’t even mentioned there, thus it wasnt an OS comparison as it also wasn’t a bound-to-an-OS vs. absentness of vendor-lock-in-limitation-jungle comparison.
No implications, it is pointing out facts about hardware (where one is objectively worse). OS is not relevant and was not mentioned. Brand was mentioned because that was the topic.
It’s a relevant topic to talk about. You wrote so much yet said nothing except I don’t like seeing people talk down to apple users. Which i agree with a little but people will talk about relevant things like smart phone choice whether you like it or not.
Also have you tried switching to linux?
It was more the fact that someone took the time to make a meme about it. Like, go outside. Also, perhaps, I’m a tad jaded since I remember this exact type of thing only it was Blackberry/Android/iPhone/Windows. It was more relevant back in the day when there were marked differences between the all the different mobile OS, but now it’s basically the same thing different ways.
Also yes, I have several Linux computers that I mostly use as they are older machines so I drop linux on them for various projects or just to make the computer run better for web browsing and other simple tasks. I also have a Mac for making art and music. I primarily use my windows PC because I mostly game and work (using Microsoft 365) on it and that’s the easiest solution. I honestly don’t understand why everybody feels the need to bring up linux constantly around here. If you like linux that’s cool, if it’s relevant to the conversation, that’s cool. But if I’m on a windows related thread asking about a windows issue it is rather annoying for someone to jump in and be like “jUsT uSe LiNuX” every 3 seconds.
In summation, if people get to complain about how other phone sucks I get to complain about how people complain about other phone sucking is bothersome to me.
“In summation, if people get to complain about how other phone sucks I get to complain about how people complain about other phone sucking is bothersome to me.”
You know, you’re actually absolutely right. Keep up the good work!
When will the complain chain end xD
STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE COMPLAIN CHAIN! I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU’RE COMPLAINING STILL!
What about the need to tell others how to and what to discuss in their free time with their social circle? Can I do that?
- be me
- browsing lemmy
- see meme about how one phone bad other good
- get PTSD from having to hear about it for 15 years
- stupidly go into comments and read more people arguing about which phone good
- have flashback
- On the sales floor in 2010
- A grown man is telling me I need to pull an iPhone 4 from my ass and sell it to him or he’ll burn my house down
- snap back to reality (moms spaghetti)
- comment saying everyone should just get over the whole phone thing
- People argue more and tell me I should let people discuss things
- flashback to when a grown woman cried and told me I ruined her life because they were out of the specific color of iPhone 5 she wanted while her boyfriend kept literally screaming at her that Android is better and she’s an idiot for getting an iPhone anyway.
- make a stupid fake greentext comment to heal the pain
::rare pepe on the phone picture:::
As “three dead trolls in a baggie” famously sung… “Every OS Sucks”.
As true today as when it was first penned.
I’m invested because higher adoption of my preferred platform causes prices of said platform to drop, making the platform economically attractive to develop for.
Fewer users causes less effort to go into the platform by larger corporations due to lower revenue streams, diminishing updates and feature count over time.
Eventually, users leave due to pain points not being addressed. Shrinking user bases causes independent developer talent to focus on other platforms since the economics no longer work in the marginal case.
The shrinking independent developer contributions to the ecosystem make the required effort to develop for it that much higher, since the tools and apps that would have been built weren’t.
Higher development costs slow down feature pacing, due to the increased effort needed to substitute the efforts of missing ecosystem developers.
Lack of feature cadence drives users to other platforms, shrinking the user base, bringing us back to step 1.
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No one cares. Just use whatever phone you like. This post is extremely cringey.
use whatever phone you like
wrong. Use a fairphone
Correct, you could buy one fairphone for the price you’d pay for an iPhone over several years
Buy a phone and keep it for as long as you can, and in general, just buy less phones. Don’t upgrade each year, that’s extremely stupid.
agree 100%. One way to buy less phones is to buy a repairable phone.
That won’t solve the software side. My previous phone was still working, but then Google fucked up the software. The first because it required some new ssl standard for all connections that the phone didn’t support. The other one because google added a whole lot of local Infos, pictures and features to the map that could not be disabled, therefore rendering my Navi to a unresponsive, slow and battery draining app I could no longer use. And then there where some apps that would not run because my os was to old.
True! fairphones are at least okay-ish there too. They actively cooperate with devs that make open source android OSs. But yeah Google still has way too much power in the entire android ecosystem. Many banking apps don’t work without Google Wallet, which doesn’t run on degoogled OSs.
My iPhone is repairable and supported until 2028. And because Apple is refusing to make more mid-size phones, I will be using this one until 2028 at minimum.
Lol “repairable” as long as it’s just the battery, can’t even change the screen without breaking functionality because “security” and you’re more likely to need to replace the screen than anything
Repairability is definitely a factor, but don’t forget considering how long a company will support software updates for the device, how the device meets your needs no only today but 5-6-7 years from now, and your options for repurposing the device once it reaches EoL.
I will never understand if some people are rich or simply stupid to buy a new phone every year, especially iphones since there is almost to nothing in terms of upgrades to the hardware.
With T-Mobiles JUMP program you can just turn on your phone and they wipe out the remaining EIP in exchange for the new EIP each year (and for awhile every 6 months). If the new phone is not more expensive then your bill doesn’t change at all, if the new phone is cheaper then the bill goes down. They refurbish and resell the turned in phones, which also means the catch is you have to keep the phone in good condition.
I upgraded every year, then broke the tradition for my current longest streak of 2.5 years with the OnePlus 8T because no other phones excited me except for the Foldy phones, but at the time only the Samshit folds were available on TMO so I waited for the then rumored Pixel Fold. (OnePlus stopped selling in all Carrier stores in the US during this time, so noe OnePlus Open for me :( )
I have resumed the tradition as I am awaiting my delivery of my Pixel 9 Pro Fold tomorrow lol
It’s honestly been a fun journey that started with the Nexus One
Then to the Motorola Backflip (Cool phone, miss it dearly)
To one of the first phones with a fingerprint scanner (Motorola Atrix 4G, it was called a “gimmick that wouldn’t last” at the time LMAO)
To the Nexus 4
To one of the first waterproof phones in the US, my beloved Sony Xperia Z which then broke 6 months later (think I dropped it) which led to the Nexus 5
To my first and LAST Samshit phone the Galaxy S5 (Which I hated and upgraded away from as soon as I could)
To the Nexus 6 and then 6P when the “Phablet Wars” started,
To the OnePlus 3T (one of the only phones I bought outright)
To the second phone in the US to sport a “shatterproof” screen, the Moto Z2 Force (pretty fun phone, I tossed that thing around like crazy lol)
To the OnePlus 6T (Iirc the first phone they started selling in carrier stores) which led to the 7T and then 8T which led to the “Great Waiting” of 2.5 years for Google to hurry the fuck up with their Pixel Fold
To the Pixel Fold and now finally, the Pixel 9 Pro Fold
Lots of firsts, and experimentation in that list, lots of memories, root experiments, custom kernels, over clocking, pushed most of those phones to their limits in the year I had them. Hell, I would have probably been among the first with a Foldy phone if it wasn’t for the fact the first foldys were Samshits…
Thought this exact thing
cringe
You seem to imply that to use a fairphone means using a phone you don’t like
good point
would be nice if they shipped outside of europe…
do they not? That is disappointing
Yes, good recommendation for a phone with a chip that was underpowered at release. Good luck for the next 7 years (amount of time you’ll get software updates on a flagship phone which costs as much as the fairphone and very rarely fails)
The OP cares very much, for some reason.
not only OP, look at how many replies this has
Xperia 1 iii?
I have both, and the iOS integration of basic features is insane. Consider examples like… passwords; I’ll get a verification code in a text message or an email and it’ll auto populate and then delete the message. There are so many features like that, which make your phone a seamless part of the “ecosystem.” Android is the opposite. You need an app to do anything and it will require setup and it won’t work every time.
Convenience is what matters. Bootloaders and codecs are not as important as whether my earbuds connect instantly and 100% of the time. A phone should make my life simpler. Etc.
whether my earbuds connect instantly and 100% of the time
My airpods connect flawlessly with my android device and so do all my other Bluetooth devices
That’s not my experience but congrats
Yeah, it’s easies and will make your life simpler as long as you want to do something the producer contemplated. As soon as you need a feature that is a little bit more peculiar, good luck with that.
And with this i don’t mean that Android is perfect, just that an even more closed ecosystem isn’t exactely the best choice.
You’re not wrong. I just think phones do too much as it is. I have like 5 computers, and I don’t need my phone to do everything. But what it does it has to do perfectly.
That Sony retailed for $1300 when it launched
The iPhone goes for $800
The 13 Pro which released around the same time also had USB 3.2g2 and 120hz display. The Pros are clearly a better comparison.
That’s not to say Apple’s done good or anything, just a super expensive Android device vs the entry iPhone doesn’t seem like the best comparison
Was gonna ss with the 16 as comparison but it doesn’t show pricing. 15 is still $eu600 or greater REFURBISHED. The xperia is $eu 400 REFURBISHED. (SS shows the cheapest on amazon for both.)So, iPhones retain their value better?
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in 2021
The iPhone 13 was 2021.
op’s post was making the point that a lot of specs of the 2024 iphone 16 were already found on the 2021 sony xperia 1 III. I don’t really care about either, and you could use a lot of different 2021 android phones as a comparison. I don’t even think the comparison is entirely fair, but to ignore the fact that apple is clearly lagging behind android on certain aspects while hiding behind marketing is just misguided. Also, their phones are just overpriced because of price, and the innovation argument is getting old.
Thanks for the clarification!
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Someone should saw off the legs of the techbros that came up with the idea of removing the headphone jacks from phones. Just like the headphone jacks, legs are technologically “superseeded” by cars and electronic wheelchairs.
I wouldn’t mind if they replaced TRRS with a better connector. I get that the jack is a large part and it’s difficult to seal against water ingress. The wiper contacts on it are also unreliable, and the plug doesn’t release well when your cord snags.
Multiplexing headphones with my one and only charging port is absolutely the worst possible answer.
(Did i forget to mention that I want it to be an open connector? One that any vendor can make without Apple’s permission?)
(Did i forget to mention that I want it to be an open connector? One that any vendor can make without Apple’s permission?)
Apple ditched Lightning last year. All iPhones from the 15 forward are USB-C.
Lightning and USB-C are both equally terrible headphone plugs.
Sure, in that the port is far more versatile than it needs to be for audio output. I’m not arguing otherwise.
I did a arm chair calculation and the money saved on not having a headphone jack at 0.10pence per peice, and found that they didn’t spend 200,000 quid on headphone jacks. (I read that since iphones after 6 don’t have it, so that’s 28 models of phone, that’s millions of phones, so I guessed 2million phones multiplied by 0.10 which gave me 200,000.)
Meh, I haven’t really missed it as much as I expected. The one and only (pretty minor in my case) issue I’ve run into is not being able to charge the phone while connected to the car’s stereo. Though it wouldn’t surprise me if you could just use a usb-c splitter to do that.
Fair point, at least they should give us two USB-C ports, at least on the flagship models.
Think they do it to save like 10 pence on tens of thousands of phones, but that’s what happens when you are legally required to chase profit and the only way to do it is to enshitefy your product
They did it to improve water resistance and to sell the more expensive wireless earpods.
That is an added benefit or apple and google
which don’t really matter unless the difference allows your phones to survive a full cycle in a washing machine. So far many phones which removed the headphone jack still does not.
And then you can sell USB-C -> Jack converters (which break after a while - I’ve dismantled one for recycling for my Raspberry Pi, later I might make one epoxy potted for my phone), easy to lose wireless earbuds, etc.
If the fucking usb c audio was at least consistent, but no, the dongles are different and the phones are different, good luck trying to not blow up ypur phone by buying the wrong accessory (I blame the spec, not that I’ve read it)
Best if you get one of those USB DACs. Those even work on a PC with a converter.
Most people don’t care, don’t use it and it saves cost and thickness. I think they are smarter than you on this.
You are not their target audience, they know there’s not enough of you for it to make a difference.
It saves an amount of money so minuscule it literally makes no difference.
As for thickness, the iPhone 15 is 7.8 mm thick. You cannot in good faith believe that a 3.5 mm headphone jack can’t fit in it.
Wouldn’t they have to sacrifice like three* minutes of battery life or something though? Everything packed sooo tightly.
*or 10 or 30, somebody here probably can make a really good educated guess
Depending on the internal design of the phone, maybe.
But batteries are rectangular and they can’t put them EVERYWHERE. There are places (such as near the USB port) where you can’t really put battery no matter what because there have to be things that would interfere with the rectangular battery.
So it might have an effect, but not necessarily, depending on design, and it might be smaller than you’d think.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they have trackers on the iPhone to survey if ppl use the headphone jack 😂
Phones are so thin now that people are crying back the thicker ones…
I’ve literally never used the headphone jack on a phone in 10 years.
And I wonder how many would still want it back if they realized the phones then were bricked after getting submerged in water like they used to.Phones became waterproof before removing headphone jacks became a trend. You’re talking nonsense.
I do. I don’t use wireless headphones, and the dongle sucks. And hate having earbuds with a proprietary jack I can’t use elsewhere. Plus I used my iPhone as a synth/drum machine and needed to charge and play at the same time.
I’ve literally never used the headphone jack on a phone in 10 years
We understood that as soon as you said “literally”.
I’ve not used on*star, a fire extinguisher or a #2 pencil in a while either, but I bet they’re important. Beware false consensus.
Headphone jacks can be waterproofed, manufacturers are just lazy.
Most people don’t use them and never did, all the people downvoting are just salty because they’re not the target audience.
People are downvoting because the comment is flat-out wrong.
There is no right or wrong, it’s all subjective opinion.
Nope.
if they realized the phones then were bricked after getting submerged in water like they used to.
This is not subjective, it’s objectively false.
it objectively depends on the design of each individual phone
So we agree, you were wrong about it “all being subjective opinion.”
There are many phones with a headphone jack that have an IP68 rating which invalidates your whole point. If the headphone jack was so compromising then Apple would have needed to remove the charging port as well.
A sick and twisted part of me wants to see charging ports removed too. Every port! Make it IP69+ compliant. Maybe then the careless kids I know might keep a device alive for more than a year. Ultimately all that would do is barely solve one problem and introduce a whole lot of other problems.
many phones with a headphone jack that have an IP68 rating which invalidates your whole point
Typing on one right now.
About 10 years ago I used headphones daily, now I do so just frequently enough that it’s irritating to realize I need to purchase a dongle just to do so and go “well I guess I’m not listening to music/podcasts right now”
What I learned when working for a phone manufacturer is that the headphone jack usage varies by product segment. Cheaper phone users use the headphone jack far more frequently than premium phone users, so they’d keep it on the budget models but drop it on the higher end models. They also did similar with NFC and wireless charging which was interesting…
I don’t remember the last time I needed/missed 3.5mm
Ah, but for only $200 more you can get USB 3.2, which is (…checks notes…) seven year old technology 😂 😭
You mean like, with a cable? Eewwwww gross!
This but unironically. Can’t remember one time when I needed or even thought about using a cable in my iPhone tenure.
At least be accurate.
The “Pro” model iPhone has a lot of the features you are calling out the non-pro one for not having. Also no non-proprietary lossless audio streaming would be more accurate.
How is the first point not accurate? Iphone 16 is still a phone that’s gonna release in 2024.
Edit: Well I am wrong the sony phone is much costlier than the non pro version. I apologize.
