Kuwait announced this week that it will print thousands of copies of the Quran in Swedish to be distributed in the Nordic country, calling it an effort to educate the Swedish people on Islamic “values of coexistence.” The plan was announced after the desecration of a Quran during a one-man anti-Islam protest that Swedish police authorized in Stockholm last month.
Kuwaiti Prime Minister Sheikh Ahmad Nawaf Al-Ahmad Al-Sabah said the Public Authority for Public Care would print and distribute 100,000 translated copies of the Muslim holy book in Sweden, to “affirm the tolerance of the Islamic religion and promote values of coexistence among all human beings,” according to the country’s state news agency Kuna.
On June 28, Salwan Momika, a 37-year-old Iraqi Christian who had sought asylum in Sweden on religious grounds, stood outside the Stockholm Central Mosque and threw a copy of the Quran into the air and burned some of its pages.
The stunt came on the first day of Eid-al-Adha, one of the most important festivals on the Islamic calendar, and it triggered anger among Muslims worldwide. Protests were held in many Muslim nations, including Iraq, where hundreds of angry demonstrators stormed the Swedish embassy compound.
CBS News sought comment from the Swedish Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the Kuwaiti government’s announcement, but did not receive a reply by the time of publication.
The U.S. State Department condemned the desecration of the Quran in Stockholm, but said Swedish authorities were right to authorize the small protest where it occurred.
“We believe that demonstration creates an environment of fear that will impact the ability of Muslims and members of other religious minority groups from freely exercising their right to freedom of religion or belief in Sweden,” State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said. “We also believe that issuing the permit for this demonstration supports freedom of expression and is not an endorsement of the demonstration’s actions.”
The United Nations Human Rights Council adopted a resolution Wednesday condemning the burning of the Quran as an act of religious hatred. The U.S. and a handful of European nations voted against the resolution, which was introduced by Pakistan on behalf of the 57-nation Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), arguing that it contradicts their perspectives on human rights and freedom of expression.
This is 1000% better as a response than I’ve seen recently from other Islamic countries and I’m a little sad it’s getting dunked on so much. Others are calling for speech to be silenced in response to Quran burnings and they’re literally just saying “hey, could you just read it instead?” It’s a low bar compared to Western Values ™️ I guess but this kind of response should be what we strive for even if you don’t agree with them on anything else.
I would add that nonetheless, every sovereign country can and should stand up for itself. Also this is not just a couple Qurans burned, its racism more in general on the rise here in europe.
Islam isn’t a race.
i’m glad you know that. Apparently poland isn’t on the same page. I doubt he’s the only one thinking like that https://youtu.be/asGHu2NzvbI Sorry i don’t have any more sources, but if you’ve followed european immigration policies in the slightest, you might have noticed that most middle eastern are rejected at the borders. Many times the skin color is no different from southern europeans, yet they die by the hundreds in the mediterranean.
Islam isn’t a race.
Hating Islam isn’t racism.
Hating all religion isn’t racism, and is morally consistent.
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That’s no justification for showing any kind of support for a violent, regressive religion that idolizes a pedo prophet.
I’m assuming you’re either western or liberal, both?
Aside from the fact that the prophet arguably isn’t worshipped because of his child abuse and it happend centuries ago (maybe you found instances of more recent child abuse), you don’t need to look far away from home to find violent and regressive people that act in the name of religion. I’m talking about misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, racism etc. I get it, maybe its too difficult and these problems can’t be solved. Still, its unnecessary to put your self on the high ground of moral righteusness. Muslim people have problems to solve, I’m sure you do too.
I’m assuming you’re either western or liberal, both?
Seems like having the common sense to not support violence is considered liberal? And no, I’m in a muslim-majority country and tired of the hate some of my family supports because their religion tells them to.
(maybe you found instances of more recent child abuse)
I see you agree many people use muhammad and the quran and hadith as a way to to justify child abuse, which they do.
you don’t need to look far away from home to find violent and regressive people that act in the name of religion
I suppose you wrote this assuming I’m western? But yes, alot of people I know do discriminate against people simply because islam tells them to. In my experience, islam tends to bring out the worse in people, even more so than most other major religions.
Muslim people have problems to solve
Odd way of putting it. The vast majority of ‘religious’ people have the common sense to not follow their violent religions to a T. The problem isn’t the people, it’s the religion. I’d hate if people disliked me when I was muslim just because I was one.
Barbaric religions like islam are fundamentally incompatible with modern society.
So one person kicking up a big fuss by burning a book is rising racism in the entirety of Europe
Racism how, if I may ask? The Quran wasn’t burned by a Swede who hates Muslims/Middle Eastern people, it was done by an Iraqi national.
Hopefully we reach the point where we simply don’t gaf about anyone’s religion or lack thereof. Being offended is on you.
On that note, why respect people’s pronouns? Being offended is on them init
We like to pick and choose what we want to get outraged by.
I think this would be more akin to forcing a Muslim to eat some pig meat than make them look into the mirror and say “I am a Christian” a few times. Does go a bit further than just ignoring someone burning a book, don’t you think?
I belive it’s more akin to offering pig meat by accident, the Muslim can always politely refuse. It’s nothing like forcing since it’s easier to not pay attention to an abusive person.
People you address with a wrong pronoun also just politely correct you. You are forcing them when you continue to use the wrong pronouns.
Lots of really weird, dogmatic chest thumping in this section… can we not go down this road?
Respect and mutual community is the way we all benefit. Learn from others or leave them well alone.
I know this might shock some Americans but I’m not keen on the burgeoning possibility of seeing a christiofascist theocracy spill out onto society either. My friends are already suffering organised attacks by yeehawdists for being queer - which is the boogie man y’all (royal y’all) fear from Islam, right? Being attacked for existing?
Stop burning books and stop casting stones. We’re better than this. We can talk in better dialogue than this.
Go ahead and do it. I DO want more people to read that book. lol Let people find out for themselves.
Yeah, more people should know about their great prophet, who also happens to be a pedophile.
I bet a million shmeckles that u heard this from someone else and you didn’t actually bother to check for wether its true or not.
The source is Sahíh al-Buchárí, one of the canonical books (or whatever, not sure how it’s called in English) in islam. They “married” when she was 6 and the pedophile prophet himself raped her when she was 9. But hey, at least she was 18 when she finally became a widow!
And thus you owe me a million shmeckles.
I mean that’s trivial to Google.
Yes, that’s generally one of the ways I learn new stuff, by Googling it.
The point is you heard it from someone else and didn’t bother to verify until the other guy called you out for it.
And you know that exactly how? Don’t project your lack of sources for your claims on others, please.
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My wife hates it but I LOVE antagonizing the religious snakes who try to tell you about their bullshit in public. I grew up in the Bible Belt and I fucking HATE that fake “oh I’m just trying to save your immortal soul because you’re a sinner” bullshit. Fuck these people, they’re predators preying on people at their weakest and they don’t pay taxes while pissing their influence all over our politics.
Fuck. These. People. All of them.
I don’t stop walking but I always interrupt them or put words in their mouths or ask why their all powerful god won’t do anything about pedos when they’re screeching about that etc. Especially the ones that try to hand you things, love them! They’re always carrying a bunch of papers that you can knock out of their hands.
I hope these fuckwits meet lots of friendly people like me as they go to SOMEONE ELSE’S FUCKING COUNTRY to force their mythology on 😁
You sound like a well adjusted and kind member of society.
Someone sounds upset that their superstition isn’t treated as fact.
I’m very very VERY much an atheist. I’m just not insufferable smug about it.
I grew up in the bible Belt. I have no patience for their manipulation. They are predators preying on the weak and gullible and deserve the same disrespect that they give.
Now if you want to talk about smug, there’s dropping into a conversation and contributing nothing but insults and projecting that others are being smug…
If you don’t want to be insulted to brag about how you purposefully act like an asshole to people.
You get left alone if you leave me alone this is difficult for a lot of them not my fault 🤷🏻♂️
Fuck these people, they’re predators preying on people at their weakest and they don’t pay taxes while pissing their influence all over our politics.
So what you’re saying is that you expect the Kuwaiti government to pay taxes in Sweden?
It must be hard being religious in a world of science. You have to rely on distractions and half truths and obvious lies because your world view is so completely fucked that you are constantly at war with reality itself.
Too bad religion doesn’t coexist well with intelligence or education. It’s hard to be dumb, ignorant AND at battle with reality in every conversation with people outside your religion.
All that is to say, your post is a weak attempt to misdirect the conversation away from a government pushing their own refugees in a foreign country to force their religious bullshit on their host country.
Check out how many nobel prize winners are religious. There’s no fight between religion and science; some extremist sects do that to control their followers.
Religious Nobel winners becoming great minds in spite of their superstitions have nothing to do with thousands of years of scientific suppression by religions all over the world.
People don’t like their worldview challenged, but when your worldview is absurd and without evidence you’ll constantly be dealing with these challenges as people learn and ask more questions. If itt turns out the sun isn’t actually pulled across the sky by a god on a chariot every day, then what else is just nature and not a god? It disrupts your society, and has to be put down and people need to be distracted away from questioning the gods (and the people in high positions).
Religion has always been at war with curiosity, reason and (new) evidence. It’s the nature of being based on a fallacy, which is the assertion that god(s) exist without proof.
Throughout history the biggest centers of learning were funded by or associated with religious organizations, from madrases to Oxford university. Things like the islamic golden age and the renaissance are paired with the religion of the age and area.
Secularism/atheists are also contributors to scientific discovery but to ignore past and present events is just blind ignorance borne of entrenching yourself in anti-religious propaganda
“Anti-religious” propaganda? What does that even mean to you? You think you can change someone’s mind with logic when they’re not using logic to think through it in the first place? You think there’s a fucking conspiracy to prove that there aren’t any gods because everyone is so concerned with your beliefs?
No one cares what your beliefs are just keep them to yourself and don’t harass people on the streets with them or vote for government to do it for you in other ways. Fuck.
And yes, religions allowed the study of things that didn’t question their vague and almighty god(s). Why wouldn’t they? Especially when the credit for life changing discovery goes to their god(s)?
Reading comprehension is hard.
I now live in a building that has restricted access, so no one can randomly knock on my door. But the last place I lived had a door accessible to anyone who might walk up. Anyone pushing religion was kindly told to “Get Fucked,” and I closed the door. It happened maybe three times over the years I lived there. I’m otherwise very polite to strangers.
Coming to a stranger’s home and presuming you know better than they on such a (in their mind) important topic. To knock on my door and basically tell me that I’m wrong and they know the right answer. Get Fucked!
The problem is mate, your country funds the worst Muslim countries and other theocracies like the Saudis and Isreel. So when you advocate for going all militant atheist, you have to consider that you’re not harrassing or kicking down an already impoverished, powerless people whether they’re refugees or victims of US bombs in Yemen or Palestine.
I obviously understand your disdain for your local Christian fundamentalists.
Who said anything about militant atheism? I’m not the guy harassing strangers with my religious beliefs in public, but I am the guy mocking and embarrassing them (if they’re even capable of shame)
I don’t give a fuck what country someone is from. You don’t deserve respect when you go out and harass and insult strangers. Being a refugee and insulting your host country is even worse in my opinion. Deport those snakes, they obviously miss home. How dare they come up another country claiming to be seeking help and then spit on them like that.
What do you mean by that? Free speech is a fundamental right in most of the wealthiest democracies.
Free speech is a fundamental right
My saying your religion is stupid is just as protected as someone else talking about their imaginary friend.
You don’t deserve respect when you go out and harass and insult strangers. Being a refugee and insulting your host country is even worse in my opinion. Deport those snakes, they obviously miss home.
To which my point was the threat of deportation discourages them from speaking out about any abuses, or criticising wrongdoing as a normal citizen of the country ought to.
And: I’m concerned at what I see as an over-focus on social liberalism; it muddies the waters for the actual problem of poverty and marginalisation. It’s proven that people become less open to newcomers and ideas when their economic circumstances take a hit - and Europe has a racist tendency of shoving immigrants in poor neighbourhoods to keep them out of sight and poor. So in many cases we’re blaming the victims.
Who the fuck said anything about restricting free speech? You keep trying to put words in my mouth.
I said fuck em and I don’t respect them and I like to harass them while they’re harassing others. Not “the government should do blank because my feelings are hurt by speech”. I said I’d be fine with deporting refugees that use asylum deceitfully to push their agenda, but that’s probably unrealistic and would probably be used to hurt innocents.
Ancient mythology doesn’t suddenly deserve respect just because large groups of people decide they’re gonna take it literally and force it on everyone else every chance they get.
I said I’d be fine with deporting refugees that use asylum deceitfully to push their agenda, but that’s probably unrealistic and would probably be used to hurt innocents.
Yeah. I hope you see the threat of deportation discourages them from speaking out about any abuses, or criticising wrongdoing as a normal citizen of the country ought to.
I’ve already said I understand your wariness of Christian fundamentalists.
I’m simply concerned at what I see as an over-focus on social liberalism; it muddies the waters for the actual problem of poverty and marginalisation. It’s proven that people become less open to newcomers and ideas when their economic circumstances take a hit - and Europe has a racist tendency of shoving immigrants in poor neighbourhoods to keep them out of sight and poor. So in many cases we’re blaming the victims.
In the UK Christianity has massively declined, and yet they have a decade of no growth, stagnation, a third of children missing meals and Victorian diseases are back.
Yeah I realized after I said it that it was likely something I hadn’t thought through.
The UK is struggling largely because of conservatives who tear down services that help people to give tax breaks to the rich. They’re also the ones who pushed Brexit and privatized national rail and refuse to properly fund NHS. Is it a coincidence that they’re all overwhelmingly religious? I have a guess…
Meh. Who cares. Doubt they’ll find a lot of willing takers. Sweden should have encouraged the raging idiots to burn bibles. Nobody would have fucking cared. It’s all fake outrage and the Qur’an burners all have ties to Russian money. Wonder why…
the quran burner had his family killed by muslims, he’s from Iraq. He doesn’t need russian money to express his hatred for people who killed his family
No, santa clause is off limits. What would we do if the easter bunny wasn’t real?
These concepts must be kept alive, granted special treatment, tax exemptions or… we might forget about them and… well… what are we going to fight about then!?
As if we Swedes wouldn’t have mandatory education about the major religions of the world during school already. And I am pretty sure almost every school library carries copies of the quran, just as the bible and some other major scriptures.
The man who burned the quran literally had his family tortured to death by muslims in Iraq
He’s free to burn the garbage as many times as he wises
Weird how all you people don’t even care about that part of this story
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If I had relatives killed by extremist Jews (yeah, yeah, just hear me out), would it be okay for me to promote Nazi ideology and idolize the Holocaust? Hate is wrong in every circumstance.
It’s a pretty big leap from burning a holy book (no consequences except hurting people’s feelings) and promoting actual harm against people and idolizing genocide.
Also- you say that like Jewish extremists aren’t currently killing Palestinians.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102728946/a-look-at-jewish-extremism-in-israel
Promote Nazis? No. Burn Tora? Yes.
This is burned paper, though. Not quite the same as advocating for burned people. We shouldn’t give human rights to any book. If someone wanted to burn a book they should be free to do so for any reason as long as it’s their book, I guess.
Also, if this would have been a Torah or a Bible used in this demonstration, we wouldn’t even have heard about it, because Muslims seem to be the only ones willing to kill someone for burning paper.
Talk about burning bibles anywhere in rural America and I assure you the threat of jail time is the only thing stopping you from being shot in the street.
Jail time for what crime? Do you have an example of this happening?
I can find one case in 2014 in Arizona. The man burned a bible in front of a Christian-oriented homeless shelter. He was detained on suspicion of one count of unlawful symbol burning.
That seemed like a very strange law, so I looked it up.
A. It is unlawful for a person to burn or cause to be burned any symbol not addressed by section 13-1707 on the property of another person without that person’s permission or on a highway or any other public place with the intent to intimidate any person or group of persons. The intent to intimidate may not be inferred solely from the act of burning the symbol, but shall be proven by independent evidence.
B. A person who violates this section is guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor.
If I had to speculate, this law was probably put in place against cross burning by the KKK or similar intimidating acts.
He was arrested on suspicion of unlawful symbol burning, but I can’t find any updates on the case, which likely means he was not prosecuted for it.
I can’t find any more cases besides this and someone being jailed for 11 years for burning a bible. In Egypt.
I think he means “The law against shooting people dead with guns” is what stops people shooting you dead with guns, if you are to mention anything related to bible burning.
However, the info you’ve dug up there is really interesting, thanks!
this guy got it right, but yea thanks for the info dump. I’m sure I can make a trivia night question outta that lol. He also managed to dig up an oddly relevant law as I live in Arizona.
What ideology did he promote?
Being against Judaism is not the same as being a Nazi whatsoever, so your analogy is just incorrect on a fundamental level. And frankly, it’s so obvious that it feels like a bad faith argument.
And yes, if you had relatives killed by jewish (religion, not ethnicity) people justified by their religion, it would be completely in your right to burn their religious text.
Hell, you’re in your right to go burn any religious texts you want without a reason. (Not recommended in Islamic countries, might lead to a severe case of a death penalty).
Would it be okay for an angry Palestinian who had their family killed by Israel to burn a Torah?
Or should that Palestinian respect the feelings of the people who follow the ideology responsible for their families death?
It’s a book. Why does it matter?
Didn’t someone from Sweden just try to burn the Torah until they realized Torahs are fucking expensive so they just burned a piece of paper.
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Yeah that’s what I am talking about. The protesters just couldn’t afford to burn a Torah Scroll (It’s handwritten on leather and stuff). So they just burned a blank piece of paper instead.
Personally I don’t care what religious text people want to burn but I am just worried it will develop into burning people just like that common phrase.
Not okay, but understandable. Two seperate things.
This is very much tarring all Muslims with the same brush, no?
Like I’m not denying he has the right to burn the quran if he wants.
But to insist that the actions of some Muslims justify hatred towards all of them is deplorable.
If my family was killed by Christian colonizers, I would probably have some pretty negative feelings about the Bible, too.
It’s not merely the actions of a few. It is the broader community of tacit support for religious doctrine that allows extremism to develop and thrive.
More people should actually read these religious texts to get a better understanding of just how terrible it is to be a “real” Christian or Muslim.
I dont know how useful it would be. I’ve read some of the Bible and it seems VERY separated from the morality of real life christians.
Plenty of people have had atrocities committed on them by Christians. And yet you don’t have people burning bibles outside churches and claiming all Christians are brutal ass-backwards murderers.
I’m pretty sure theres been a lot of christian Bible burnings, theres even YT videos of a few. I cant find anyone claiming all christians are brutal ass-backwards murderers but it probably exist. Not that anyone cares enough to cause a diplomatic issue just for that. Also the “christians” burns other “christians” Bible’s too ocassionally, just because of slight differences. Probably a big reason why nobody cares anymore.
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Like, nobody ever says “you people” unless they’re about to commit injustice.
Lmfao what? That’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve read.
He said “all you people”, referring to the media and the comments. He wasn’t referring to any demographic.
Obviously, when “you people” is used to refer to a demographic, it’s followed by something negative. But it doesn’t mean it can’t be used in normal conversation.
This just means the protest was effective.
Good plan. As they say, the solution to bad speech is more speech.
Should just be provided as dry wood directly if it’s gonna serve the same purpose honestly.
Also, values of coexistence? In the most violent and regressive major religion? Lmao the only people it likes to coexist with are pedos like its prophet
Well at least Sweden will be warm this winter.
wow…
They’re… just gonna burn more of it, whether anyone likes it or not.
