Here’s the thing, even when we had order international law was a joke. The only reason laws work within a country is because the state can hold you accountable through violence if necessary. For a country or group of countries to be able to enforce their laws on other countries is through war. If you are not willing to go to war, you should not be engaging in this theater.,

International law is such a fucking joke. Why do they even bother with this performative bs? Stop wasting money on this nonsense.

Apparently you are right since my comment was removed. Sigh.

I don’t think so, I mean two things can be true at the same time but to me it sounds to his negotiating tactics. It’s frankly disgusting that he use this as a bargaining chip to do this but it seems like it might motivate Jordan/Egypt to lend humanitarian aid to rebuild Gaza to keep them out instead of the US covering all of it. Of course it should be Israel paying but that’s a long shot.

I just don’t think life by itself has any value, nor that death in itself is tragic. Life for me is valuable so much as you have the ability to enjoy it, and I think it to be the same for all sentient beings. But the reality is we are all interlinked and dependent on one another, we need to eat one another to survive. And so I don’t believe that animals dying is a tragedy in itself, I think an animal living in agony and then dying painfully is the real tragedy. We can eat them but we should have them live like kings before we eat them, in honor of their sacrifice.

Are you gonna eat all those metric tons of corn that are produced to feed the cows? Because I sure as fuck won’t.

I understand your argument but I think that it is just one way of looking at it and it is still more focused on human welfare rather than sentient life form welfare. Because of that I think the scale of meat production and the treatment is the problem. In a perfect society people would buy a cow to eat per year per 2 people in the household and we would have far more human treatment of a sentient species and they could be afforded good lives and painless deaths.

Life by itself has no value, what is valuable is to what extent that life can be enjoyed.

You’re right in that I said something wrong. There will be a revolution, but one that will only happen when human labor has no value. Until them, communism is not possible and it will simply become oligarchy with rampant poverty and technological stagnation while massive government inefficiency and corruption are rampant. There is very little wealth inequality if everyone except dear leader and his generals are rich, everyone else is equally poor. There might be huge wealth disparities in the US right now but the average homeless person has a higher quality of life than almost every other country in the world, this is only possible because capitalism has allowed for the quality of life of everyone to improve as it generates wealth.

The Chinese are the only ones that actually “get it” I think, or so it would seem, even if they are still somewhat adhering to tankie tendencies.

I really don’t think it makes any sense to consider tech billionaires automating labor as “real Marxists” but those studying Marxism and building Socialism as “fake.”

And yet they and their employees are the only ones capable of creating the conditions for communism to be real and viable. I will reinstate my point and urge you to meditate on it: Communism will not be viable until human labor has no value.

Marx himself thought Marxists (which existed already in his lifetime) were nutties. Anyone who actually understands what Marx is saying knows that no actual revolution will result in communism. Communism will only be achieved through capitalism ie when human labor ceases to have value, only then will communism will be achieved. So in my view, the real communists (whether they know it or not) are those working to automate the world.

None of these Stalinist tyrannies represent communism. They are inherently anti-communist as they were not really egalitarian but rather Oligarchic.

Now go fuck yourself tankie.

I don’t have anything against communists. Stalinist tankies are not communists.

Yes, I’d just hate that people kind of forget that any war is inherently a human tragedy often not perpetuated by those fighting it.

I can dislike two things at once. Watch me.

Fuck tankies, fuck fascists.

Well it is a little bit sad, they are still human beings. They have no control over where they were born and they are in a system that effectively makes it impossible for them to rebel while at the same time making it impossible for any one else to free them. It’s all around sad.

Puertorican here. You should know that Dominicans are not necessarily well liked here, so people don’t care as much as you’d think.

Vegans and vegetarians are not often more healthy than meat eaters. In fact a lot of them subsist mostly on junk food and ultra processed shit.

I dunno about their morals. For me it depends on whether they are opposed to meat because they think it’s murder (absurd notion: see op) or because they opposed the treatment of living animals in industrial meat farms, which is the real issue.

https://www.greeneuropeanjournal.eu/imitation-game-the-rise-of-conservative-socialism/

This next article describes it very well

https://quillette.com/2022/12/27/on-conservative-socialism/

This is more relevant to Europe but I have seen discussions in online boards with similar ideas in the US. The alt right is defined more by its desire to remove immigrants and anti elite sentiment than any economic ideology. For proof see how protectionist policies are very popular among them, when anyone who is fundamentally capitalist would be against them. They see globalism, a fundamental feature of capitalism as a threat to an ideal white Christian society.

Remember how Athenians called themselves a democracy but excluded everyone but rich males from participating in it? It’s a similar concept.

This is something people should point out more often. For me, in terms of policies, the real president are Vought and Peter Thiel. Two very dangerous men because unlike Trump, they are very smart and actual ideologues. The one foil they have is that their ideologies are only compatible so long as they have a common enemy in liberals. If they managed to beat the liberals they would inevitably have to fight one another for ultimate control over the ideological direction of the party (at this point in my hypothetical future perhaps the only party in America)

I don’t know if this is necessarily a good thing, but I’m a firm believer in the political pendulum, and I believe that if Trump fails to provide what he promised to the working class in terms of economic prosperity we will see the rise of a left wing populist movement in America (perhaps the first of its kind?). I’m not talking a Bernie Sanders Social Democrat but a full blown socialist movement. The risk here is that this movement could rise from within MAGA itself, keeping the cultural/social framework (aka white nationalism) but ditching the economic framework (capitalism). Already there are factions within the alt and new right that flirt with socialist ideals.

Imma be honest with you chief, you’re gonna have a hard time converting a non vegan into a vegan especially if he has a basic palate. What you need to do is make those dishes with meat to gradually ease him into it or don’t cook at all.

I love healthy food but I’m not vegan and I would also be upset if someone cooked for me like this all week long. I’d love the dishes but I’d want some meat in them by day 3.

I’m a hypocrite too because I’m very opposed to the conditions in the meat industry but have yet to find ethically raised poultry and cattle. I don’t think killing animals to eat is wrong but I do think that they deserve a place of honor in our society for giving their life to nourish and sustain us.

Violence against movements have a history of galvanizing them. For evidence look at the OG Nazis.

Also a ban, imo, does not qualify as violence. Violence would be if the discussion was to purge them like the roaches they are, but that’s not what’s happening.

I suspect banning them will make them more powerful than they are. What we really need to do with these movements is to ridicule them at every chance possible, do not only condemn them but actively mock them and treat them with the highest degree of disdain. Make it clear that a shitstain is more worthy of consideration than them. We used to do that with the KKK in the US and it worked wonders.