• Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    These limitations on Ukraine really need to be lifted. Ukraine needs freedom to attack the best strategic targets they can, whether they are in Ukraine occupied areas or in Russia. Since Russia annexed the occupied territories, there’s not a big difference anyway.

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      The only problem I see is that it’s escalatory. If Ukraine starts using Western-supplied weapons for offensive operations, this situation goes from supplying war material for defense (under-the-table proxy war) to full-on overt proxy war. Russia will spin this as “NATO is using Ukraine to attack us” (though they’re probably doing that already).

      I can’t see how this won’t lead to a wider conflict.

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          I’m sure you’re right.

          How do we use our understanding of that, and the way that they operate, to avoid a full scale war?

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            We already crossed many times their “red lines”. This is just the good old “China’s Final Warning”.

            They are already barely managing to slowly advance against a single foe, which is still transitioning between the old soviet warfare ways toward NATO’s one, with far less soldiers, I doubt they would ever hold against the full alliance firepower.

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            There IS a full scale war going on. 31,000 confirmed dead Ukranian soldiers, and up to 120,000 dead Russian soldiers. We don’t even have a good idea how many civilian deaths, but the total death toll could be as high as 500,000.

            And no, before you start - Mutually Assured Destruction isn’t “a full scale war”. Its Annihilation of both sides, and has no precedent in the history of war.

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                4 months ago

                If Nato got involved directly Moscow would be leveled in a month.

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                Putin can’t even hold his own territory. I don’t think even he would open another front by attacking a NATO member even if the west started greenlighting their weapons be used in the incursion.

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        You can thank Putin for making it go this far.

        Time he pays the piper.

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        4 months ago

        K. Russia cant even defend itself from Ukraine. Lets transition to the find out stage.

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        The only problem I see is that it’s escalatory

        Wasn’t invading Ukraine escalatory in the first place?

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        4 months ago

        Boris calling for escalation again when he’s the one who talked zelensky out of a peace deal earlier in the war? Nooo.