• Confused_Idol@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Irrelevant. That countries do things forcibly doesn’t mean I have to tolerate bad actions or should be quit about when they do bad or ignore bad arguments that try and justify the bad actions.

    But I’m glad we now agree the invasion had nothing to do with a nato base.

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      Last I checked, that’s not what Ukraine’s Minister of Defense claimed.

      Most people on these online platforms are American and implicitly endorse the actions taken by the US government by virtue of being American. It’s hypocritical. I did assume that you were American, but if you’re not then I apologize.

      Nobody’s trying to justify that what Russia is doing is morally right… But it is exactly what I’d expect a shit country with no sense of morals and a strong sense of “everything I do is righteous and in the name of my country and to protect my country from both real and imagined threats” like Russia or the US to do.

      It’s funny to watch Americans try and defend US actions in the context of Russian ones and then wonder why other countries don’t want to get involved with either side, which, in case you forgot, was the whole point of the original post.

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      1 year ago

      Not according to Ukraine’s Minister of Defense…

      Nice revisionist history you got there.

      Most people on these online platforms are American and implicitly endorse the actions taken by the US government by virtue of being American. It’s hypocritical. I did assume that you were American, but if you’re not then I apologize.

      Nobody’s trying to justify that what Russia is doing is morally right… But it is exactly what I’d expect a shit country with no sense of morals and a strong sense of “everything I do is righteous and in the name of my country and to protect my country from both real and imagined threats” like Russia or the US to do.

      It’s funny to watch Americans try and defend US actions in the context of Russian ones and then wonder why other countries don’t want to get involved with either side, which, in case you forgot, was the whole point of the original post.

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        1 year ago

        Revisionist history from talks about construction in 2020.

        When Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014.

        Whose history again?

        I’d love to see you quote me on when I ever said the US acted righteously. What I did say was that bad behavior by the IS is not grounds to justify bad behavior from Russia.

        And again, the comment that started this chain was definitly trying to do that.

        The rest is just white noise to try and expand the argument out of its scope.

        Also known as arguing in bad faith.

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          1 year ago

          Might want to look at the article you’re posting on for an argument in bad faith…

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            1 year ago

            Might wanna reread what I’ve said and what I’ve adressed since you know, I was responding to a comment on the article, not the article itself and this conversation has little to do with the article at all, mostly due to people like you making it about the US.

            You know, the article about EU nations asking for support for a European nation from Latin American countries……

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                  1 year ago

                  Because Latin American policy has been dictated by decades of US influence, just like how European policy has been dictated by decades of Soviet influence?

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                    1 year ago

                    From an article that neither mentions the US or does the joint statement by the Latin Americans countries mention the US.

                    So yeah, maybe go back and read the article. Bringing the US up is conjecture unsubstantiated by the article. And weren’t you big on o Lu focusing on the article just a few comments ago?

                    I get you struggle not to tie everything back in the United States but American exceptionalism is a fairly toxic idea.