• jabjoe@feddit.uk
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    3 months ago

    Russia was the aggressor here. Ukraines wanted to go towards the west for a better life and protection from being further invaded by Russia. Putin is of the school of thought that Ukraine isn’t real. But it is the people of Ukraine who decide that.

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      3 months ago

      This war started more than a decade ago. Russian Federation only became a party some two years ago.

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          3 months ago

          The overthrow of a democratically elected president? That is what caused Eastern provinces to go into rebellion. Forcing those Eastern provinces to go back to being ruled by a pronato kyiv is impossible and will just lead to more fighting that will resolve nothing

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            3 months ago

            I’m sure those living in the seized parts of Ukraine are living in more of democracy now… /s

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              3 months ago

              Democracy never exists in an active warzone what does that have to do with how the conflict started?

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                3 months ago

                I’m sure if Russia wins, it will bring its conquered lands to highs of democracy the rest of Russia enjoys… and the citizens will absolutely notice the difference.

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                  3 months ago

                  You’re changing the subject away from how the conflict started because you don’t know what your talking about

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                    3 months ago

                    Hands up, no my area. I’m not a Ukrainian. I known a few. They tell me Russia attacked their country. As does ever news outlet that I trust. So yer, sorry random person on the internet, I’m going with their narrative over yours.

        • eleitl@lemm.ee
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          3 months ago

          Do not expect to find facts on Wikipedia when the overall propaganda volume is deafening.

          • jabjoe@feddit.uk
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            3 months ago

            Generally I found it’s best to not argue with the “wisdom of the crowds” unless you really know the domain, and even then, with care.

            Sorry it doesn’t say what you want.