I hear there’s a lot of sex abuse in schools too. Do you think no one should go to public school or do you want to think about how logical your generalization is?
Any organization that congregates children together will attract predators, to think otherwise is naive. The solution isn’t to never let children do anything though.
As an Eagle Scout, the troop I was a part of took protocol very seriously when it came to adult-child interactions.
Unlike the Catholic Church they don’t shuffle around offenders because they aren’t that monolithic of an organization. Thus I find your depiction to by myopic, cripplingly cynical, and deceptively sensationalized.
whataboutism is not the answer to “Even though they (Boy Scouts) are involved in the largest sexual abuse scandals in US history? Why?”
Given the reports, the troop you went to sounds like an exception. But since you didn’t face sexual abuse, others should risk it, eh?
Unlike the Catholic Church they don’t shuffle around offenders because they aren’t that monolithic of an organization. Thus I find your depiction to by myopic, cripplingly cynical, and deceptively sensationalized.
Why are you championing sending children to an org against whom a judge approved a $2.46 Billion sex abuse settlement and which by all reports has an unresolved large scale sexual abuse problem?
As an Eagle scout, do you not want children to be safe? do you not want the sexual abuse investigated so the truth can be broughtto light? Do you not realise that rugsweeping these crimes will enable & empowwr abusers ?
82,000 former scouts filed sexual abuse claims against Boy Scouts of America in 2020. So my answer’s ‘Yes, quite likely, We wont know the extent for sure till the org is investigated by Congress and states’. https://time.com/6188750/leave-no-trace-true-story-hulu/
It’s not whataboutism. I’m taking issue with the logic you use and pointing out that extending the logic means you should feel similarly about public education. The entire argument is a fallacy so I was hoping that by showing your logic through another lens you’d see how ridiculous it is.
Are you so bad at reading comprehension that you thought I supported the logic towards school?
do you not want children to be safe? do you not want the sexual abuse investigated so the truth can be broughtto light? Do you not realise that rugsweeping these crimes will enable & empowwr abusers ?
Fuck you for putting such disgusting words in my mouth you bad faith creep. Pointing out your logical fallacy doesn’t mean I disagree with the prosecution, that’s your own cowardly attempt to avoid my actual point.
Your "I hear there’s a lot of sex abuse in schools too. " is pure whatabutism, and you’rejust trying to hide it.
Are you so bad at reading comprehension that you thought I supported the logic towards school?
“I hear there’s a lot of sex abuse in schools too. Do you think no one should go to public school or do you want to think about how logical your generalization is” are your words, that you are trying to backpedal away from because your support for an org rife with sexual abuse got called out.
I’m not backpedaling from anything you fucking idiot. Claiming public schools should be avoided due to sex abuse cases is just as fallacious as implying the same about Boy Scouts. Which is my point, you’re making a fallacious argument and instead of admitting that you’re talking out of your ass you keep insisting that you were right about the thoughts in my own mind.
You’re so in your own head that you literally can’t fathom my position. So brain dead that your only response is to paint me as an evil person because others you’d have to realize how vapid you are as a person.
Thanks for confirming that you’re not stupid, just so up your own ass that you insist upon my position after I’ve explained to you what I mean.
You haven’t called out shit. Just threw some disgusting accusations my way when I’ve already explained my position to not involve that shit.
You’re a close minded, cynical, and despicable person that thinks avoiding generalizations means you oppose legal action against crimes. Fuck you you empty headed clown.
Every victim that receives justice is a victory. Don’t ever accuse me of thinking otherwise you pathetic troll.
I see that I’ve explained my position too thoroughly for you to come up new talking points. Maybe at some point you’ll pull your head out of your ass and realize how ridiculous you come across. I won’t hold my breath though. It’s clear that you’d rather feel like you’ve won an argument than actually think about the words you’re lobbing around.
It’s pretty frustrating too because you’re applying your bullish and empty headed reactionary attitude toward a genuinely good cause. Hopefully you get some self awareness later in your life.
Are you aware of what you supported in your comment https://kbin.social/m/world@lemmy.world/t/410711/He-survived-sexual-abuse-in-the-Boy-Scouts-of-America#entry-comment-2038062 ?
Why would you engage in whataboutery and try to minimise the sexual abuse happening in Boy Scouts when 82,000 former scouts have come forward with sexual abuse claims, when BSA has had to pay $2.4Billion in sex abuse settlements, when Boy Scouts in UK have paid Millions of Pounds in sex abuse settlements, when investigative reports say there’s a huge problem of sexual predators in Boy Scouts?
You equated all of that to the school system just to be dramatic and to cause a scene. Had you linked data/ reports to support your equating the abuse in Boy Scouts to abuse that happens in the school system, then we could’ve had a healthy discussion.
But a healthy discussion wasn’t your objective, your objective was to disrupt the discussion. So you made the thread all about your hurt feelings and tantrumed using abusive language… You came in here and now the thread is full of your enabling b…s. and name-calling. Just read your own nasty comments, before preaching self-awareness.
I didn’t minimize either. You thinking that shows how incapable of critical thinking you are. I’ve explained it many times and you keep ignoring what I say to continue your lie.
You just can’t help lying and trolling to win an argument that was never made. It’s sad and pathetic.
Where are the reports and studies of vast amounts of sexual predators in schools? Do you have sources with an equivalent number of sexual predators reported in schools as that of the scouts? If they are comparable, what’s the numbers?
The point is that the stats are being used to create imperfect generalizations. The stats I’ve shared don’t condemn the idea of public school anymore than theirs discredits Boy Scouts as a whole.
With how hard conservatives have been using this strawman to defend the Catholic Church of course the data is out there. You very clearly are too lazy to enter a basic query on Google to find out
I hear there’s a lot of sex abuse in schools too. Do you think no one should go to public school or do you want to think about how logical your generalization is?
Any organization that congregates children together will attract predators, to think otherwise is naive. The solution isn’t to never let children do anything though.
As an Eagle Scout, the troop I was a part of took protocol very seriously when it came to adult-child interactions.
Unlike the Catholic Church they don’t shuffle around offenders because they aren’t that monolithic of an organization. Thus I find your depiction to by myopic, cripplingly cynical, and deceptively sensationalized.
whataboutism is not the answer to “Even though they (Boy Scouts) are involved in the largest sexual abuse scandals in US history? Why?”
Given the reports, the troop you went to sounds like an exception. But since you didn’t face sexual abuse, others should risk it, eh?
Why are you championing sending children to an org against whom a judge approved a $2.46 Billion sex abuse settlement and which by all reports has an unresolved large scale sexual abuse problem?
As an Eagle scout, do you not want children to be safe? do you not want the sexual abuse investigated so the truth can be broughtto light? Do you not realise that rugsweeping these crimes will enable & empowwr abusers ?
So it’s your estimation that the overwhelming majority of Boy Scout troops in America are hiding sexual predators?
82,000 former scouts filed sexual abuse claims against Boy Scouts of America in 2020. So my answer’s ‘Yes, quite likely, We wont know the extent for sure till the org is investigated by Congress and states’.
https://time.com/6188750/leave-no-trace-true-story-hulu/
NPR called the Boy Scouts a magnet for sexual predators in ‘Magnet For Sexual Predators: The Boy Scouts Face Allegations Of Sexual Assault’ - https://www.npr.org/2020/11/13/934718112/magnet-for-sexual-predators-the-boy-scouts-face-allegations-of-sexual-assault.
It’s not whataboutism. I’m taking issue with the logic you use and pointing out that extending the logic means you should feel similarly about public education. The entire argument is a fallacy so I was hoping that by showing your logic through another lens you’d see how ridiculous it is.
Are you so bad at reading comprehension that you thought I supported the logic towards school?
Fuck you for putting such disgusting words in my mouth you bad faith creep. Pointing out your logical fallacy doesn’t mean I disagree with the prosecution, that’s your own cowardly attempt to avoid my actual point.
Absolutely despicable.
Your "I hear there’s a lot of sex abuse in schools too. " is pure whatabutism, and you’rejust trying to hide it.
“I hear there’s a lot of sex abuse in schools too. Do you think no one should go to public school or do you want to think about how logical your generalization is” are your words, that you are trying to backpedal away from because your support for an org rife with sexual abuse got called out.
Of course, you think being called out is despicable, but not everyone is willing to be an enabler like you and support an org. called ‘magnet for sexual predators’ .
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/13/934718112/magnet-for-sexual-predators-the-boy-scouts-face-allegations-of-sexual-assault
I won’t ask ‘What’s wrong with you?’ because you should be asking that of yourself.
I’m not backpedaling from anything you fucking idiot. Claiming public schools should be avoided due to sex abuse cases is just as fallacious as implying the same about Boy Scouts. Which is my point, you’re making a fallacious argument and instead of admitting that you’re talking out of your ass you keep insisting that you were right about the thoughts in my own mind.
You’re so in your own head that you literally can’t fathom my position. So brain dead that your only response is to paint me as an evil person because others you’d have to realize how vapid you are as a person.
Thanks for confirming that you’re not stupid, just so up your own ass that you insist upon my position after I’ve explained to you what I mean.
You haven’t called out shit. Just threw some disgusting accusations my way when I’ve already explained my position to not involve that shit.
You’re a close minded, cynical, and despicable person that thinks avoiding generalizations means you oppose legal action against crimes. Fuck you you empty headed clown.
Every victim that receives justice is a victory. Don’t ever accuse me of thinking otherwise you pathetic troll.
Oh, look! An enabler is upset at being called an enabler. Anyways…
I see that I’ve explained my position too thoroughly for you to come up new talking points. Maybe at some point you’ll pull your head out of your ass and realize how ridiculous you come across. I won’t hold my breath though. It’s clear that you’d rather feel like you’ve won an argument than actually think about the words you’re lobbing around.
It’s pretty frustrating too because you’re applying your bullish and empty headed reactionary attitude toward a genuinely good cause. Hopefully you get some self awareness later in your life.
Goodbye troll.
Are you aware of what you supported in your comment
https://kbin.social/m/world@lemmy.world/t/410711/He-survived-sexual-abuse-in-the-Boy-Scouts-of-America#entry-comment-2038062 ?
Why would you engage in whataboutery and try to minimise the sexual abuse happening in Boy Scouts when 82,000 former scouts have come forward with sexual abuse claims, when BSA has had to pay $2.4Billion in sex abuse settlements, when Boy Scouts in UK have paid Millions of Pounds in sex abuse settlements, when investigative reports say there’s a huge problem of sexual predators in Boy Scouts?
You equated all of that to the school system just to be dramatic and to cause a scene. Had you linked data/ reports to support your equating the abuse in Boy Scouts to abuse that happens in the school system, then we could’ve had a healthy discussion.
But a healthy discussion wasn’t your objective, your objective was to disrupt the discussion. So you made the thread all about your hurt feelings and tantrumed using abusive language… You came in here and now the thread is full of your enabling b…s. and name-calling. Just read your own nasty comments, before preaching self-awareness.
I didn’t minimize either. You thinking that shows how incapable of critical thinking you are. I’ve explained it many times and you keep ignoring what I say to continue your lie.
You just can’t help lying and trolling to win an argument that was never made. It’s sad and pathetic.
Where are the reports and studies of vast amounts of sexual predators in schools? Do you have sources with an equivalent number of sexual predators reported in schools as that of the scouts? If they are comparable, what’s the numbers?
Here’s 14000 incidents in one year. https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/sexual-violence-schools#:~:text=According%20to%20recently%20released%20data,representing%20a%2055%20percent%20increase.
The point is that the stats are being used to create imperfect generalizations. The stats I’ve shared don’t condemn the idea of public school anymore than theirs discredits Boy Scouts as a whole.
With how hard conservatives have been using this strawman to defend the Catholic Church of course the data is out there. You very clearly are too lazy to enter a basic query on Google to find out