I’m doing my part. I had two posts on Reddit. One was superniche and got 30ish points. Whatever, I was happy. It had useful info for the other people on the sub. Then I posted something to the broader community and got two downvotes in like 1 second, killing it. How did they even look at it? I think someone was sitting there gleefully downvoting every fucking thing. I never posted again.
I’ve been here since mid June and have made 264 posts, like WTF. I’m having more fun here than I ever did on Reddit and I don’t get that sick feeling I used to get from seeing all the outrage posts and mean comments (to everyone, not just me).
I’ve been here since mid June and have made 264 posts,
I have almost 300 comments over three weeks now. I actually had Lemmy bookmarked for some time, but started participating after giving Reddit the punt. That’s way higher post frequency than before. Yeah it’s great feeling like you can say reasonable stuff without coming under attack.
People still are arguing for downvotes here on Lemmy. I think they are poison to a good community. They are not helping to moderate - they are silencing opinions and creating echo chambers.
I think they theoretically can be used well, and I’ve tried to be more reserved in how I use them here on Lemmy, but I agree often times they can become culturally toxic. I’m glad Lemmy has a better culture so far, we’re really building something great here I think.
If I don’t agree with someone here, I upvote anyway. Not because I’m a Pollyanna, but because I’m happy they’re here and supporting Lemmy by posting and commenting. I really want Lemmy to stay up and stable for a long time and provide what Reddit used to provide for the wider community. Reddit still does, but hopefully we can too. I’m talking about political and health issues.
If it’s a mean comment, I do nothing and move on.
If something is just messed up, that’s a message for the mods. I’ve messaged once so far. Someone posted information about a person (image and real-life contact info) and said they were performing cosmetic surgery on puppies. The image was of the person flipping the bird, so it was clearly made as a hit piece. Mods got rid of it within a day.
Yeah the issue is that the upvote/downvote binary is used for more than just (good contribution)/(bad contribution).
Back when Reddit was small enough to have community values, reddiquette was taken semi-seriously. But with the push for more users over the past 5-7 years, that’s all gone out the window.
I’ve thought a bit about how that issue could be fixed in a way that still allows content to be rated by usefulness democratically, and I’m pretty convinced that for that to happen, there would need to be an upvote/downvote and an agree/disagree.
Order content by vote delta, but display the agree/disagree counts on the content.
Would be interesting to be able to see content that makes good arguments but that is largely disagreed with instead of having that content disappear at the bottom of the page.
Yeah, and that would give people an outlet for when they want to express how they feel about some content without having to muddy the default prioritize/deprioritize-based sorting.
I follow a similar philosophy, except I do downvote the mean but not rule breaking content. While it’s not bad enough to justify removal, I do still want to discourage people being mean on this platform. For most disagreeable opinions, I’ll either move on or reply with my point of view.
For me while scrolling through a threat I upvote those that I agree with and leave alone those that I disagree, unless it’s done in an asshole kind of way which I kind of despise.
But if I make a post I do tend to upvote everyone which I kind of justify as “rewarding” people for interacting with me.
Different people see the meaning of downvote in a different way. I don’t always use it negatively. I think of it now as voting in general terms. Sometimes I do use it because I strongly dislike the comment. I guess maybe we need 2 different downvote options lol
I was a bit baffled by your post because it seemed odd, but it’s the second time today I’ve encountered someone mentioning it. It appears that lemmy.today is a no-dv instance; I presume it’s a server switch option. The rest of the instances I’m on all have up/down voting, and kbin, of course, has boost/up/down. Not that there’s anything wrong with it but, just so you know, it’s a feature of your instance and not lemmy-wide.
I’m doing my part. I had two posts on Reddit. One was superniche and got 30ish points. Whatever, I was happy. It had useful info for the other people on the sub. Then I posted something to the broader community and got two downvotes in like 1 second, killing it. How did they even look at it? I think someone was sitting there gleefully downvoting every fucking thing. I never posted again.
I’ve been here since mid June and have made 264 posts, like WTF. I’m having more fun here than I ever did on Reddit and I don’t get that sick feeling I used to get from seeing all the outrage posts and mean comments (to everyone, not just me).
Loving Lemmy.
Niceness fosters niceness. Glad we have a bunch of like-minded folk.
You’re doing an incredible job. Keep going :).
You too, random citizen!
I have almost 300 comments over three weeks now. I actually had Lemmy bookmarked for some time, but started participating after giving Reddit the punt. That’s way higher post frequency than before. Yeah it’s great feeling like you can say reasonable stuff without coming under attack.
Exactly! Things like “Hitler did nothing wrong”
People still are arguing for downvotes here on Lemmy. I think they are poison to a good community. They are not helping to moderate - they are silencing opinions and creating echo chambers.
I think they theoretically can be used well, and I’ve tried to be more reserved in how I use them here on Lemmy, but I agree often times they can become culturally toxic. I’m glad Lemmy has a better culture so far, we’re really building something great here I think.
My philosophy on downvotes:
If I don’t agree with someone here, I upvote anyway. Not because I’m a Pollyanna, but because I’m happy they’re here and supporting Lemmy by posting and commenting. I really want Lemmy to stay up and stable for a long time and provide what Reddit used to provide for the wider community. Reddit still does, but hopefully we can too. I’m talking about political and health issues.
If it’s a mean comment, I do nothing and move on.
If something is just messed up, that’s a message for the mods. I’ve messaged once so far. Someone posted information about a person (image and real-life contact info) and said they were performing cosmetic surgery on puppies. The image was of the person flipping the bird, so it was clearly made as a hit piece. Mods got rid of it within a day.
As Reddit has proven, this is not how the masses use downvotes. I have seen unpopular, but harmless opinions be downvoted.
I have seen people getting downvoted heavily by saying they don’t like x game. That creates echo chambers.
Yeah the issue is that the upvote/downvote binary is used for more than just (good contribution)/(bad contribution).
Back when Reddit was small enough to have community values, reddiquette was taken semi-seriously. But with the push for more users over the past 5-7 years, that’s all gone out the window.
I’ve thought a bit about how that issue could be fixed in a way that still allows content to be rated by usefulness democratically, and I’m pretty convinced that for that to happen, there would need to be an upvote/downvote and an agree/disagree.
Order content by vote delta, but display the agree/disagree counts on the content.
Would be interesting to be able to see content that makes good arguments but that is largely disagreed with instead of having that content disappear at the bottom of the page.
various reaction choices seems to be a better communicator… like on linkedin. i’d rather flag something as interesting or funny or ugh…
Yeah, and that would give people an outlet for when they want to express how they feel about some content without having to muddy the default prioritize/deprioritize-based sorting.
I follow a similar philosophy, except I do downvote the mean but not rule breaking content. While it’s not bad enough to justify removal, I do still want to discourage people being mean on this platform. For most disagreeable opinions, I’ll either move on or reply with my point of view.
For me while scrolling through a threat I upvote those that I agree with and leave alone those that I disagree, unless it’s done in an asshole kind of way which I kind of despise.
But if I make a post I do tend to upvote everyone which I kind of justify as “rewarding” people for interacting with me.
Different people see the meaning of downvote in a different way. I don’t always use it negatively. I think of it now as voting in general terms. Sometimes I do use it because I strongly dislike the comment. I guess maybe we need 2 different downvote options lol
Like two different car horns.
One for, “Hey, I’m over here. Don’t hit me.” And one for, “HEY, I’M OVER HERE! DON’T HIT ME!”
I was a bit baffled by your post because it seemed odd, but it’s the second time today I’ve encountered someone mentioning it. It appears that lemmy.today is a no-dv instance; I presume it’s a server switch option. The rest of the instances I’m on all have up/down voting, and kbin, of course, has boost/up/down. Not that there’s anything wrong with it but, just so you know, it’s a feature of your instance and not lemmy-wide.
Yup its configured on each instance in the admin settings.
Maybe, but it didn’t help with youtube. I’m giving a respectful downvote to you because I think I disagree
Sure go ahead. :)
I miss when downvote was a “this doesn’t contribute to discussion” button, not a “disagree” button.
I know what you mean within seconds my post would be downvoted. Its either a downvote bot or a rude moderator. Lemmy is a breath of fresh air.