One of the admins at lemmy.blahaj.zone asked us to purge a community and all of its users because they thought it was full of child sexual abuse material, aka CSAM, fka kiddy porn. We assured them that we had checked this comm thoroughly and we were satisfied that all of the models on it were of age. The admin then demanded we purge the comm because they mistook it for CSAM, and claimed that the entire point of the community was to make people think it was CSAM. We vehemently disagreed that that was in fact the point of the community, but they decided to defederate from us anyway. That is of course their choice, but we will not purge our communities or users because someone else makes a mistake of fact, and then lays the responsibility for their mistake at our feet. If someone made a community intended to fool people into thinking it was kiddy porn, that would be a real problem. If someone of age goes online and pretends – not roleplays, but pretends with intent to deceive – to be a child and makes porn, that is a real problem. Nobody here is doing that. One of the reasons we run our instance the way that we do is that we want it to be inclusive. We don’t body shame, and we believe that all adults have a right to sexual expression. That means no adult on our instance is too thin, fat, bald, masculine, old, young, cis, gay, etc., to be sexy, and that includes adults that look younger than some people think they should. Everyone has a right to lust and to be lusted after. There’s no way to draw a line that says “you can’t like adult people that look like X” without crossing a line that we will not cross.
  • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    1612·
    1 year ago

    Honestly feels like there are just a ton of anti-lgbt people jumping at the chance to hate on ada, this is quite a non-issue.

    If people want to see and interact with porn then they can simply make an account on a porn server, that’s a good idea even regardless of all this.

    I don’t understand the insistence that porn instances have to be federated with everyone else, it’s equally as strange as pornhub having a “share to facebook” button.

    • faintedheart@lemmy.worldEnglish
      76·
      1 year ago

      When using reddit we can access everything under one account. That is the point. If each instance need each account then there is no use. I should be able to open one account and access everything. If people are segregated into multiple instance and no connection between them then there is no use. Yeah if they are allowing posting of csam content etc then fine defederation is necessary.

      • OneCardboardBox@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        111·
        1 year ago

        I should be able to open one account and access everything.

        This seems like a misunderstanding of how Fediverse works. It’s about voluntary association between instance owners. If you don’t like the decisions made by your instance owner, then the point of Fediverse is that you can either find an instance that thinks like you do, or make your own. It’s not about forcing owners to associate with other instances they dislike, even if you disagree with the reasoning.

        There’s a bit of downside in that Lemmy doesn’t let you migrate accounts at this time, but it’s basically brand-new open source software. Whether you meant to or not, you signed up to be a user for an incomplete experience.

      • kukkurovaca@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        83·
        1 year ago

        Welcome to the fediverse! Instance admins are under obligation to federate with every other instance possible, and are also under no obligation to do everything in their power to recapture the reddit experience.

    • KairuByte@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      1 year ago

      I feel the need to point out, there is porn on both instances. Just more on lemmynsfw.

    • AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      243·
      1 year ago

      The blahaj admin fucked up, and rather than admitting they fucked up, they decided to drag the issue into the public sphere and infer the other instance supports CSAM. And don’t give me any bullshit about how that’s not really what they are doing, because that’s exactly how they worded their post. I’m guessing they did it because they wanted to create drama and play the victim, but whatever the reason, everyone else has every right to criticize them for their actions. What they did was pretty fucking shitty, and they should be ashamed of themselves.

    • Zak@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      1 year ago

      I don’t understand the insistence that porn instances have to be federated with everyone else

      Most people don’t seem to be saying this. In fact, blahaj.zone does not seem to have a policy of defederating from porn instances in general.

      Of course anyone running an instance can choose not to federate with any server for any reason, though most users might want to avoid instances that are inconsistent or unpredictable about it. The main issue here seems to be an accusation that lemmynsfw.com tolerates CSAM, or things meant to give the impression of being CSAM. That’s a serious accusation, which its admins deny.