I have setup so many instances over the months on different servers and the web ui always takes 40s to a minute to load per page I have always used redis for caching and the best methods even the aio docker image(s) are really slow.
kind of just been living with it for the past month or so but its really annoying when others are saying theirs takes seconds to load.
edit: totally didn’t forget to include a body
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…this is a new low for low-effort posts.
Wow.
haha sorry still getting the hang of lemmy and accidently submitted it with no body
Then, sorry - i thought this was a legitimate shtpost.
Have you tried integrating a caching mechanism? Or tried assigning more memory to PHP?
I’m not running nextcloud myself, but have you checked that the database settings are scaled to match your server’s resources?
yeah i use mariadb with it and messed with the config but still nothing more than maybe 1 second same with enabling caching with redis and editing the php config i did get it down from 3-4 minutes though so thats something
What CPU / RAM / DISK resources do you have allocated?
4 cores 8GB ram and 500GB i looked at a resource monitor and the cpu barely hits 10% when im trying to load ages and the server is running other things
Next thing that comes to mind is web server settings / threads / workers. But I’m afraid I can’t help you more since I’m not familiar with Nextcloud.
yeah i have increased them to the recommended settings and tried adding some but still cant get it to constantly load under a minute. i would put it down to the server being 100s of miles from me but even my server running in house is slow
Uhm, you will need to tell us more about your hardware or setup.
I wouldn’t describe my Nextcloud as especially fast or optimized, but it is only around 20s from the login screen to being able to use it. And once you are logged in it is quite fast.
Take a look into the logs, anything suspicious there? Maybe some timeouts, read/write errors, unresponsive tasks?
What does your webserver say about resource usage for nextcloud? If you load it up, does it stay super low like not even giving it enough resource?
cpu is low 0.2% but ram seems fine using 2GB and looking at the logs in the web ui the only one i have really gotten is [PHP] Error: Doctrine\DBAL\Exception\DriverException: An exception occurred while executing a query: SQLSTATE[HY000]: General error: 7 FATAL: terminating connection due to administrator command server closed the connection unexpectedly This probably means the server terminated abnormally before or while processing the request. at /var/www/html/3rdparty/doctrine/dbal/src/Driver/API/PostgreSQL/ExceptionConverter.php#91
PUT /ocs/v2.php/apps/user_status/api/v1/heartbeat?format=json from 192.168.200.200 by admin at 2023-06-24T15:08:05+00:00
Because it’s ✨ modern ✨ and ✨ enterprise ✨
Most new software not explicitly made for and by hobbyists will assume “just throw more hardware at it” to be a valid solution to inefficiency, and unfortunately Nextcloud (especially with any of the office extensions) seems to be heading that way.
You know their tuning page? I did several of their suggestions and they helped me. https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/installation/server_tuning.html
What kind of hardware are you using?
Nextcloud does need some tuning by default, specifically the php, nginx/apache, and database settings so that they all make use of more resources and some stuff like cache headers or opcode caching.
If you haven’t used it yet, I think the AIO installation of nextcloud includes a lot of config optimization by default. I don’t have experience with it, but probably worth a try?
I’m pretty sure the database tuning is what made the biggest difference to me.
Cannot confirm this. For me nextcloud us very snappy and fast.
ah lucky i did sort of solve my problem using the nextcloud docker image for a community and it’s fast that is stripped down on all the apps though so probably going to give the docker container a go on my server
If you only want online file storage and sync, you may want to try Seafile. It’s a lot faster and has been rock solid since 10+ years for me. Not viable if you need some of the many nextcloud exentions though
I have the same issues with Nextcloud as OP, regardless of the hardware it’s running on or what kind of optimizations I’ve done, but I’ve always hesitated to use Seafile because it doesn’t keep the files in tact. They are chunked/encrypted or something else, which I’m sure helps performance, but I really value having my files just be regular files with Nextcloud, so if I ever want to take them out of Nextcloud without the help of the application, I can just do that.
I wish Seafile had an option to maintain the file integrity. If it did, I would definitely give it another try.
Yeah the files are stored in blocks. It helps deduplicating and for syncing partial files/change. If your concern is just with being able to copy the files away, there is seaf-fuse, which lets you mount it as a local filesystem: https://manual.seafile.com/extension/fuse/
ah i hear about Seafile a lot yeah its a shame i use the nextcloud things and im use to their ui its handy for quickly sharing things
I’m using their apache docker and i don’t see many speed issues.
I see issues instead with WordPress, my blog with 15000 pages but just 1000 visits a month takes 30 seconds to load a single page… Could not manage to improve it, even with extensive caching, percona, redis, and so on…
One day I need to find the strength to migrate to Hugo (the automated tool makes a mess)
oh yeah i have a small community and setup an archive with the apache nextcloud docker container but then forgot about it then yesterday i was trying to install an alternative and noticed it so took a look at the nc container and it was so fast its crazy how the vm i made with 1vcpu and 1GB ram outperformed a vm running on way more powerful server with nextcloud.
oof yes wordpress its so slow I had tried everything and it would be so cool too, I see these wordpress site builders and websites running wordpress god knows how they are so fast but a +1 for hugo i use it for my blog
which only has 2 blog posts with about 1 view that isn’t a bot/scraper
I’ve experienced the same, even the hosted/paid instances Nextcloud recommends are very slow.
I think it’s just not built to be fast.
While 40-60s is definately not normal, Next loud is heavily bloated with a bunch of plugins and features many people don’t need. Go through the plugins page and see what you really need.
ha this is exactly what i did on the instance i setup for a community yesterday and its really fast so im probably going to clone that setup on my server just with the apps and thigns i use
