• unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
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        There is no serious scientist alive today that thinks this will scale in any sort of meaningful way. For solar it was clear from the start that it was scaleable and even at small scale had an immediate practical effect. Solar would have taken over the world 20 years ago if it wasnt for the massive anti renewable lobbying by the fossil fuel industry and grid providers.

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        8 days ago

        That’s absolutely not true. My mom had solar panels put on her house more than a decade ago and there are giant wind farms all over this state that have not been put up in the last 10 years.

        Also, people argued a lot more than a decade ago that free energy machines didn’t work. And they were right. And they’re still right. Because just because someone says their technology will work doesn’t mean it ever will.

        In this case, it’s literally just an excuse to pump more oil out of the ground.

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          And it’s thanks to earlier adopters, like your mom, that helped fund the technology that we have such great green energy tech today.

          This article shows it pretty well : https://decarbonization.visualcapitalist.com/the-cheapest-sources-of-electricity-in-the-us/

          The top graph shows that wind and solar are some of the cheapest electricity options available, even compared to fossil fuels.

          On the bottom graphs shows that if wind and solar technology had stayed at 2009 levels (more than a decade ago to your point), they would be among the most expensive.

          So thank your mom for me.

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            “Most expensive” and “didn’t work” are very different, but she was far from an early adopter considering Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the White House in the 1970s and I remember some very wealthy people having them on their homes when I was a kid in the 1980s.

            Also, it saved her huge amounts on her electric bill, so I don’t know that it was the most expensive for her.

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              8 days ago

              And we will be earlier adopters than our children. Yeah that’s very cool of your mom… and Jimmy Carter :)

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        People argue that it doesn’t work today but it’s been something that we use regularly (decades for solar and LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF FUCKING YEARS FOR WIND! JESUS CHRIST, YES, REALLY! What did people think windmills and sails were?).

        This is not the same thing and unless there is a fundamental shift away from fossil fuels, powering these things will be a fool’s errand. It is, at best, a bandaid, and at worst it’s an excuse used to continue down the disastrous path we are on.