I will never see Russia the same way for the rest of my life.
Really? Up until this moment you had a completely different view of Russia, but this is what opened your eyes?
Please, continue.
Barbarians are very offended by this title
This isn’t barbarism.
War is barbarism, and we Americans have voted for more warmongering than our next ten competing countries combined. Please keep pretending we’re the good guys while our country is going on eight years of aiding Saudi Arabia in starving Yemen.
Nobody here said that America is a saint. Stop your whataboutism and understand that two countries can both be bad.
US Americans*
Most counties in America don’t supply arms to the Saudis.
So you think words of an Ukrainian priest about Russian atrocities published by a British media source are invalid because… Americans vote for warmongering? Really?
Or do you believe barbarism is a zero-sum game and only one place in the whole wide world can engage in it at the same time?
And finally, you say “This isn’t barbarism. War is barbarism” - what exactly do you believe is happening in Ukraine right now?
Huh???
Russia bombs civvies
you: b-b-but what about
From the article:
a missile strike on a historic cathedral – one that was consecrated by the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, no less, killing one and hospitalizing fourteen
Sounds barbaric to me, as is all other terrorism
Russia bombs civvies
So do we and our allies. How familiar are you with US’ warmongering?
I am quite familiar. America is not innocent.
How does America being a war mongering monster have anything to do with Russia missile striking innocent civilians in a nation they promised to protect. A sovereign nation being ground into meat, but none of that is barbaric because the US and CIA loved the fuck out of proxy wars and coups?
Take your whataboutism somewhere else.
How does America being a war mongering monster have anything to do with Russia missile striking a nation they promised to protect.
It’s relevant in that we, as a nation that vote for the world’s foremost war machine every two years, shouldn’t be pretending to be a moral authority. (At least, not until we’re willing to hold ourselves accountable.)
Also, the block button is there if you don’t like what you see.
You started this thread by saying it’s not barbarism and then started talking about America’s sins.
That has nothing to do with the topic at hand, they both are true, but you are specifically using whataboutism to shift from Russian barbarism. Why? Why is terrorism and missile striking not barbaric? Why is that unimportant and that instead you feel we must look towards America?
Why are you so quick to shift the topic from current Russian aggression against an innocent nation (the topic of the post) to the past of the West?
Since you need the help:
Whataboutism is a type of logical fallacy that occurs when a person attempts to divert the focus away from the current issue by making a counter-accusation
Yes I know I can block you but I have no problem continuing this discussion. :)
Well said
Also, the block button is there if you don’t like what you see.
Done and done. Thanks for making lemmy a great space with intelligent discourse. 🙄
