Trump speaks not just for himself. A substantial section of the ruling class is convinced that it confronts a massive social movement of workers that poses the greatest danger to its wealth and privileges.
Voting for them for who they are not, while ignoring the fact that they don’t fight back in any meaningful way, is doing your part to enable the ratchet effect.
I don’t care what the right wing does. I care what’s right. I’m not voting for anyone whose campaign donors profit from overseas murder, just because they’re not vitriolic about trans people at home.
I’m not the one telling people how to vote though. You’re the one doing that, and you’re doing it in a very Jill Stein 2016 sort of way. And on a brand new account, which has only replied to my comments. Forgive me but you’re giving off some very strong vibes at the moment and they are not good.
Anyway, you can vote for whoever you want, I don’t really care. I’m just not gonna sit here and let you use my comments to spread this “both sides are the same, vote third party” nonsense. Not on my fucking watch, friendo.
People aren’t allowed to have opinions on new accounts? On a website seeing a massive influx of new accounts? Am I going to be a Russian bot next? My other account is @NMSGalacticHub@lemmy.world , but that’s an account for a video game group I run, so I don’t feel using it for my personal politics is appropriate.
I’ve already very clearly articulated the many ways in which they are the same, friendo. If you’re comfortable voting for tangible murder overseas and by US police in the name of preempting persecution of a specific population, that’s your prerogative. But similarly, don’t expect me to tolerate your “Democrats aren’t taking away our rights” nonsense when I’ve provided multiple verifiable examples of them doing exactly that. Just not the rights you’re currently worried about.
Yeah I didn’t say any of that. I said an account that’s one hour old and has only responded to my comments essentially using a common right wing tactic from 2016 is pretty suspicious. The fact that you have another account is completely irrelevant. It’s registering a new account to say this specific thing that’s suspicious.
Anyway, you’re trying to twist my position/words and I don’t appreciate that. I very specifically said “our rights” as in, the rights of trans and gay people. I never said they weren’t harming other populations, in fact, they are harming other groups that I also happen to belong to (I’m Latino, for one thing) or am closely related to (Jewish family, black and brown relatives and friends, disabled husband). Don’t talk to me about police brutality. You don’t know what I’ve been through.
And besides all that, if your third party candidate won, we’d still have congress which would most definitely lean either D or R, and the Supreme Court with its lifetime appointments. There’s a less than zero chance that a third party could win the presidency and the House and Senate. So we’d end up with a president that can’t do shit to help anybody anyway.
You say I’m only worried about my own rights to the detriment of others. Okay. What exactly do you think you’re doing? You’re also choosing a particular set of rights to the detriment of others. When you vote third party, you make it more likely that a Republican will win, and a lot of people will get hurt if that happens.
If you’re comfortable with that, that’s your prerogative. But don’t expect me to tolerate your performative kindness, friendo. If you really gave a shit about helping people, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Edit: you just declared that this conversation was over because I didn’t reply within a couple of hours, lmao. People have lives, buddy. I have other things to do.
Also, again and for the last time: I never said I liked Biden or any democrats, or that they were good people. Jesus Christ. Stop wasting my time.
No, it’s not suspicious to make a new account and then use it. Especially when there are many new accounts being made on the website. Attack the merits of the conversation, don’t default to this lame routine of “you are doing something which I have decided resembles the actions of a widely disliked group despite you having very clearly different values from that group”.
Your exact quote was “I vote for democrats because they’re not actively working to take my rights away”. You have rights besides the right to express your gender identity as you please. Those other rights, as I have very clearly expressed, have been and still are being taken away by Democrats. I don’t need to know what you’ve been through to talk to you about the reality of police brutality in the world and the way which Democrats enable it.
Yes, the progress towards a third party would not be instantaneous. So we shouldn’t bother starting anywhere, and should just concede defeat to the oligarchs who demonstrably own both parties?
What I’m doing is deciding that I’m not willing to endorse, by vote, continued murder both overseas and at home in the name of possibly preempting further persecution of a marginalized group. I believe the greatest “net good” for humanity should be the priority (second only to the preservation of nature), not a localized “net good” for communities I identify with or for my nation.
It’s not performative lol, you don’t even know who I am, what could I possibly have to prove here? Don’t assume to be able to ascribe motives to me, and don’t tell me I don’t care about helping people just because I’ve decided bullets and bombs and for-profit murder are the more urgent evil than laws and vitriol and bigotry.
Voting for them for who they are not, while ignoring the fact that they don’t fight back in any meaningful way, is doing your part to enable the ratchet effect.
I don’t care what the right wing does. I care what’s right. I’m not voting for anyone whose campaign donors profit from overseas murder, just because they’re not vitriolic about trans people at home.
I’m not the one telling people how to vote though. You’re the one doing that, and you’re doing it in a very Jill Stein 2016 sort of way. And on a brand new account, which has only replied to my comments. Forgive me but you’re giving off some very strong vibes at the moment and they are not good.
Anyway, you can vote for whoever you want, I don’t really care. I’m just not gonna sit here and let you use my comments to spread this “both sides are the same, vote third party” nonsense. Not on my fucking watch, friendo.
People aren’t allowed to have opinions on new accounts? On a website seeing a massive influx of new accounts? Am I going to be a Russian bot next? My other account is @NMSGalacticHub@lemmy.world , but that’s an account for a video game group I run, so I don’t feel using it for my personal politics is appropriate.
I’ve already very clearly articulated the many ways in which they are the same, friendo. If you’re comfortable voting for tangible murder overseas and by US police in the name of preempting persecution of a specific population, that’s your prerogative. But similarly, don’t expect me to tolerate your “Democrats aren’t taking away our rights” nonsense when I’ve provided multiple verifiable examples of them doing exactly that. Just not the rights you’re currently worried about.
Edit: I guess this conversation is over, so I’ll end it with a picture of Biden holding hands with an actual Italian fascist PM
Yeah I didn’t say any of that. I said an account that’s one hour old and has only responded to my comments essentially using a common right wing tactic from 2016 is pretty suspicious. The fact that you have another account is completely irrelevant. It’s registering a new account to say this specific thing that’s suspicious.
Anyway, you’re trying to twist my position/words and I don’t appreciate that. I very specifically said “our rights” as in, the rights of trans and gay people. I never said they weren’t harming other populations, in fact, they are harming other groups that I also happen to belong to (I’m Latino, for one thing) or am closely related to (Jewish family, black and brown relatives and friends, disabled husband). Don’t talk to me about police brutality. You don’t know what I’ve been through.
And besides all that, if your third party candidate won, we’d still have congress which would most definitely lean either D or R, and the Supreme Court with its lifetime appointments. There’s a less than zero chance that a third party could win the presidency and the House and Senate. So we’d end up with a president that can’t do shit to help anybody anyway.
You say I’m only worried about my own rights to the detriment of others. Okay. What exactly do you think you’re doing? You’re also choosing a particular set of rights to the detriment of others. When you vote third party, you make it more likely that a Republican will win, and a lot of people will get hurt if that happens.
If you’re comfortable with that, that’s your prerogative. But don’t expect me to tolerate your performative kindness, friendo. If you really gave a shit about helping people, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Edit: you just declared that this conversation was over because I didn’t reply within a couple of hours, lmao. People have lives, buddy. I have other things to do.
Also, again and for the last time: I never said I liked Biden or any democrats, or that they were good people. Jesus Christ. Stop wasting my time.
Edit 2: i spel gud & gramar are my pasion
No, it’s not suspicious to make a new account and then use it. Especially when there are many new accounts being made on the website. Attack the merits of the conversation, don’t default to this lame routine of “you are doing something which I have decided resembles the actions of a widely disliked group despite you having very clearly different values from that group”.
Your exact quote was “I vote for democrats because they’re not actively working to take my rights away”. You have rights besides the right to express your gender identity as you please. Those other rights, as I have very clearly expressed, have been and still are being taken away by Democrats. I don’t need to know what you’ve been through to talk to you about the reality of police brutality in the world and the way which Democrats enable it.
Yes, the progress towards a third party would not be instantaneous. So we shouldn’t bother starting anywhere, and should just concede defeat to the oligarchs who demonstrably own both parties?
What I’m doing is deciding that I’m not willing to endorse, by vote, continued murder both overseas and at home in the name of possibly preempting further persecution of a marginalized group. I believe the greatest “net good” for humanity should be the priority (second only to the preservation of nature), not a localized “net good” for communities I identify with or for my nation.
It’s not performative lol, you don’t even know who I am, what could I possibly have to prove here? Don’t assume to be able to ascribe motives to me, and don’t tell me I don’t care about helping people just because I’ve decided bullets and bombs and for-profit murder are the more urgent evil than laws and vitriol and bigotry.