Yeah the audacity to charge money for dev time if they so choose :| wild. Something free market of ideas something
Test from Infinity (works)
Hello from infinity
This meme was posted through infinity, (also works).
Funny thing is that Sync has still posting feature Comming Soon™
Truth is… Many FOSS lacks significant polish and features as… Well it’s free. I don’t mind paying for a quality product
Yeah FOSS is rarely better than the commercial equivalent. Almost universally they’re terrible in a hundred minor ways that makes them annoying as hell to use. The best FOSS products come from… Company sponsorship.
Just not true. Proprietary software starts on the wrong foot by asking, “how can we make money from this?”. FOSS software is clean from that bs and it’s so easy for it to improve since outside people can (sort of) aid in development. I use proprietary software as a last resort and it doesn’t happen very often.
Foss is usually better than the proprietary equivalent.
Depends. Something like Krita? Absolutely. LibreOffice? Not so much.
I’m on team Sync on this one, it just has the advantage of 10+ years of maturity.I’m on team Sync
It’s just one developer. I don’t understand why the entire discussion people pretend you are either fully for FOSS else you’re completely against proprietary software. It isn’t black and white.
Depends. If the FOSS products has company backing, sure, but devs working in their free time are incapable of competing against a team of devs working 40 hours a week.
Glad to see the lemmy community welcoming new users and their choice of app to engage with the fediverse.
thanks! this post made me try out thunder, and I have to say it’s my favorite so far! sync is way too flashy, the standard font is way too small, the condensed feed view options (smaller cards, list, compact) are virtually all the same shitty list view, and it’s too floaty and zoomy.
thunder on the other hand gets all the little, but super-important things just right; how one-finger zooming of pictures is so smooth, how the download button is in a logical spot and is responsive to show the succeeded download; how the preview in the feed is just the right size; how collapsing comment chains is smooth and not disorienting. great app, thanks for the recommendation!
oh and I couldn’t care less if an app is open source, closed source, pay-to-use or not, as long as the UI is good. I’d just block ads anyway, or try to find a ripped version (revanced etc) – but having an app that’s not reporting home is of course even better!
This kind of gatekeeping and elitism is bad for Lemmy and for FOSS.
It makes this community a less welcoming place and leaves new folks with a bad first impression. Much better to be welcoming and let people learn/see the benefits of FOSS at their own pace.
I don’t understand how promoting FOSS in favor of proprietary software is bad for FOSS?
This is not promoting FOSS. This is mocking closed-source/paid Lemmy clients.
100% agree. Going “haha, aren’t I COOL for NOT using this one popular app or software!?” contributes absolutely nothing and actively makes the community uninviting. I’m all for FOSS, but if a closed-source app is better than the FOSS options, I ain’t gonna knock on anybody for using it.
Also why even use an app outside of accessibility reasons? Been using Kbin on a mobile browser and it’s been a pretty good experience.
Also sometimes the FOSS software sucks compared to the non-open alternatives.
I’d given up on lemmy because every so I had tried was unfinished and unpolished. I tried sync and finally felt like the user experience wasn’t getting in the way of content.
I’d love to support foss, if a genuinely comparable experience existed.
I’m glad to say that sync has revived my interest in lemmy.
Good for you, I personally prefer Thunder
I’m glad to say that sync has revived my interest in lemmy.
Seconded
You should check out Thunder, even if you gave it a try at some point - it’s super polished and it’s gotten even better week after week. In my opinion it has the best compact mode of all the lemmy clients, as long as you don’t mind swipe actions!
Not OP, but I’ve tried thunder. It’s OK. Sync is light years above all other clients I’ve tried. (same with reddit as well) swipe actions? Sync is the king of swipe actions.
I mostly meant if OP was interested in FOSS :) Sync has been fine too in my short time with it today, but personally I’m still quite taken with Thunder. Excited that all the Sync fans are excited!
Me too. I’m sticking with Thunder. Its so close.
I was using Thunder last week until Sync’s open beta got approved and the User Experience and the interface of Thunder is nowhere near Sync. It’s a night and day difference, and a difference that would have made me use Lemmy less and less.
Thunder is like a month old - it’s still growing and will continue to improve with the community’s help :) if you think anything could be improved, definitely shout it out on the GitHub page!
I understand that it’s new, and it is definitely the best FOSS Lemmy app out of the dozens that I used. But it has a very long way to go to achieve the same level of User Experience that Sync has. It’s not even close and I don’t think anything bar a major UI/UX rehaul could fix that.
Dozens?? Do tell.
Memmy is gr8
FOSS doesn’t need your support. You misunderstand the relationship. FOSS is looking out for you.
Username checks out. Wait I know this face from masto - I think I follow you!
I see the upvotes but I cannot support this comment. FOSS could use a lot more support at every level, including users.
IMO FOSS has really great offerings when it comes to libraries or other highly technical code.
But something about either the community or incentive structure results in sub-par UI/UX. Obviously not a rule, but definitely a trend I’ve noticed.
I’ve seen it for years and years now, and I can only conclude that it’s down to the kinds of people who are attracted by these kinds of projects.
They’re tech literate at a professional level by necessity in order to engage with these things at an early time in their development, and this seems to drive a mentality that makes UX design kind of an afterthought, since they already know how to do the things they want the software to do, and they’re not focused on how less tech literate users will handle it.
Then you add in the small minority of gatekeepers that wind up in every community, who feel that a larger, more generalized userbase would be invading their niche community, and you end up with stuff like the Linux forums where asking a simple question would get you a series of remarks that essentially boil down to “go fuck yourself, you should know how to do it already.”
I feel like the people concerned with UI/UX come into these kinds of projects later on after they’ve matured a little, rather than right from start, and this causes resistance to their changes because the userbase is already entrenched in the current UX, especially from the gatekeeper folk in the community who see a higher tech literacy threshold as a good thing.
Lemmy is just new. The best desktops that exist are FOSS.
Don’t forget the community’s reaction to comments like yours, why down vote him if he’s stating the obvious? FOSS projects often focus so much on technical features because everyone wants to flex their code-fu, but nobody gives enough time to UI/UX. Just look at pretty much every Lemmy web frontend, fugly webpages with early 2000s look-and-feel, usually slow and/or buggy, and with little to no user feedback.
This is why I unsubscribed from the Android community. I love Android, I use nothing but Linux at home and really appreciate open source software.
But the FOSS…enthusiasm is starting to border on zealotry. It’s getting really unpleasant.
Try to tell the Linux users on here that you prefer to use Windows…
Linux fanaticism drives me crazy. I’m definitely not saying this is true of everyone, but the very nature of Linux seems to attract many elitists who are against unified vision, accessibility, and the unfun amount and types of work required for testing quality and compatibility. The result is that for the foreseeable future, desktop Linux is a mess for everyone, and unusable by the masses. And while I’ll get downvoted for saying that (and for saying the rest of this), I feel like many Linux fanatics secretly like that “normal peasants” can’t effectively use Linux.
I will take some corporate bullshit that works, over only-half-working FOSS any day of the week. And I’m not shitting on FOSS itself. I’m just saying Linux is a disorganized and unfriendly mess. I never did get any sound whatsoever working on my i7-6700 and MSI gaming motherboard in Ubuntu, no matter how long I screwed around with Linux. And that was just to start. I wanted to love and use Linux, I really did.
Lastly, I just want to say I’m super happy with the other responses from Linux fans in this thread. They seem to understand that Linux is overrated, isn’t for everyone, doesn’t always work, and that Linux-pushers can be obnoxious. I super appreciate that understanding, fam.
I had to leave the Linux memes community because I swear nearly every post was shitting on Windows. Yes, I get it. Windows isn’t all that great. But, much like Ios, it just works for what I need. And I haven’t had any issues that weren’t ny fault with it.
If the game I play most, and the number one reason why i go on my pc, works on Windows, but won’t work on Linux. Which OS is better for me?
I thought all this software war crap era was over. That was shit I cared about when I was 14 or something. Just let it herself use what they want and explain the benefits of alternatives, only if they care.
I’m surprised they don’t shit on macOS too lol
I tell myself that I like MacOS as it was my favourite desktop for years. Honestly though, it is the worst of the three at this point.
A free os is better for you.
Or Chrome over Firefox
This drives me nuts. I like Chrome. It’s simple, it’s fast, the extensions I want run on it (for now), and I love the Google Account Sync because I have an Android phone. This greatly pisses off people for whatever reason, despite the fact I’ve never had a bad opinion about Firefox and love what they’re doing too, and I never criticize anyone for choosing Firefox.
As with everything open source communities need nuance and understanding, otherwise they start to feel like cults.
For whatever reason? They’re trying to DRM the internet lol. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but there are some pretty big reasons to be mad at Google on a good day. Nobody should take that out on you but I understand the frustration. People letting things slide because it doesn’t bother them specifically until it’s too late is how everything keeps getting worse.
There’s no denying that WEI is evil. It may in fact be the feature that kills the Chrome Browser and gets Google fined into poverty.
But from a user standpoint; I get it. It Just Works. That polish built into Chrome that allows users to sync their browsing sessions across machines? It’s absolutely critical and required.
The FOSS community has this weird habit of requiring it’s users to make sacrifices to meet it’s values. Where that doesn’t harm the user, their workflows or their convenience in general; users are typically more than happy to do so.
However; A lot of FOSS and FLOSS projects tend to take ridiculous stances against certain kinds of polish features and will REFUSE to implement them no matter how many people ask. In my opinion; if you want a software project to succeed and overtake massive competition; that’s just stupid. Especially when it’s as easy as forking a repository and baking the “Controversial feature” into the user-friendly fork version.
If you want to provide a core piece of software and all; sure! Please do that! But a lot of projects don’t, and won’t spend any time on user experience at all; and any kind of work on the UX arises because something is inconvenient for the devs.
Worse is that oftentimes; the polish features that are being blanket denied and intentionally omitted from the software are in fact not that complicated to implement in a manner that runs consistent with the values of the FLOSS community. Sure; that means that perhaps you do have to host a lot of things yourself to make sure that you truly retain control over your data; but that’s actually pretty easy to learn how to do.
I do understand the limitations of the average FLOSS project. Unfortunately; a lot of FLOSS and FOSS devs are very quick to decide that they know the best, and will frequently and often refuse to listen to the user. That’s not better. It’s worse. At least when a user is a customer, they have some degree of influence and can exert some small force on development priorities. In the FLOSS community; you can donate every cent you have to a project and it does not necessarily guarantee that you will get a say, or even one request, fulfilled. For some users; that is not better, it is worse.
We still have a long way to go before we reach a society with the maximum amount of balance between beneficial qualities, and none of the negative qualities, of socialism and capitalism.
firefox can also sync your shit across browsers, I’d argue it does it better than chrome and it just works, I’d argue better than Chrome.
Your comment could be distilled down to “Let people have things” and is still getting downvotes lol. Yeesh.
firefox also has sync, better even than chrome you literally have a button for checking out what you browsed accross all devices, you can send tabs from. one device to another
The nuance is recognising the Google hegemony is supported by choosing Chrome.
The understanding is realising what is happening to the open web as a result.
FirEfoX iS bROken weBSitEs DoN’t EvEnLoAd on iT
also it is so slow and memory inefficient
ignore any memes about anything also
I use Linux as my daily driver, yet I 100% believe Linux is overrated. It’s great if you’re willing to put in the work to get it working well, or maybe if you have someone else to do all your tech support for you, but it’s just not a good option for the majority of people.
I hate when people keep trying to push it on Windows users, especially when they go on about how “easy” it is. It’s not. And doing that will get people to try it out with high expectations and then get disappointed when they try it out and that’s not the case.
I honestly feel like people who say this stuff either haven’t tried Linux since 2008 or went straight to Arch.
I use Manjaro as my daily driver and I never need to fix the system. It really does just work, and these a bunch of disyros out there that do.
The only thing you might find terrible is trying to run windows programs on Linux, to which I say: dual boot! Even with all the progress Proton, Lutris etc. have made, it’s still way easier to just boot into windows on the occasion you want to play games or whatever.
I love Linux. I love the flexibility it gives me and I enjoy tinkering when I feel like it and having something rock solid and reliable when I don’t. I don’t game on the PC, so this works out great for me. However, my use case isn’t everyone else’s, and part of the idea of giving people freedom to use their computer the way they want is accepting that sometimes they want to use their computer in a way that you don’t like.
Maybe that means using a proprietary operating system. Maybe it means using a search engine that you don’t like. But that is what works for them, and sometimes I think the open source people operate on the fallacy of “there’s two types of people, those who use FOSS and those who haven’t found FOSS yet”, and it’s just so obnoxious.
You think people go nuts when you tell them you prefer WIndows? Wait until you see their heads spin when I tell them that while I use Arch Linux, I also use Google Chrome, Telegram, Spotify, and Discord…
God yes this is so freaking annoying.
As much as I adore FOSS and hold it near to my heart; Most FOSS software just doesn’t have a lot of polish. That isn’t a fault; but some of the zealots take it that way; and that last 5% of polish is sometimes required, and is absolutely critical to some users’ workflows.
Dood the automod is wild… people getting banned for, “suspicious activity”… and then there’s no way to ask the mods why the ban.
Btw, the automod is ONLY a service from us, that you are getting notified when something got removed from you. If you mean the @AutoMod@lemmy.world
Can someone tell me what “FOSS” means? I get it in context, but what’s the acronym? I’ll look it up later if need be
Free and open-source software
They could just say open-source like normal people but we’re amongst nerds here.
Free Open source software :)
From the perspective of someone who isn’t currently in the “Bad If Not FOSS” mindset, this image really gets the impression backwards. To the average user who doesn’t appreciate the user-unfriendly klunk and jank that is inherent to FOSS interfaces, it really feels like the image should depict a bunch of FOSS Teletubbies being intruded upon by a competent Power Ranger.
I used to be a FOSS guy. And then I realized I valued my time and sanity way too much to spend more time troubleshooting and nudging my software into just working normally than I did actually using it.
FOSS software as the underpinning of the platform that is then accessed by a closed-source client is, ultimately, the best circumstance we could ask for. Clients are what the user actually interacts with. If that experience is more engaging and approachable, you get many more users on the platform overall, without threatening the sanctity of the freedom of the FOSS platform it all runs on. There is no one authority to make unilateral decisions to derail the platform, while still offering a more welcoming public face. If you can’t understand that, or don’t care to recognize it, that you’re content to let the platform wallow in obscurity.
What about FOSS software is inherently jank? This is a stupid take that’s likely informed by some bad past experiences, of which I’ve had many with proprietary crapware.
It is easier to find crap FOSS software because it is easier to make & maintain a FOSN project when you’re less competent & you don’t have a strategy for long term success. Proprietary software relies on for-profit motives to improve, while FOSS software relies on user feedback & community incentives. This is why, while the average quality of service from FOSS programs is potentially worse, the best QoS is usually from a FOSS program. See Elk for Mastodon for a fantastic example of premium quality.
It comes from a ten year period of distro-hopping a dozen different Linux distros that ultimately all fell short of delivering an experience anywhere near as stable or reliable as Windows or Mac OS. The closest I got to that was Mint, which I ended up using from Mint 9 thru Mint 17. And then the drivers for my nVidia graphics card just…broke. I had my laptop set up as a dual boot, and until that driver mess, rarely ever booted Windows. After the driver busted, I found myself having less and less interest in spending ungodly hours trying to coax some other distro into cooperating (Ubuntu, Pentoo, Kali, Knoppix). Every distro would have some kind of conflict or missing libs or some other issue requiring hours of fixing config files or finding exactly the correct repo to install from so as not to break compatibility with something else. It just got exhausting, like having a second job just to maintain a functioning desktop that wasn’t full of obsolete or deprecated software. Mind you, I gave up back in 2015. I did wonder if I should have given LM 18 a try when it came out about a year later, but by then, I had largely just moved on from PCs as an interest altogether. I just didn’t have the budget to keep up with hardware, and my job as an over the road driver at a time lent itself to portable gaming and consoles. I couldn’t justify spending another 2 grand on another laptop that would be obsolete in two or three years.
So yes, it is my own experience with FOSS software, and lots and lots of it, and all of the headaches that went along with it. I absolutely adored Mint when it worked. It’s just too bad that that only lasted a couple years, at least for me.
My take is; it just works. It just happen to be a pleasure to browse with the app that I paid for an ad-free experience. Yay for small devs making great products.
FOSS is great, but I love to pay for a good experience.
Windows > Linux
Sync > everything else
Linux is significantly better
No.
Agree with the second one right now, but hell no to the first one.
Infinity? Where?
https://codeberg.org/Bazsalanszky/Infinity-For-Lemmy APK is in the releases tab, works surprisingly well given how new it is.
You’re a saint
I mean I imagine that a large portion of it just got moved over from the reddit version no? or different dev?
Different dev, same codebase I believe. Still some vestigial parts of reddit in it.
go memmy <3
Memmy is literally the reason I opted into the fediverse, such a beautiful UX/UI in this app! It feels like a true successor to Apollo.
I love over wefwef becuase that felt like a carbon copy of Apollo which I love but felt cheap
I’m really enjoying how Memmy takes heavy inspiration from Apollo but also takes it in its own direction
Interesting. Maybe at the beginning, when I first used it it felt not as good. But now it feels as snappy to me as Apollo ever was. https://vger.app I mean FKA Wefwef
First time seeing this one, looks very well made!
Love Memmy. It just works so good.
Oh hey, we appreciating Memmy over here?
Meanwhile I’m just waiting for boost…
Sync is fine. More good apps are better for the platform and really needed.
I personally will probably not use Sync for long. I remember using it for Reddit for a while but noticing the app was updated to slow which over time broke some stuff. Then I went onto the Sync sub and apparently the dev is a bit…sensitive when there’s negative community feedback and then just stops for a year or longer or so. Good on him if he can of course, it’s not like he has to cope with the internet but I’ve found other apps to be more reliable overall for Reddit. Let’s see how this one goes.
You sound like the dev is just a Karen who can’t handle criticism. But in fact that he was receiving death threats (literally) because he dared to change the UI and UX of the app in a major revamp (even though that version was in beta for months and nobody complained). That’s why he stopped for one year
Sorry, I don’t want it to sound like that. He can take a break whenever he wants but for me as a user I simply used his app, found it very good but over time it broke and when I checked out the sub I just saw that many people pointed to this and also that it has “happened before”. I can’t comment on all the drama that has happened with that community, I don’t know. No biggie for me but I also kinda don’t wanna deal with this and switching software too much. I started to look elsewhere because the Reddit app was breaking and there was no sign when the dev would come back and I landed on Infinity. So I will give that one a try too, see how these apps go and decide later on where I stay.
Also, I don’t want to downplay it because it is still serious but you get death threats for everything on the internet. I’ve literally yet to see any drama no matter how big or small where this apparently wasn’t the case. It’s sad.
Just because it’s normal doesn’t mean it’s fine. Wtf is this defending death threats…
The higher price might also help him be motivated to update the app frequently. I’d still be on the lookout for alternatives and the hate sync is getting is pretty rash atm.
The price might also go down as his userbase increases. The amount of people using the fediverse doesn’t yet compete with the previous reddit numbers so in order to live off it he needs more per transaction.
Never heard of/tried any of those but I have no reason to move away from Mlem, been fantastic so far
Mlem, voyageur, infinity, where do you find them as they don’t seem to be in the app store?
You have to download TestFlight which is apples beta testing app. I recommend Memmy for an app that’s on the App Store. Looks and feels a lot like Apollo did
I don’t like memmy, the interface feels very non native to iOS. Mlem feels much more like Apollo imo, and just much more like a good iOS app in general. Also Mlem was recently taken out of beta and is now in the App Store!
I was able to get Mlem without TestFlight, and that was at least a week and a half ago.
Vger.app - progressive webapp. Installs and runs as a real native thing. Give it a go. I chose that one as a stopgap thing before Sync arrives and it is hard to stop using it now. Just now I found Infinity (https://codeberg.org/Bazsalanszky/Infinity-For-Lemmy/releases). Absolutely brilliant android native app. What to choooooose? I dont know.
Mlem was recently added to the App Store!
voyager can be installed from chrome or firefox app(on android atleast) explaned by @ruud@lemmy.world on: https://lemmy.world/post/1303201
