• Francisco@lemmy.world
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    The Hexbear thread on federation: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770 – read it yourself.

    To me it reads like a plan to increase their reach with preventive instructions on how to avoid being ‘influenced’ by outsiders’ opinions.

    My guesstimation is that it is a disinformation machine based on useful idiots.

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      Hexbear has existed on lemmy for 3 years. It’s just a socialist instance, originally it was /r/chapotraphouse on reddit until Spez banned it for its userbase saying things like “slaveowners should be killed” (because he is a prepper who has said he will own slaves after the collapse).

      Chapotraphouse is a socialist podcast, it was also the #1 highest donated thing on Patreon for a good while. These days it’s #2.

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        From reading that thread it is not just a socialist instance.

        They are instructing their members on how to relate to others, how to react to outsiders comments in their communities, and how to protect themselves from outsiders opinions. To me that sounds like cult level brainwashing techniques.

        Another word that comes to mind is brigading.

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              You can see in the comments people are disagreeing with aspects of that statement and whether or not it is useful at all. People discussing a complex geopolitical situation isn’t brainwashing. Just because you don’t agree with them doesn’t mean they are mindless brainwashed bots

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                Please,

                discussing a complex geopolitical situation

                Is not

                telling their users to be nice to others and not break the rules of other instances

                You are not being consistent.

                Also, an admin detailing how to think about a complex geopolitical situation is not discussing.

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                  Bruh, that’s not a “this is how you should think” statement to their users. It was directed towards people from outside hexbear wandering in. Also, you can literally see people discussing the contents of the Russia Ukraine statement in the comments.

                  The primary purpose of the whole post though was to direct hexbear users to the rules of other instances so they would be nice.

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          No they’re not lmao.

          It’s literally just “be nice to people when visiting other instances, don’t behave like a dirtbag leftist unless you’re actually on Hexbear”. Because the culture of Hexbear is… Dirtbag left. Making sure that the userbase doesn’t behave that way off Hexbear is pretty important. Hexbear users are lovely most of the time but get vicious with each other and are prone to extremely hostile fighting over topics they disagree on, this would be a massive shock to most normal people off-Hexbear. They’re just trying to mitigate that.

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            It’s literally just “be nice to people when visiting other instances, don’t behave like a dirtbag leftist unless you’re actually on Hexbear”.

            Doing this will cause people to think that folks on Hexbear aren’t evil tankies. And that’s exactly how they get you. They act like normal, rational, mature adults with generally friendly fun-loving attitudes and… that’s fucking it, man. Game over. The Putinistas will have won.

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                Too late, I’m putting that in my back pocket to disseminate at the monthly gathering.

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              Chapo Traphouse listeners aren’t tankies. Sure, Lemmygrad users are. But we’re fans of Bernie Sanders and not fans of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc. I considered creating an account there when I learned that it was full of former r/chapotraphouse users, but opted for my nerdy side when choosing my instance as that’s been a part of me longer than my political side.

              Edit to add that hexbear appears to be offline so I can’t access the above link for context. If something is published there that goes against my post, it’s because I couldn’t verify what that link contained.

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            Thanks for offering your perspective. Maybe I’m too cynical. Or maybe I’m reading to much into the Russia-Ukraine-Nato thing.

            In any case, at current information, I can both accept the defederation, or just teaching people that they can choose and block specific users and communities.

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          Hexbear? Yes after the ban a lifeboat discord was set up, then a week or so later the site Chapo.Chat was born after rushed dev work. It later rebranded to Hexbear because various socialist groups didn’t want to work with a site associated with the chapo podcast for a variety of minor mostly unimportant reasons, things like believing they’re grifters just seeking money or w/e.

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          These days I’m not sure how much they’ve dropped off in popularity or not. A lot of people recommend /r/TrueAnon or /r/TheDeprogram, I hear CitationsNeeded mentioned quite often as well. If you’re looking for more leftist pods with varying styles/seriousness. Pretty much all of them crossover with Hexbear and the former userbase of the CTH sub.

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        Who the hell wants to own, manage and be responsible for a human? Hell I can barely manage looking after a cat!

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        Thanks for the answer but I can only understand your first sentence. After that I have no clue about what you mean .

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          They use “woke” unironically, so it’s not like they had anything meaningful to say in the first place.

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      I’ve read this post and all the comments. It is clear their intention is too cause as much trouble as possible for other instances. What purpose does it serve to let them do it until everyone gets tired of it and then defederate? Might as well get ahead of it and never start.