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  • I mean, (at least at this point in time) Catholicism doesn’t claim to know exactly on that specific issue.

    That would be my position, I think; I might think you may be being too black and white about how people process information and how easy that is or isn’t.

    But, if that’s too lenient for you, I’m sure you could find other Catholics who take a more concrete or defined stance. There simply isn’t any definive dogma, yet, promulgated by the church on exactly where the line is on how much your struggling with an issue is sufficient enough for God.

    Perhaps I’m too lenient but I do think that most people don’t decide to do things because they think it’ll make the world worse; that’s just me, though.


  • I mean, they’re good questions. I don’t know if knowing the answer is simple, though.

    I would say that I’d think any conception of a Just or Good god would take into account one’s level of power in a system, though.

    A CEO who has access to the data and the power to do something? I expect you could make the argument yes.

    I think the average person who has to use a car because it’s the only way to get to the job which feeds their family is probably not committing a mortal sin.

    And I think it’s fair to consider cases where a person may be aware of the data (and able to transfer away from a car by making changes in their life) but not fully register how they contribute to it to be cases where we might argue that they aren’t fully aware that they’re doing wrong or harm.


  • As a Catholic, it’s slightly grating for most criticisms regarding Christianity to just be reactions to the most obnoxious Protestants.

    (for reference,

    • not being a Christian isn’t a sin
    • while it is required to believe a Hell exists, there is no requirement to believe anyone is there
    • free choice/will is paramount
      • we break sins into veneal and mortal
        • mortal sins are the ones that send you to Hell
      • you cannot commit a mortal sin without full knowledge that what you’re doing is wrong and choosing so anyway
      • we may not necessary be clear on the hows/whys/details but it follows that anyone in Hell is there because of deliberate choice on their part
      • again, not believing isn’t a sin
      • see previous point about the possibility no one is there

    Not to say that Catholicism doesn’t have things it can be criticized for (Lord knows) but I know the type of Christians your taking about and it’s just so far and beyond removed from our actual theology)


  • I don’t think they were saying they’re Nazis; unfortunately, many people can’t recognize the harm a group does if that harm is slow or “off-screen” (like the poverty or civil restrictions most conservative policies inevitably result in).

    I think they were just using a conservative group such as the Nazis since it’d be much more obvious to the average person as to why we need to draw a line, with some groups, and cleanly indicate why OP’s blanket statement that “everyone should be welcome” can’t possibly be true.

    There are those who view this offer to share their thoughts and existence as an opportunity to permanently terminate the same of others.