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1·3 months agoWhy would he have complete supporte for their sovereignty given what his country has seen at their hand. The right answer to this is why do they need a military. They are surrounded by Muslim brothers. I’m sure israel would offer their protection as well as allies near them. There are various countries today without a military force.
That said, the security concerns regarding Israel are indeed valid. I’m not sure what the right answer to that would be… perhaps in the beginning we’d need to have peacekeepers?
The problem is. Hamas wants nothing to do with that. They don’t want a two state solution unless they keep their terror military and weapons. In fact they won’t accept or recognize Israel at all. Then your problem is you blame their denial for a two state solution on Netanyahu. Or you expect him to give the terrorists sovereignty anyways.
Perhaps it was but there was some movement.
Right, that movement was not to Palestine however. Those people would have been moving to Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria because there was no country named Palestine.
I don’t know too much about this but it sounds plausible.
For it not to be plausible would mean from 1850 to now every woman would had to have 15+ kids and their kids have 5+ kids with 0 mortalities.
Well, Oct 7 really was a major setback. I would admit that Netanyahu seems like the last person to allow for Palestine or a two state solution, like, ever…
As well netanyahu has voiced his vision for a two state solution.
It’s a fair take given that time and time again Gaza advances to destroy Israel.
That’s not true. No one was moving to “Palestine”. It was a somewhat dead area. As well there was never a country called Palestine. You don’t see it on any maps. From all the development in Israel brought a lot of Arab immigrants to Palestine area as well. There could have been a Palestine but they declined that partition plan and chose to lose a war. They continue to lose wars.
Like… Those panarab trash countries attacked Israel and lost back in 1947. Let them try again sore losers. Like… We stayed out of it since the 1990s we’ve simply sent aid and medical supplies to gaza. And they wanna invade Israel again on October 7th.
The West did not create Israel as it is that was mostly all Russia from actions in the 80s, Russian immigrants started the first major settlement where thousands from Yemen and eastern Europe immigrated to in 1882.
There was no India before and for half the 20th century. Britain really united all those separate kingdoms into what India is. The majority of indias exports were not to Russia in the 20th century. Russia accounted for around 15% - 20% of their exports at that time.
Wtf are you talking about. Israeli civilians have always been a military target to Hamas. Do you not remember October 7th already?
It’s funny too because Americans don’t kill Palestinians. We send them the most aid and supplies than any other country. Israelites kill Palestinians not Americans. But that’s not misinformation to you.
The misinformation is the statement of Americans killing half his people. It’s misinformation and bad enough to be overt racism as well. Because the numbers from his own government don’t even nearly represent a fraction of half his people.
The world has been sending them aid for decades. They received over 40billion dollars since 1990. You are so deluded in the head to believe any of what you say.
You’re worried about olive trees when they kill innocent and kidnap them into torture tunnels? You’re worried about West bank terrorist olive trees? Olive trees are what you’re worried about? While there are still hostages in tunnels you worry about olive trees?
They should burn every last centuries old as well as sapling olive tree until those people are returned.
In a video of one protest in the West Bank city of Jenin on the night of July 31, one Palestinian man yelled, “We from the land of Jenin affirm that we are all Hamas,” as he led dozens of people walking through the streets.
Would you say the olive trees of jenin are Hamas olive trees?
- Ask nicely, and if the people already there agree, come on over,
“No stay where you are in Russia where they are killing and raping you.”
Nakhba
You have revisionist context. The nakhba started in 1948. You act like the Palestine Arabs did nothing wrong themselves over the 66 years since the first settlements.
In 1922 11% of the population was Jew settlers.
that’s a development which started with Zionism, particularly in its right-wing
It started after 30 years of being ransacked by the Arabian looters of the area who were doing that for at least 300 years.
Then you brought up land sales as well. So, this all started because they sold their land to Jews then were mad Jews moved into the land?
Or do you want to deny what Israel is doing in the West Bank? The state-sanctioned terror going on there?
People were once saying there was no Hamas in West Bank. There were no supporters there. Then it came out Hamas was indeed there. They should just leave them alone, eh?
You mean whether colonialism is a good thing? No. No, it isn’t.
Then why did the population of Arabs in the area exponentially grow. It doesn’t seem as bad as you make it to be. You act like Jews came there and stole their land and pillaged them. As I pointed out with Rishon LeZion in 1883 it’s not really the case it’s the other way around if anything.
Why shouldn’t Jews have a colony in Israel anyways? Why only Arabs?
which they couldn’t really do because Zionists, instead of working with the British, bombed them instead,
Wonder why they would do that? British sure we’re helping them. /s
Anyways for someone who hates colonialism so much you sure are upset they got the Brits up out of there.
How is the responsibility of random Johnny Arab to go out of their way to help some random Jews wanting to settle in the middle of nowhere without proper preparation. Why would they owe the settlers that.
No, you know, you’re right. Instead it was their responsibility to pillage them. Why would they owe them anything else than the pillaging of their starving settlement. Cowards. And you’re upset they lost their own war? From what I read they were always savage pillagers for hundreds of years. Until someone checked them. And they checked them fucking hard. Deservingly at that.
We warned them we would be bombing the shit out of marketplaces and they didn’t cease to do perfectly normal and peaceful things like visiting the market to buy and sell food so we had no choice but to terrorise them"
Maybe they didn’t heed to the warnings and stop terrorizing people themselves. Wtf are you supposed to do? Wait another 30 years and hope it all stops?
Also you have to think once they got their own state or colony or whatever you call it the Irgun ended all that. On top of it the Irgun isn’t an official entity of the Israeli government. In fact their govt labeled them a terrorist organization.
And yet the terror continued.
Of course it did. They been terrorizing for hundreds of years.
I already had you half-pegged as an Israeli but that definitely disqualifies you, you know nothing about Israel.
That contradicts itself. How can you have me half pegged as an Israeli if I know nothing. I would have to know a decent amount of something.
And no, early Zionists were not at all shy about calling what they were doing colonialism.
Ohh no they setup a colony where persecuted Jews across Europe could escape to. You might wonder if the Jews moving to that area may have been a good thing? With the Jews also brought lots of Arab immigrants as well. And just for some numbers in 1900 there were around 600,000 Arabs in Israel and 90 thousand Jews.
1920 is what the article you linked starts off with. It has pretty much nothing to do with Rischon LeZion
Yes it does. It shows how things escalated over the 30 years after the settlement of Rishon LeZion and to what degree the Palestine Arabs escalated it.
Who got pillaged, when? And, yes, shit happens. The right course of action would’ve been to round up the perpetrators and put them before court. What the Idrun did, instead, was to bomb police stations and market places.
Rishon LeZion. 1983 while they were starving with no water well trying to transport water on camelback to farm the land. How can they round up the perpetrators? I’m assuming the perpetrators hide behind some guarded fortress. You think a starving people is going to accomplish that?
Then back to the Jerusalem Post article the relevant part is here: you even pointed to it yourself.
But there was much more than the Arab misinterpretation of our Western-minded moderation and inclination to delude ourselves that if we overlook sporadic barrages from Gaza, its homicidal ardor will somehow dissipate.
Here are some announcements and warnings the Irgun gave to Palestine-Arabs. Why are you so apologetic for those murderers?
The National Military Organization has warned you, if the murderous attacks on Jewish civilians shall continue, its soldiers will penetrate your centers of activity and plague you. You have not heeded the warning. You continued to harm our brothers and murder them in wild cruelty. Therefore soldiers of the National Military Organization will go on the attack, as we have warned you.
… However even in these frenzied times, when Arab and Jewish blood is spilled at the British enslaver, we hereby call upon you … to stop the attacks and create peace between us. We do not want a war with you. We are certain that neither do you want a war with us…[57]
Expanding that to the sole population is like calling all Israelis Kahanites, …
You did just call me that. I don’t know what it means.
You were talking about 1920. That’s Battle of Tel Hai and the Nebi Musa riots.
1920 is 30 years after the first settlement. I believe the first settlement were hippies who wanted to live in peace. A lot of them had just moved there from a crazy situation in Russia. Why is it a crazy notion they want to live in peace? You don’t explain why they were attacked and pillaged and I can’t find that. Other than Arab marauders have always looted and pillaged for hundreds of years?
That is maybe part of the context to all those moderate actions Britain took.
You called me a kahanite well what about you? Left wing anti Semite?
Who is “they”? You might want to go back and read that article.
…? The Japanese anti Korea public? The Japanese public who let the protests continue for a whole year?
you’re still spouting the same myths.
What myths? For someone who has carried on for 3 days it’s weird you stop here.
There is literally nothing you have said to the treatment of the first settlers in 1890. They didn’t displace anyone. It was just 100 people settling surrounded by what? 100K people? And that’s the way they were treated? Left to starve and their village pillaged? Okay buddy. You say Rishon LeZion is a myth? That they had to go to France just to get a well made because those jew haters couldn’t help them is a myth?
You were talking about Japan’s social sentiment of the zainichi. So I pointed to the year long hate speech protests they conducted toward school children
More than half of which were driven out of the country, by threat of settler violence, during the Nakhba.
It is completely false. They left because their Arab allies warned them to leave as they were going to invade Israel. Which they did.
What really happened is the first Jewish immigrants(just 100 people in 1890 known as Rishon LeZion) faced harsh conditions. Trouble farming their barren land, starving and trouble getting water to their settlement. All while starving and trying to live the Arab marauders would pillaged their settlement. There was no displacement or made up nakhba.
That sentiment has always been the same to " Itbach al-Yahud " even nearly 100 years later with Hamas.
Then, WTF is “Hamas-Palestinians”
Damn, you really are dumber than I thought. Looool.
What lies? You don’t show sources proving they are not Hamas. You simply yell, Propaganda!
There are countless proofs that Hamas operates in unrwa buildings. They’ve admitted as much themselves.