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  • AidsKitty@lemmy.world
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    I dont think Elon Musk is a nazi. I’ve never seen any evidence that he is a nazi nor have I ever seen any presented. I think he is an asshole that harasses people for his personal satisfaction. He is so rich that no matter what happens he, his children, and all their children will all enjoy the highest quality lives available. There may also be some chemical addiction mixed in there as well as some mental illness.

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      If a four person table has three Nazis sitting at it, and a fourth person sits down with them, there are four Nazis at the table.

      Accordingly, if a public figure makes a Nazi salute (several times) in a public live recording, they are a Nazi.

      If it walks like a duck, etc.

      They may not claim Nazism, but fascism is fascism whatever flag you wave. The individual motivators behind it are not relevant.

      Both my grandfathers are rolling over in their graves as I watch fascism goose step into America.

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    The US didn’t even get the excuse of being forced to pay obscenely high war reparations to justify their fascism. Instead, it’s dissatisfaction with inflation which, in turn, is the predictable combination of the exponential depletion of scarce resources (real estate, water) and the consolidation of property into the hands of an ultra wealthy minority. If one must frame the emergence of fascism in a “war” context, then the cause is plutocrat beligerantes strategically fighting a social class war while most of everyone else think it’s a culture war.

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    Ngl, I was sceptical since still images are not a good representation of what’s really going on when people are moving around, but then I checked out the video. Good lord, he even did it twice.

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    Next he’ll be wearing a swastika on his arm and claiming “oh this is just a whirling log, a symbol of prosperity and peace”. And also “oh this is just a very black uniform that Hugo Boss made for me”

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      Swastik is a sacred symbol for Hindus and Buddhists. Next you will call us -ists and -phobes.

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        Next he’ll be wearing a swastika on his arm and claiming “oh this is just a whirling log, a symbol of prosperity and peace”. And also “oh this is just a very black uniform that Hugo Boss made for me”

        It’s used by many cultures, e.g. my whirling log example. And the point is Elon would wear it as an Nazi emblem and then riff how it was a symbol of peace. Just like pretending his fascist salute was a Roman salute.

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    Musk went from being the Henry Ford of our times to the Henry Ford of our times.

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    And it’s day fucking 1! We still have (at least) four more YEARS of this!

    I’m reminded of Trump’s first term, when we all thought it couldn’t possibly get any worse, and yet it always did keep getting worse.

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        You think the social media propaganda machines all grinding into gear to pump out pro-trump propaganda isn’t going to help his popularity?

        I envy your positivity

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      I can’t wait until Canada joins the union and we go to war with Greenland as the new America.

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    Remember when everyone hated on regular Russian citizens for not forming a rebellious revolution against Putin and assassinating him in his sleep? For not shooting every Russian oligarch and everyone who rubber stamped the invasion of Ukraine? Remember when people called them cowards and “as good as nazis” for being complacent and not getting up and doing something about it?

    Where are you keyboard warriors now that the USA needs you?

    Just sayin’

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        If we’re being specific I’d say those people cheered on Iraq and Afghanistan as well. Bipartisan war hawks.

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        but only in the case of Russia’s conflict with the NATO Kyiv regime, all these people came out on the side of outright evil. As if the entire “progressive world” opposed the bad Russian communists on the side of the great Third Reich, which the Russian communists unjustifiably attacked

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      Shouldn’t be just saying, morons need harsh realities shoved in their face.

      Being the best armed country in the world, the US is even worse for not following through

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      With how .ml is fanboying Trump for saving TikTok right now, you lot would bitch if somebody assassinated the president anyway.

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          I mean, Stalin was fine working with the Nazis at first, so is it really surprising that people who share his idealistic views would be willing to make peace? Dictators band together, and authoritarianism will naturally support authoritarianism.

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            Here we go again with the right-wing revisionist propaganda.

            The USSR had proposed, prior to 1939 and throughout all of the 30s, mutual-defense agreements with Poland, France and England, which all of them rejected. The USSR offered to enter a war against nazism as a response to the Munich agreements and the annexation of Czechoslovakia by nazis and Poland, but France and England (and obviously Poland) didn’t want that. The Soviets went as far as to offer sending ONE MILLION soldiers to France, together with artillery, aviation and tanks, on exchange for a mutual-defense agreement with France and England. As was later discovered through released embassy wires, the French and English ambassadors were instructed not to make a peace agreement with the Soviets under any condition, but to pretend to be interested and to prolong the negotiations for as long as possible… presumably expecting Nazis to invade the Soviet Union, given that communists were their self-declared enemy and they held racial motivations to eliminate “the Slavic Untermenschen”. It was convenient, letting the Nazis deal with the communists (since England and France had failed to eliminate Bolshevism during their invasion of Russia in the Russian Civil War), two birds with one stone.

            The Soviet Union, which had only begun industrializing in 1928 with its first 5-year plan, compared to the century-long history of industrialization of Germany, simply didn’t have the material means to single-handedly fight nazism in 1939. This is further proven by the fact that, after the invasion of the USSR by the Nazis, 27 million Soviet lives were lost in the struggle against fascism. They DESPERATELY needed every single year they could buy, and they DESPERATELY needed to avoid facing the Nazis in a one-on-one struggle. Without the lend-lease program, and without the western front, who’s to say if the Soviet Union would have simply succumbed to Nazi Germany, and the horrifying additional extent of genocide that Nazis would have been able to perpetrate.

            In case you don’t believe me personally, I’ll leave you another comment below this one with quotes of western politicians and diplomats of the period, showing the revisionism that the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact has been subjected to.

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                Go on, answer to this comment where it’s wrong, and answer to the comment below it with the historical DIRECT SOURCES FROM WESTERN COUNTRIES QUOTED

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                  I’m not interested in helping you justify siding with the Nazis. I reject that any alliance with Nazis is justified, no matter the circumstances. Russia should have chosen to die, because that is the only fate anyone who sides with Nazis deserves. And anyone who tries to justify them siding with Nazis likewise deserves the wall. I don’t make exceptions, and I will never consider any in the slightest, no matter how well collaborators try to paint it in a good light.

                  End of discussion.

          • volodya_ilich@lemm.ee
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            “ It is clear that Stalin had two courses open to him. He could seek a general coalition against Hitler, or he could come to an understanding with Hitler at the expense of the Western democracies. Stalin’s policy was guided by a profound conviction of the ultimate hostility of Nazi Germany, as well as by the hope that if the capitalist Powers became locked in mortal conflict, the Soviet Union might remain aloof, gaining strength while they tore one another to pieces. Certainly the principle of self-preservation lay at the heart of Moscow’s calculations ” Winston Churchill, The Gathering Storm, Chapter 20, The Soviet Enigma pub 1948.

            “ In those days the Soviet Government had grave reason to fear that they would be left one-on-one to face the Nazi fury. Stalin took measures which no free democracy could regard otherwise than with distaste. Yet I never doubted myself that his cardinal aim had been to hold the German armies off from Russia for as long as might be ” (Paraphrased from Churchill’s December 1944 remarks in the House of Commons.)

            “ It would be unwise to assume Stalin approves of Hitler’s aggression. Probably the Soviet Government has merely sought a delaying tactic, not wanting to be the next victim. They will have a rude awakening, but they think, at least for now, they can keep the wolf from the door ” Franklin D. Roosevelt (President of the United States, 1933–1945), from Harold L. Ickes’s diary entries, early September 1939. Ickes’s diaries are published as The Secret Diary of Harold Ickes.

            “ One must suppose that the Soviet Government, seeing no immediate prospect of real support from outside, decided to make its own arrangements for self‑defence, however unpalatable such an agreement might appear. We in this House cannot be astonished that a government acting solely on grounds of power politics should take that course ” Neville Chamberlain, House of Commons Statement, August 24, 1939 (one day after pact’s signing)

            “ We could not doubt that the Soviet Government, disillusioned by the hesitant negotiations with Britain and France, feared a lone struggle against Hitler’s mighty war machine. It seemed they had concluded, in the interests of survival, that an accord with Germany would at least postpone their day of reckoning ” Cordell Hull (U.S. Secretary of State), The Memoirs of Cordell Hull (Published 1948)

            “ *It must be said that the Soviet Government, having little confidence in swift military aid from the Western Powers, chose to protect its borders, however odious such a pact might seem. One perceives in their choice the determination to secure time—time they evidently believed we were not prepared to give them.” Édouard Daladier (French Prime Minister), Address to the French Chamber of Deputies, Late August 1939

            “ It seemed to me that the Soviet leaders believed conflict with Nazi Germany was inescapable. But, lacking clear assurances of military partnership from England and France, they resolved that a ‘breathing spell’ was urgently needed. In that sense, the pact with Germany was a temporary expedient to keep the wolf from the door ” Joseph E. Davies (U.S. Ambassador to the USSR, 1937–1938), Mission to Moscow (1941)

            “ British officials, for all their outrage, concede that Stalin, with no firm pledge of Allied assistance, and regarding Poland as a foregone victim, decided that if the Red Army must eventually face Hitler, it should not be without first gaining some strategic space—and time ” Joseph P. Kennedy (U.S. Ambassador to the UK, 1938–1940),Private Correspondence, September 1939

            Hopefully, you won’t accuse such sources, i.e. western diplomats and politicians who actually experienced WW2, of being tankies

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            Here we go again with the right-wing revisionist propaganda.

            The USSR had proposed, prior to 1939 and throughout all of the 30s, mutual-defense agreements with Poland, France and England, which all of them rejected. The USSR offered to enter a war against nazism as a response to the Munich agreements and the annexation of Czechoslovakia by nazis and Poland, but France and England (and obviously Poland) didn’t want that. The Soviets went as far as to offer sending ONE MILLION soldiers to France, together with artillery, aviation and tanks, on exchange for a mutual-defense agreement with France and England. As was later discovered through released embassy wires, the French and English ambassadors were instructed not to make a peace agreement with the Soviets under any condition, but to pretend to be interested and to prolong the negotiations for as long as possible… presumably expecting Nazis to invade the Soviet Union, given that communists were their self-declared enemy and they held racial motivations to eliminate “the Slavic Untermenschen”. It was convenient, letting the Nazis deal with the communists (since England and France had failed to eliminate Bolshevism during their invasion of Russia in the Russian Civil War), two birds with one stone.

            The Soviet Union, which had only begun industrializing in 1928 with its first 5-year plan, compared to the century-long history of industrialization of Germany, simply didn’t have the material means to single-handedly fight nazism in 1939. This is further proven by the fact that, after the invasion of the USSR by the Nazis, 27 million Soviet lives were lost in the struggle against fascism. They DESPERATELY needed every single year they could buy, and they DESPERATELY needed to avoid facing the Nazis in a one-on-one struggle. Without the lend-lease program, and without the western front, who’s to say if the Soviet Union would have simply succumbed to Nazi Germany, and the horrifying additional extent of genocide that Nazis would have been able to perpetrate.

            In case you don’t believe me personally, I’ll leave you another comment below this one with quotes of western politicians and diplomats of the period, showing the revisionism that the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact has been subjected to.

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              “ It is clear that Stalin had two courses open to him. He could seek a general coalition against Hitler, or he could come to an understanding with Hitler at the expense of the Western democracies. Stalin’s policy was guided by a profound conviction of the ultimate hostility of Nazi Germany, as well as by the hope that if the capitalist Powers became locked in mortal conflict, the Soviet Union might remain aloof, gaining strength while they tore one another to pieces. Certainly the principle of self-preservation lay at the heart of Moscow’s calculations ” Winston Churchill, The Gathering Storm, Chapter 20, The Soviet Enigma pub 1948.

              “ In those days the Soviet Government had grave reason to fear that they would be left one-on-one to face the Nazi fury. Stalin took measures which no free democracy could regard otherwise than with distaste. Yet I never doubted myself that his cardinal aim had been to hold the German armies off from Russia for as long as might be ” (Paraphrased from Churchill’s December 1944 remarks in the House of Commons.)

              “ It would be unwise to assume Stalin approves of Hitler’s aggression. Probably the Soviet Government has merely sought a delaying tactic, not wanting to be the next victim. They will have a rude awakening, but they think, at least for now, they can keep the wolf from the door ” Franklin D. Roosevelt (President of the United States, 1933–1945), from Harold L. Ickes’s diary entries, early September 1939. Ickes’s diaries are published as The Secret Diary of Harold Ickes.

              “ One must suppose that the Soviet Government, seeing no immediate prospect of real support from outside, decided to make its own arrangements for self‑defence, however unpalatable such an agreement might appear. We in this House cannot be astonished that a government acting solely on grounds of power politics should take that course ” Neville Chamberlain, House of Commons Statement, August 24, 1939 (one day after pact’s signing)

              “ We could not doubt that the Soviet Government, disillusioned by the hesitant negotiations with Britain and France, feared a lone struggle against Hitler’s mighty war machine. It seemed they had concluded, in the interests of survival, that an accord with Germany would at least postpone their day of reckoning ” Cordell Hull (U.S. Secretary of State), The Memoirs of Cordell Hull (Published 1948)

              “ *It must be said that the Soviet Government, having little confidence in swift military aid from the Western Powers, chose to protect its borders, however odious such a pact might seem. One perceives in their choice the determination to secure time—time they evidently believed we were not prepared to give them.” Édouard Daladier (French Prime Minister), Address to the French Chamber of Deputies, Late August 1939

              “ It seemed to me that the Soviet leaders believed conflict with Nazi Germany was inescapable. But, lacking clear assurances of military partnership from England and France, they resolved that a ‘breathing spell’ was urgently needed. In that sense, the pact with Germany was a temporary expedient to keep the wolf from the door ” Joseph E. Davies (U.S. Ambassador to the USSR, 1937–1938), Mission to Moscow (1941)

              “ British officials, for all their outrage, concede that Stalin, with no firm pledge of Allied assistance, and regarding Poland as a foregone victim, decided that if the Red Army must eventually face Hitler, it should not be without first gaining some strategic space—and time ” Joseph P. Kennedy (U.S. Ambassador to the UK, 1938–1940),Private Correspondence, September 1939

              Hopefully, you won’t accuse such sources, i.e. western diplomats and politicians who actually experienced WW2, of being tankies

            • volodya_ilich@lemm.ee
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              I replied to the comment above with an answer on the revisionism of Molotov-Ribbentrop pact

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            They’re left wing facists who glaze the soviet union and hate America

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              hate America

              We are literally seeing the Nazi salute in the inauguration of the US president, what’s not to hate??

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              Yeah they’re full of ‘critical support’ for anything that obstructs US foreign policy. Regardless of how many workers may die in the process. Amazing that they can call themselves communists and ignore revolutionary defeatism.

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              If somebody says “Trump is shitty”, and tankies throw a fit about that and ban them, I don’t need any more nuance than that. It isn’t the first time commies have worked hand-in-hand with nazis, and it won’t be the last.

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                IDK, I know a lot of neo-nazis who’d say ‘fuck trump’ in response to him being willing to work with Israel

                Any time I see a lib complaining about being banned on .ml it’s almost always because they earned it by saying something xenophobic or reactionary

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                  The person banned was a communist. He was banned for “defending” Biden by saying he was not worse than Trump.

                  But hey, I don’t really care what insane nonsense tankies spew on their own instances, if they wanna hug a nazi then that’s on them.

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        Not an ml, but I think it’s too simplistic to see things this black and white.

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          These select individuals just want to shoe horn in their ridiculous feud with .ml into every single comment they make.

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        Trump brought tiktok back but with more censorship. “Free Palestine” is now banned on TikTok. Last I checked .ml was still playing with RedNote.

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      Living in a country that did something against putins predacessor and are now enjoying democracy as a result. This could be you.