Summary
South Korea scrambled fighter jets as five Chinese and six Russian warplanes entered its air defense identification zone (KADIZ) on Friday, though they did not breach national airspace.
The incursion, part of joint Chinese-Russian military drills, occurred near the contested Dokdo islands and lasted over four hours.
South Korea condemned the unannounced flights, calling for measures to prevent escalation.
Similar incidents have increased since 2019, reflecting deepening China-Russia defense ties amid tensions with the U.S., South Korea, and Japan.
This follows other global airspace incidents involving Russian and Chinese forces.
You know maybe they should fly a super sonic jet right thru main st. china to see what happens.
Why? China also has an ADIZ which just like S.Korea’s and every ADIZ is based on bullshit not on international law. China will also “intercept” aka fly planes alongside and whine about Korean “aggression”.
ADIZ violations are not real. Actually trying to enforce one by shooting down planes would be an unprovoked act of war.
You mean like when Russia shot-down a jetliner which was off-course due to an avionic-error, years ago?
That started a war?
Firstly act of wars do not necessarily, in fact usually, do no lead to full blown war. Iran and Israel launched missiles at each other recently and they did not go to full blown war, does that mean that both of those acts were not in-fact act of wars but perfectly normal behavior?
I presume you are referring to KAL-007 (as when MH-17 happened the Russian proxies were already at war with Ukraine). It was the Soviet Union and it didn’t shoot it down for violating an imaginary ADIZ but after twice overflying Soviet territory. It’s disputed whether the plane did manage to exit Soviet airspace after the second overfly but it not relevant, the SU justification was always that it crossed in their territory not that it entered a unilaterally declared ADIZ.
All I’d read about it was in the human-factors-in-aviation-incidents domain:
An avionic was providing them with false-information, or it was mis-guiding their aircraft, whatever,
& they trusted the erroneous machine,
were ordered to get out from Russian/Soviet airspace,
kept trusting their machine, which indicated it wasn’t violating that airspace,
& got shot-down.
KAL looks like Korean, right?
I think that was the one.
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It was a combination of some infrastructure being offline (a VOR beacon) thus requiring a different procedure that was not followed correctly.
I don’t believe the pilots ever considered they had crossed into Soviet airspace, they were probably unaware of any deviation from their flight plan.
Nor was there any contact with Soviet forces. Were they ordered to leave the airspace would significantly change the share of blame making the pilots criminal and letting the Soviets off easily.
The intercept claims to have tried to have fired warning shots but admits they were not really visible in the night. I think that if he flown directly in front of them, they would notice if not visually the turbulence. But the decision seems to have been taken that it was not a civilian plane at a higher level and the identification part of the intercept a formality. Apparently they had actually missed intercepting some actual spy planes recently and they had to save face.
The saber rattling escalates and it’s only November
Stop trying to make war happen, we don’t want it.
China’s MO is to antagonize. They keep pushing knowing that sooner or later some individual they’re antagonizing is going to fuck up and cross the line, and they’ll be able to go all in on a “response” while blaming the other side for starting it.
I mean what is the line there, I would say soon as they hit the “national” line instead of the identification line Id blow them out of the sky and broadcast the location of their downed jets proving their infraction. China doesn’t want war, it’ll crush their economy with everyone else’s. Choosing to go to war would likely only end in their people overthrowing their government whether they could hide the fact they instigated it or not. A billion starving people wouldn’t be easy to keep restrained.
War is another major economy driver, so no - it would not “crush” their economy. If you think in the current Internet age the Chinese government can be organized against so easily that it’ll be overthrown by their own people, then you know so little about China that further discussion on this topic with you is a complete waste of time.
So you think war has made Russias economy better? That’s the most modern example, show me.
Edit; the truth is temporary government money creates prosperity, long term, kills the economy
Oversimplification:
it depends on what that gov’t money’s in, doesn’t it?
Education, properly-done, pays back many times over.
Corruption-removal does, too.
Trustworthy-infrastructure does, too.
Eradicating economic-waste, through effective regulation, does, too…
( ever heard of a sloppy-engineered, sloppy-configured, sloppy-built race-engine winning a NASCAR race?
No?
Only the tightest-regulated engines CAN compete at the top?
It’s the same with rightly regulated economies: efficient, quick, agile, low-waste, instant-accountability, low-corruption, low-lossage, etc.
IT’S THE SAME PRINCIPLE.
I cannot understand why sooo many people reject that tightly-regulated race-engines win, & for the same principle/reason … tightly-regulated-in-the-right-way economies win in the world-economy.
Ideology apparently prevents many from knowing the meaning, that is true, but good grief, it’s obvious-as-hell, once seen, isn’t it?
The tightest-economy has to be better than the sludge-corruption-and-inertia-economy, right?
whatever… )
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It’s insane to me that entire fucking countries governments act no different than literal children.
This is stereotypical school yard bully tactics. It’s so fucking stupid. People point to specific sad stories as reasons they lost faith in humanity… I point to every country on the planet acting like children any time they have a slight disagreement, or decide they want something someone else has.
K was right. A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals.
Sometimes I feel like we should go back for the guillotines and keep going until we get sane leaders that actually want what’s best for the citizens.
I suspect Trump will be using hangings or guillotines to remove some of the people he can’t stand, in the next-decade of his dictatorship…
I’ve no idea if he’ll have the balls to be so blatent right up-front,
but by the beginning of the 2030’s, KKK-style murder-worship’ll be happening, at-least, if not “burning at the stake” & outright human-sacrifice-worship for Trump.
People are ignoring the progression of personality-transformation he’s going through…
Absolute-psychopathy’s going to be ruling him, in less than a year, I bet…
then, as that progresses… then it gets worse…
My point is simply that both sides, ideological-prejudice & ruthless-uprightness can use guillotines to clean-up government, but “clean up” has opposite meanings, for opposite sides, you know?
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What is it good for?
War, huh, good God y’all, what is it good for? Increasing domestic manufacturing.
Best comment I’ve seen all week. I donated to Feed the Children in your name.
Way to put your money where your mouth is. Big dick move.
