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I understand very well that nobody wants to work anymore. The problem is, that despite all the technological advancements we still have to work. It’s outrageous!
It’s because people’s wants have shifted as technology progresses. If everyone was satisfied to live like a medieval peasant and all we needed to produce was clean food/water we probably could have automated most of the agricultural work and done away with the need for the majority of labor.
But people today now want on-demand deliveries, entertainment, healthcare, telecommunications, international travel, etc. and they need to pay for these things somehow, which means work. These shifting desires continuously push the boundaries of what we are capable of producing which ends up redirecting labor rather than eliminating it.
Edit: thanks for the down votes everyone. I’m not saying this is the way it should be or that people should live like peasants, just explaining the basis of consumer/labor theory from economics 101. People typically get more utility out of the things they buy using their wages than they would from not working at all. Right now that’s mostly because society would let you starve to death, but even if there was UBI or something like it, there would always be some people who would want to work in order to buy more things for themselves.
How dare the peasants want more than clean food and water, those greedy little fucks
Tangentially, if we could support everybody at the medieval peasant level without work, well, why don’t we? By which I mean, let’s institute a Universal Basic Income. What a familiar, yet so profoundly different, world it would be if you didn’t have to worry about having a safe (although Spartan) place to live, clean water to drink, basic, nutritious food to eat, and care if you get hurt or sick, no matter what. You’d still have to work for all the modern luxuries.
I guess the workers would have leverage against abusive, exploitative employers, if the cost of quitting a bad situation was simply not going to Paris this year, rather than life-or-death struggle, and we can’t have that!
I agree, the solution is not as simple as optimizing resource allocation. The problem is both social and economic in nature. The owners of production don’t just want money, they want power over others.
This is impossible under capitalism, scalping at necessities always happen.
no one has ever wanted to work, you’re supposed to pay them enough that they’re willing to work anyway
Treat then fair they’ll do you the same.
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“Why do you want to work here?”
Uh, I don’t, but this stupid thing called not dying requires me to have money and you’re offering to pay me money for doing a job you need doing.
If it’s all for myself and not for $, I think I can work…
The top one says one in five executives agree with the statement. The corollary to this is the cast majority of executives do not agree with that statement.
There’s a reason why it’s called “work” and “free time.” Most prefer free time to do whatever they actually want to do.
Truly shocking
This just in: humans do not enjoy any degree of enslavement.
Check back next year to see if we’ve managed to break the spirit of the human race.
This is true. It’s because we evolved over many hundreds of thousands of years as egalitarian hunter-gatherers and only relatively recently invented things like agriculture, big stratified societies, the bulk accumulation of wealth and property and work.
This reminds me of a recent meme pushing back against the “greed is human nature” narrative. Was something like:
“If you see a bear riding a bicycle at the circus, do you assume it is the nature of bears to ride bicycles?”
In other news, water has been confirmed to be wet.
Those people still working harder than executives ever will. Priviliged bs.
Executives shouldn’t be in any position of people listening to them. Put them in guillotine and ignore them once it’s fallen down
Some people want to work. They usually have no hobbies, family, or interests.
Or they have a job they love. I have heard legends of such things existing.
That’s me but they are underpaying me and are very nitpicky and pedantic in return and have no respect for the time I put into their stupid enterprise.
As a result the can soon do the shit themselves.
Their efforts of finding people with an iq over 100 have been mixed in the last few years. I am wishing them all the best.
I have a job I love 99% of the time. And I have hobbies. I worked really fucking hard to get to where I am. 80+ hour weeks for months at a time for years.
We also have other younger guys come in, and some of them want to learn, and they go right on up the chain. Then, we have people that want things handed to them, don’t wanna do anything, and wonder why they’re not getting promotions. I’ve even given them incentives, raises, and tried to coach them on what they should do to meet a goal we both set. Some just want to point fingers and blame everyone else, and never take responsibility for their actions
But we have more success stories than “failures.” It’s good company to work for.
This is also exactly my situation. I worked hard for my dream job and now it doesn’t feel like work but a fun game instead. I know that’s not the case for most, and I’m grateful for it.
I do hire people for my department, and want to give them the same opportunity to be happy. It’s really hard to find someone who is as excited as me for what I do. It’s not so much they don’t want to work, but they don’t want to work HERE.
I forgot about my comment and just tried out Sync, and saw the replies…
That’s great, though. This wasn’t my dream job, but I kind of fell into what I wanted to do along the way. It turns out that it’s very fulfilling and pays well. And I can’t think of anyone that is above me that I don’t like. No one has given me a reason to hate them, and I think they feel the same about me. The people that work for me like me, even though they’re constantly giving me shit
I do like how this site (pretty much Reddit) acts like every employer is out to fuck them, and everyone is as miserable as they are.
Hoping to be a software dev or some other similar job someday. I’ve been writing code in some capacity ever since I could write (thanks to an uncle who got me into it and paid for all kinds of learning opportunities), some kind of job revolving around it has been my dream for most of my life. I’m 20 now, tried getting into college this year but life is good at turning your plans upside down. I’ve still got plenty of time to chase that dream job at least, I just gotta get the knowledge and the degree
Perhaps there’s a company out there where there’s an exception, but an 80+ hr work week means this company desperately needed to hire, or if you were salaried and especially not earning overtime, it was exploiting your value to get paid without sharing that compensation with you.
If it was under the promise of future compensation, then it’s a case of I’d gladly pay you tomorrow for a hamburger today–still scummy.
Internal promotion is pretty rare these days in my field. Usually, you have to jump ship and you learn quickly not to get too attached to a company.
It’s because you can only put a few people on these jobs at a time, and you want damn good workers that do quality work. You don’t want multiple crews messing with some things because it can cause confusion or things to be missed
And it wasn’t promised to me, but I did make it up the ladder some, and still have places I can go up to. It’s actually a really good job, pays damn good, but requires a person to put in some work.
But, it’s nothing to go work a month like this, pay all your bills and have $15k extra after it’s all done
I see you in the OP’s pic
80 hours weeks for months good company
/s…?
Yea, it’s a good job. And it’s nothing about hiring more people. Some jobs can only be done by a few people, so we just go around the clock until it’s fixed and bring home big paychecks
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Could have been a startup
Definitely something white-collar in any case. Nobody is working 80 hours a week for months on end as a roofer or brick-layer. Even fishermen only work 16 hour days for 2 week stretches which are physically punishing enough. The average human body just isn’t up to months of 80 hours/week of manual labor.
It’s not white collar. It’s powerplants. I do work in management, but the deal when I moved up was that I still got to work in the field 50% of the time. I get burned out sitting in my office. And I definitely did not start in management, but at the very bottom
And as far as the hours… there’s only so many people you can put on some jobs, so hiring others will just have them standing around
Also, I’d say 90% of the people that work with me love their jobs. I’ve seen quite a few of them turn down better pay because we’re pretty chill and honest about work and expectations. We keep good people around as long as possible.
Programmer here. The hobby became my job and it’s pretty great when there isn’t a layer of corporate bullshit on top and I can just be creative to satisfy that itch.
Works out most of the time but I’m also able to contribute to open source when in at work so that helps.
I love my work. What I do for work is also one of my bigger hobbies. Software engineering is fun!
My boss has been looking for new technicians since I joined but has had no luck. His excuse is the classic “Nobody wants to work”, but then I saw what he’s paying for entry level for the positions. It’s so low you’re better off working at McDonalds or slinging Amazon packages bad.
Nobody wants to work… for peanuts.
I feel like adventure time did a better job explaining systemic oppression as a kids show than most people I’ve heard try.
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There are always underlying assumptions made by people who support industrial-age work for every human being. Things like… 9 to 5 work schedule (or longer) being compatible with their genetics, year round - winter or summer. Paperwork appreciation, having to fill out job applications often with high amounts of redundancy in the questions and formats. Red tape for getting paychecks and accounting. Dress codes and even uniform requirements. Businessmen preferences for rectangle and high-rise buildings that few other animals from Earth seem to construct or use to build loyal followers.
With generic randomness alone, I suspect that 20%+ of a population on Pale Blue Dot never fit in with what their local society considers perfectly “normal” conformity and biological needs in industrialized world.
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When AI replaces us, we finally don’t have to! :D
I want to Do. I like Doing. I like getting good at Doing.
I don’t like work. I only work so I can Do what I want.
Amen
My work ethic is a dlc the boss needs to pay extra for it
It’s me, I don’t want to work anymore.
I would love to just be a stay at home dad and keep the house clean, do chores, and cook meals for my family. Is that too much to ask?
I love cooking and baking and would do the same.
If money were somehow not an object, i would also be free to work on my friends and families houses too, or even say a library or school in the community with the skills i have, contributing to the community that way. If i were doing it for people or something i cared about, it wouldnt feel like work.
Absolutely. I would do more volunteer work in a heartbeat. The moments I felt like I was actually helping contribute to our society was cooking breakfast for our unhoused community. I mean in a better society we wouldn’t have food insecurity so that volunteering would go elsewhere but can’t we just use our free time to just help people? Nope, we gotta stress about working and trying to not get fired.
