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    4 months ago

    We waste tremendous amounts of food but people go hungry.

    This waste may look big in absolute numbers, but probably isn’t meaningful as percentage of total economy - we’re wealthy so many of us can afford to be a little wasteful.

    Capitalism optimizes for profit and profit only. Sometimes that leads to good outcomes, sometimes it leads to bad outcomes.

    Usually bad outcomes are the corner cases - I’m perfectly aware that they exist (harmful monopolies, CO2, ect.) But it’s the role of solid legal framework to deal with these issues.

    On the other hand you have at best no idea what sort of pathologies can arise in alternatives to capitalism, and at worst it can be repeat of the of USSR or North Korea.

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        Grocery stores dump good food all the time

        My relative happens to work in the food trade industry. The only cases when they dump food is either when expiration date is passing, or when they suspect that frozen stuff was transported incorrectly - aka cooling/freezing chain was broken somewhere - in that case they just don’t accept the transport - it’s most likely dumped afterwards by the company delivering it.

        Sale of expired food is forbidden by law.

        As a worker you are only hired and remain employed insofar as you produce more value for the company than you cost

        Of course. Also as a worker I remain hired and employed as long as the employer delivers me more value (aka wage and other benefits) than his competitors. Otherwise I dump him just like he’d dump me.

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                Your point seems to be that you think grocery store food waste is a matter of too much regulation

                I thought it’s a mater of public health and safety.

                I can’t argue with someone who treats capitalism like a deity

                I can’t ignore what I see. And I see, computers, airplanes, modern agriculture, and all the wonders of modern civilization.

                You come across like a libertarian

                I was a libertarian as a teenager, but with time I understood that every extremism is pathological. I’d say I’m a liberal now.

                You’re the biggest capitalism simp I’ve encountered in quite some time

                It’s always gets personal with you people. You can’t win the debate and you get angry.

                oxymoronic political identity.

                Which part of my identity is oxymoronic? You throw accusations but you never give any examples.

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                    The oxymoronic identity is libertarianism. It masquerades as anarchy but doesn’t oppose capitalist oppression.

                    I see a pattern here - you’re operating on a twisted set of definitions - this isn’t the first time I’m seeing this when debating people online

                    Particularly, you have completly different definition of anarchy. You probably consider it some sort of organized social system, but I consider it lack of any framework being enforced.

                    If you don’t understand the difference between these definitions, you can’t have any dialogue.

                    With the definition I use (and many other people BTW), basically anarcho-anything is an oxymoron. When somone talks about anarcho-capitalism, it’s nothing but gibberish to me.

                    In light of different definition, consider this:

                    Libertarianism has nothing to do with anarchy - it’s a system that minimizes state intervention to the absolute minimum, leaving as much to free market forces as possible, providing only minimal legal rails for enforcement of agreements.

                    There’s no paradox here if you run with that thought process.