Protesters in Barcelona have sprayed visitors with water as part of a demonstration against mass tourism.

Demonstrators marching through areas popular with tourists on Saturday chanted “tourists go home” and squirted them with water pistols, while others carried signs with slogans including “Barcelona is not for sale.”

Thousands of protesters took to the streets of the city in the latest demonstration against mass tourism in Spain, which has seen similar actions in the Canary Islands and Mallorca recently, decrying the impact on living costs and quality of life for local people.

The demonstration was organised by a group of more than 100 local organizations, led by the Assemblea de Barris pel Decreixement Turístic (Neighborhood Assembly for Tourism Degrowth).

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    Classic. You’re applying systemic issues onto the individual. It wasn’t “taken over”. Private property was used for business means. (Tourism). That’s an issue between landowners and the state, not between 2 (or more) random people on the street. Everyone in that system consented. The tourists are there legally, and should not be the victim of mob practices.

    Always maintain the consent and autonomy of others. Simple stuff.

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      Plenty of movements went on due to public pressure through protests. iIRC the Dutch pro-livable cities movement started that way, with protests against cars, half a century ago.

      Also, you’re giving to tourists a right while stripping it from ourselves. You forget that in a crowd you’re going to have some that are going to break into private property, halt streets and do all kinds of dumb shit in the name of an Instagram picture.

      Touristing and handling garbage can be seen the same way. You can think a bit about what bin to use and that takes some extra effort or you can just throw everything in the general because it is easier.

      You’re touristing in another countries for like 1 week a year. That means that the ratio of time you’re touristing to the time you’re not is like 53:1, assuming that everyone does the same (which is def not the case). So, a perfectly balanced town in this hypothetical reality has 1 person touristing for each 53 not doing it. In some parts of these cities the opposite happens. It is so massive that you get many times more tourists than locals and that is enough to get everything malfunctioning.

      Barcelona just had to remove bus lines from Google Maps to let locals have a chance to ride them. How is this fair? And this is the authorities doing something as you just advocated for. They got called out for that as xenophobic and whatnot. So, tell me, if I live in a place with a nice environment, how to I go to work? And how do I keep a house and a job given the rent increases sponsored by the millions that want to prop up their Instagram? If we can’t forbid them from coming, what exactly should we do that is not going to be called xenophobic? Tax it to reduce their numbers? That’s also condemned by plenty as gentrification. What is the good solution exactly?

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        Again, sounds rough. Barcelona should change.

        But individuals do not deserve to be trapped or harassed for doing something legal.

        The issue lies solely between residents, property owners and the government.

        Don’t target individuals.

        Use some critical thinking, Im not defending unlimited tourism. I’m not discussing the situation in Barcelona at all really. I’m talking about the fundamentals of ethical protest. If your point requires you to abuse individuals, you aren’t protesting, you’re a mob.

        If “you” so casually ignore consent and bodily autonomy in public, what’s happening in private?

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          There are plenty of legal things that are condemnable.

          Going to a place that you know upfront that is suffering like this, where you know that you’re contributing a teeny bitsy to get someone homeless, jobless and cultureless might be legal but it isn’t moral.

          One might argue that most tourists do not know that. They simply look up some “top 17 best places to go in summer 2024” and off they go. They think that they are going to ride in a lovely tram through lovely streets and then some paradisiac beach when reality is smelling sweaty butts through crowds all the way.

          But how to you convince dumb tourists to be smart and moral tourists when there are plenty of good places they can go to that aren’t overcrowding (even in these same countries)? I personally dunno. And since you think that individuals should not be concerned then you probably prefer some other route.

          We can have quotas, but then you get gentrification. Whoever is the richest gets in and the others do not.That’s also terrible. Plus you’d get a black market with illegal renting due to market pressures.

          What solution do you propose exactly?

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            I propose not targeting individuals with a mob.

            I propose turning that group back from a mob, into a protest, and getting in the government’s face.

            Like, the tourists walked into a door marked: “free candy, please come in. Yes, you!”, then once through, are told “how dare you, we have so little candy for ourselves”. They can’t undo that they walked through the door. They were invited through. The folks inside should instead take the issue up with whoever put the sign on the door, and work to take that down.

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              I propose turning that group back from a mob, into a protest, and getting in the government’s face.

              Has happened, hundreds of times. Zero effect. Governments couldn’t love anything more but free money that comes independently of the well being of their citizens. Dutch disease 2.0. Plus, the Madrid government isn’t exactly known for attending Catalonia’s needs. For some reason they tried to declare independence 9999 times in these last decades.

              The folks inside should instead take the issue up with whoever put the sign on the door, and work to take that down.

              Well, having a reputation for being annoying towards tourists is a sign by itself. And put yourself in the shoes of those fellas. What can they realistically do if the democratic process doesn’t cut? Should they just abandon their land?

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                What they can’t (shouldn’t ) do is popularize mob justice by harassing (legally) innocent people.

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                  And what I asked you was what they should do instead given that Catalonia will always be a minority.

                  The last minority in Spain that was veeeeery unhappy started a diplomat space program. Is that the way?

                  I also pointed out that this pacific-ish way of manifestation (cmon, this is not hard assaulting; more like attention grabbing) has done wonders for some movements in the past. Modern Netherlands were reborn out of people roadblocking “innocent people trying to go to work or trying to enjoy their off days” with bicycle protests.

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                    Roadblocking is not entrapping or touching (even with a toy). (Provided road users are given a chance to safely divert without being trapped)

                    Edit it seems like you think I think public protest isn’t practical or safe. I don’t feel that way. Protest is good, and safe protest is possible.

                    I’m specifically focusing on a behavior: that of surrounding/hounding/bothering individuals, as this can intimidate them, and reduce their personal freedom, and disrespect their consent/bodily autonomy.

                    I conclude by saying I get this is a “light-hearted” version, but I fundamentally disagree with it because normalizing this stuff makes it easier for more hatful people to get away with it in the future, on other, more inflammatory topics