WYSK: There funded by dark money PACS, but some good reporting has brought out these names: David Koch, Peter Thiel, Reid Hoffman, Mark Cuban, Harlan Crow, and Michael Bloomberg. Some of there members are most famous for stopping big bills. Joe Leiberman, for example, single handedly stopped the single payer portion of the ACA. Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsen Simena kept the John Lewis voting rights act from passing, and famously kept the senate from repealing the filibuster.
ultimately I will be voting for the best candidate, regardless of party. My litmus is ubi. no ubi, no vote. if the “spoiler candidate” is the only one supporting and pushing ubi, then I will vote for them. If you don’t like that, then endorse ubi and I might vote for you instead.
Issue is that once they realize UBI is what needed to the votes, they will promise it and not delivery like with everything else since FDR.
Political process is a waste of time. Vote with your money and feet. It has more impact.
We need ability to give no confidence vote, I guess voting third party would work like that
Yup. I actually went ahead and look at “no labels”'s website and… I like the spirit, but their language use and lack of policy is concerning. It seems their focus is more about unity between democrats and republicans by “compromising with moderate policy” and opposing “far left and far right” however what I found is almost the exact opposite of that. People are tired of democrats and republicans being essentially a uniparty and not doing literally anything to accommodate the demands of those who are considered “fringe” yet are the majority.
Instead of a “sensible middle milquetoast candidate” what we need is someone who will openly accept and endorse the key points from the left and the right. The left want economic justice, sane urban planning, fixing out of control capitalism. The right want a return to sanity in social policy, culture, and proper national identity. These are not incompatible views! I keep seeing “far left” and “far right” people actually end up agreeing on both the problems in society, as well as the fixes. It’s the hysteric “centrists” of democrats and republicans who seemingly work to push the corporate interests, but nothing the actual public wants/needs.
Left and right are both unified on ukraine: we don’t want war. left and right are both unified on supporting mom&pops and removing support for large corporations. we want fair marketplaces with local businesses. Left and right are both unified on policing: we’re tired of corrupt police who do literally nothing to keep society proper and instead just harass people. Both left and right are unified on elections, we see that the 2 party system is broken and that 3rd parties and alternative structures are needed.
The democrats and republicans are opposed to literally all of these.
While it’s true things are polarized, most of the “never working with you” types end up being the centrist establishment of dnc/gop, while the far fringes have started mobilizing into a populist unity.
My hope is that these ‘no labels’ guys can see this, and run a candidate that marries the two in a populist bid. But what it sounds like is that they plan to run a candidate who’s essentially the middle of trump and biden; the worst of both.
I guess we’ll have to see when they release their policy positions?
I would dispute this, especially on which parts of the left have positions on Ukraine, but I have zero appetite to go into in the hour that I’m posting this other than to say: the people who do not want war in Ukraine would like to see Ukraine be taken over by Russia because of anti-Americanism as a political base, and because they support fascist, imperial regimes (respectively to both sides). Neither should be catered to politically.
The far left that I see and chat with are all 100% against the ukraine/russia war and think america shouldn’t be involved. It’s a pretty strong consensus there.
That’s an odd remark. I rarely see anyone in my circles (far left + far right) expressing pro-Russia support. But there’s pretty strong consensus that America shouldn’t be involved in it, nor in other overseas wars (middle east and such). The “peace” and “anti-war” stance is pretty popular among the left consistently, and RW do tend to support it in most cases (RW I see want to pull out of russia/ukraine, and israel/palestine, I’ve seen mixed response on other middle east conflicts). Most I see also have worries that USA will needlessly engage in war with china in the near future and wish to avoid that as well.
Most of the pro-war people tend to be democrat/republican loyalists who have more establishment views (progressive+capitalist).