• helenslunch@feddit.nl
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    3 months ago

    It’s a good thing I vote responsibly then. An irresponsible vote would be one that perpetuates the current, broken system.

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      3 months ago

      How does a strategic practical vote within the current system perpetuate it any more or less than a throwaway protest vote?

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        3 months ago

        Are you asking me how protests work? Is that really something that requires explanation?

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          3 months ago

          I’m asking you how, specifically, a protest vote and a strategic vote are any different in terms of perpetuating the shitty system currently in place.

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            3 months ago

            Holy shit, you are, okay. A protest vote, as the name suggests, protests the current system by showing that we would rather take time out of our day to show up to the polls and “throw away” our votes than to participate and be complicit in the current, forced 2-party system, where they both put forward absolute fucking rat-shit candidates, year after year after year.

            Like, should I show my support for the fucking pathologically-lying felonious authoritarian sex abuser with the vocabulary of a 3rd-grader? Or the former DA who did what DAs do in the early '00s, and obscured exculpatory evidence so she could send people to live out the rest of their lives in a fucking prison in order to further her career (AKA a fucking psychopath), and whose main qualification is being a half-black female?

            Now you may not like that, especially if you oppose voter reform, but don’t be disingenuous by pretending to not understand how it works.

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      3 months ago

      Because there are more effective forms of protest that don’t guarantee with 99.9% accuracy that a fascist is elected if people vote for an alternate party (literally the case this year with the margins, and “dictator day 1”).

      Voting should be pragmatic. There are a million other ways to protest/lobby, but honestly the Democrats of today are far more progressive than 20 years ago, because of people who understand the system and change it from the inside, like AOC/Bernie.

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        3 months ago

        with 99.9% accuracy that a fascist is elected if people vote for an alternate party

        Just straight up blatant lies here.

        There are a million other ways to protest/lobby

        I can’t think of a more powerful protest.

        like AOC/Bernie.

        I would vote for either in a heartbeat but I can’t because they won’t be on the ballot. They will step down and insist you vote for Kamala instead. And even if they were you would insist that I not vote for them anyway because it’s still “throwing away” my vote.

        When either party puts forward a candidate without immediately-disqualifying horrendous traits, I will vote for them. But that absolutely never happens. It is almost always the worst-possible candidate, without even considering their political positions. They all accept massive donations from mega-PACs and a deplorable history of selfishness and lies.