That’s a lame attempt at a cheap shot. I’m talking about how the Quran actually lays out scientific and philosophical arguments for the existence of God. You bringing up something unrelated doesn’t invalidate that. Grow up, troll.
There are no scientific arguments for the existence of god. Science requires evidence, religion requires faith. Religious people assume that scientific questions that we can’t answer are evidence of the hand of god, but they are in fact only evidence that we have more to learn about the universe.
Again, you’re talking about religion when you only mean Christianity. Islam has evidence, unlike other religions, and unlike Christianity there is no conflict between science and Islam.
You have yet to name one piece of Islam’s so-called evidence. Some of the greatest minds in history have tried and failed to prove the existence of god. I will await for you to enlighten us. By all means, please share.
Some of the greatest minds in history have proved the existence of God, but atheists immediately dismiss them because they don’t agree with the conclusion. This is an old rehashed argument, even when atheists become convinced of religion the other atheists retrospectively try to invalidate them. I could show you a long list of evidence but if you don’t have an open mind to actually read it and instead pre-dismiss me before I even post it then I’m just wasting my time. Peace.
I’m going to assume you’re online a lot and this isn’t your first message board. Let me ask you a serious question, how often have you seen someone change their mind online? How many people have changed political parties because someone on a message board reply convinced them? Or changed religious belief?
I’ve been on message boards for literally decades and seen people argue over religion since the beginning. I can’t point to many successful cases of someone changing their mind, even being generous I’d say for every 100 thoughtful posts with long citations, less than one time does someone actually digest it and change their mindset. That shows this isn’t really the forum to have it out, and I’m not going to write a long researched post just to have someone say “you’re wrong and stupid” as a reply once again.
I’m not trying to deprive you, but if you are generally asking in good faith I can point to some good books and YouTube videos or honestly the best way is in the real world; stop into any mosque and ask to speak to the imam, have him explain what Muslims do and don’t believe and WHY they believe it. The answer may surprise you.
I have seen people completely change their minds due directly to interactions in online forums, but you are correct that you will not change my mind because I can guarantee that I have heard variations of all of what you believe to be evidence as I have also been in online forums for decades and wrestled with my own faith early in life.
I get annoyed when people try to use the language of science to bolster their religious beliefs. Science requires simple, repetitive evidence and religion cannot provide that. If it could, we would not be having this discussion as I would share your beliefs.
Your faith should stand alone. It doesn’t need scientific validation.
Some religions can provide evidence, as I said above. My faith stands alone but it also has evidence to support itself. Your claim that we’d all have the same beliefs if there was evidence is false, because have you ever met human beings before? We can’t even agree on climate change despite overwhelming evidence, let alone the rest. God even says in the Quran that He could make things appear in the sky and it still wouldn’t convince everyone.
At least you admitted you aren’t willing to engage in good faith discussion, so it’s not worth continuing. Peace.
That’s a lame attempt at a cheap shot. I’m talking about how the Quran actually lays out scientific and philosophical arguments for the existence of God. You bringing up something unrelated doesn’t invalidate that. Grow up, troll.
By 'lays out" you mean “kinda close if you squint”.
There are no scientific arguments for the existence of god. Science requires evidence, religion requires faith. Religious people assume that scientific questions that we can’t answer are evidence of the hand of god, but they are in fact only evidence that we have more to learn about the universe.
Again, you’re talking about religion when you only mean Christianity. Islam has evidence, unlike other religions, and unlike Christianity there is no conflict between science and Islam.
You have yet to name one piece of Islam’s so-called evidence. Some of the greatest minds in history have tried and failed to prove the existence of god. I will await for you to enlighten us. By all means, please share.
Some of the greatest minds in history have proved the existence of God, but atheists immediately dismiss them because they don’t agree with the conclusion. This is an old rehashed argument, even when atheists become convinced of religion the other atheists retrospectively try to invalidate them. I could show you a long list of evidence but if you don’t have an open mind to actually read it and instead pre-dismiss me before I even post it then I’m just wasting my time. Peace.
You’re telling me you have incontrovertible evidence of god’s existence and won’t share it because you assume I will reject it. That’s fucking lazy
I’m going to assume you’re online a lot and this isn’t your first message board. Let me ask you a serious question, how often have you seen someone change their mind online? How many people have changed political parties because someone on a message board reply convinced them? Or changed religious belief?
I’ve been on message boards for literally decades and seen people argue over religion since the beginning. I can’t point to many successful cases of someone changing their mind, even being generous I’d say for every 100 thoughtful posts with long citations, less than one time does someone actually digest it and change their mindset. That shows this isn’t really the forum to have it out, and I’m not going to write a long researched post just to have someone say “you’re wrong and stupid” as a reply once again.
I’m not trying to deprive you, but if you are generally asking in good faith I can point to some good books and YouTube videos or honestly the best way is in the real world; stop into any mosque and ask to speak to the imam, have him explain what Muslims do and don’t believe and WHY they believe it. The answer may surprise you.
I have seen people completely change their minds due directly to interactions in online forums, but you are correct that you will not change my mind because I can guarantee that I have heard variations of all of what you believe to be evidence as I have also been in online forums for decades and wrestled with my own faith early in life.
I get annoyed when people try to use the language of science to bolster their religious beliefs. Science requires simple, repetitive evidence and religion cannot provide that. If it could, we would not be having this discussion as I would share your beliefs.
Your faith should stand alone. It doesn’t need scientific validation.
Some religions can provide evidence, as I said above. My faith stands alone but it also has evidence to support itself. Your claim that we’d all have the same beliefs if there was evidence is false, because have you ever met human beings before? We can’t even agree on climate change despite overwhelming evidence, let alone the rest. God even says in the Quran that He could make things appear in the sky and it still wouldn’t convince everyone.
At least you admitted you aren’t willing to engage in good faith discussion, so it’s not worth continuing. Peace.